what will happen to broadband if they seize p2p

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Hi Guys,

I was just thinking about this earlier today. As the crackdown continues
with P2P users getting sued, people will begin to cancel out their DSL/Cable
accounts because they will see no need for it (I know for sure I would
cancel mine). So my question is, would these big broadband companies start
stepping in with their subscribers to fight those who want to stop P2P?
What are your opinions on this subject?
 
Steve Reinis put me in my place by writing
I sure wouldn't cancel broadband just because some firm started
cracking down on downloading pirated music. Broadband has a heck of a
lot more uses than just downloading one file type at high speed. I
love browsing at high speed. I love downloading OS and software
patches and upgrades in minutes instead of hours. I love watching
streaming news/video and listening to streaming radio stations. I
love downloading the high-res files @ alt.binaries.pictures.autos at
high speed.

You area really dense if you cancel broadband just because you can't
download free music anymore.
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Totally agree with you, but you would be surprised at how many will cancel
their broadband over this. I deal with the broadband connections out here,
and I have already had dozens telling me that they will be cutting it off
due to this, even though Canada has not entered the P2P war YET (give it a
few months). People don't get it... P2P gained its noteriety because of
broadband, not the other way around. A quick free music fix is all alot of
people see. They don't realize how much more useful it is until they have
to download a driver or two, or a service pack on dial up.
 
Steve said:
I sure wouldn't cancel broadband just because some firm started cracking
down on downloading pirated music. Broadband has a heck of a lot more
uses
than just downloading one file type at high speed. I love browsing at
high
speed. I love downloading OS and software patches and upgrades in minutes
instead of hours.
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Yep. And being a linux user it's great to be able to download gig's of
"latest releases" in hours instead of days...
 
Oh yes - I have seven CDs sitting here that contain SuSe 8.1 Professional
that I purchased online and downloaded.

I'd never be able to do that on dial-up!
 
I can't imagine people would go back to dial-up over this. Wait until they
start browsing the web and have a four second wait for the domain to be
resolved, then 30-40 seconds for the page to load. Minutes if the page
contains Flash or fancy HTML markup. Browsing just plain sucks on dial-up
once you've experienced the broadband. Wait until they get a 4 MB
attachment in email and it takes 45 minutes to download mail... Wait until
they have to wait 15 seconds for a dial-up connect to connect just to do a
quick something online. They'll go back to broadband!! lol

I'm stuck on dial-up at home, never had the luxury of broadband at home, but
work has DSL and so I'm quite aware how painful dial-up becomes even for
simple tasks once you've had broadband.

I didn't want to get into an argument, so I bit my tongue... But it's the
people that abuse broadband by non-stop downloading of music that have
caused all of this grief. I have a collection of "illegal music" myself.
Much of it was downloaded over dial-up, one song here and there at a time.
So broadband isn't to blame. I still buy CDs, but I wouldn't hesitate to
download rare or hard to find songs. I also convert most of my CDs into
MPEG so I can play them in the car or portable MP3 deck, but I do NOT make
my collection available to the public. Some people have no self control
anymore and don't take things in moderation, so they screw it up for the
rest of us.

Ah well...
 
Hi Guys,

I was just thinking about this earlier today. As the crackdown continues
with P2P users getting sued, people will begin to cancel out their DSL/Cable
accounts because they will see no need for it (I know for sure I would
cancel mine). So my question is, would these big broadband companies start
stepping in with their subscribers to fight those who want to stop P2P?
What are your opinions on this subject?
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I doubt they'll do any fighting, in general they seem to want do as
little effort as possible beyond maintaining their network, and
perhaps that's the way it should be. They aren't wanting to do the
logging and alienate customers, so they'll resist the RIAA as much as
possible, until it becomes more beneficial to cave in.

I'd never give up broadband simply because I couldn't download MP3s,
but I rarely download MP3s,haven't even bothered to MP3 the whole CD
collection I already have. I would however think twice about using a
broadband service if they were a "little too quick" to hand over names
of customers, as without compelling evidence I feel it to be an
invasion of privacy, a good reason to choose one broadband service
over another (fortunately there are several broadband options in my
area).


Dave
 
FuzionMan said:
Hi Guys,

I was just thinking about this earlier today. As the crackdown continues
with P2P users getting sued, people will begin to cancel out their DSL/Cable
accounts because they will see no need for it (I know for sure I would
cancel mine). So my question is, would these big broadband companies start
stepping in with their subscribers to fight those who want to stop P2P?
What are your opinions on this subject?
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first of all, file sharing will never be stopped, it will continue, the
software will get more advanced and stop it being traced.

The second thing is, most people use there Broadband for more things
than file sharing, I play games with my mates over the net, ADSL is
great for that. I listen to radio over the net, I download and upload
pictures from relative abroad.
I use audio and video on MSN messenger, yes that will work on narrow
band, but you try doing that and doing something else on the net at the4
same time.

Broadband will become more popular and hopefully cheaper. Here in the
U.K it is a newish thing, but the prices are still high.
 
Actually,it has gotten cheaper in my area,at least DSL has.Verizon lowered
the rate by $15,it's cheaper than cable now.
 
MICHAEL said:
Actually,it has gotten cheaper in my area,at least DSL has.Verizon lowered
the rate by $15,it's cheaper than cable now.
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Yep, BT openworld knocked £10 off last year and there are ISPs out there
that cost less than BT Openworld.
 
People like you make the internet slow with all that stealing... I can only
say that I will be happy if you back to dialup ;)
 
i for one think that as certian ISP`s start giving people grief about P2P`s,
they will be more likely tp choose another provider that isnt so "bothered"
about chasing people up, they do exist, and they will become more common. i
download my fair share, just like the 99% of people that have replied to
this topic do. it doesnt matter if you download one mp3 or 1000 movies, its
still file sharing.
P2P`s are getting far more advanced nowadays, to the point where it becomes
extremely difficult to know what someone is downloading, the only way
someone can find out is if they notice that a person is using a massive
amount of bandwidth, then its just to grab a packet or two to see what it
is.
people download movies/software/mp3 because they can, its there and everyone
else does it. name 10 people you know ( regular pc users), who have never
downloaded something they should have paid for. in fact, name 5. pretty
difficult eh?
i wouldnt shut down my LAN connection just because i cant use P2P, i like to
be able to surf quickly, download patches service packs, demo`s and so on
just like the rest of you guys n gals. but the point is, high speed
connections are very attractive to folx who want to expand their music or
movie collections and not pay the idiotic prices that the record and movie
companys charge.
they can pay, what, 20-30 dollars a month for the connection and get the
content they want.
a mate of mine once said that its cheaper to have broadband than it is to
hire two or three dvd`s a week - and he gets to keep the movies.
so if these people want to make a big fuss, why not try to close down
spammers and dodgy porn sites - which take up a sh*t load of bandwidth, and
are a lot more annoying.

thats my 10cents worth

nibbles

"dont you think i havent thunk of that already"
 
Well, I think he's on the right track with his comments...

I have my share of illegal music, I admit... (about 40 oddball songs I
can't find on easily CD without buying a 20 disc collection I don't want)
But I'm not using broadband for the sole purpose of 24/7 music download just
because it's available to me. There are some people that use gig after gig
of bandwidth is such little time that ISPs come along and limit the usage
for all users. I was happily sitting here listening to a streaming radio
station one night and I end up getting an email from my ISP saying I was in
violation of the AUP for using too much bandwidth. I admit, three hours
straight listening to a high-quality stereo stream can suck up bandwidth,
but it was far from being illegal and things like that are the sole reason I
have a broadband connection! But I'm out of luck because of those that ruin
it for the rest of us...

As I said before... People have no self control anymore and can't take
anything in moderation. They have to ruin it for everyone else by being
greedy.

-Steve
 
Proto wrote:

I am glad to learn that someone somewhere is getting a break. In my area
there is no competition with only one choice of broadband connection. We
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This is the problem with no competition, we got the same sort of problem
with our phone system, BT owns the lines and they got the monopoly.
There ar other phone companies around, but you got to prefix a number to
use them.
One good thing about having BT owning the lines, we do not get the
problem America do when something goes wrong, we are not passed from one
company to another.

My cousin who live in L.A had a problem with her line and it took weeks
to decide which company should fix it.


have seen nothing but buyouts and price hikes since cable arrived. But this
is Bush's AMERIKA so this is to be expected.
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I am not saying a word.
 
Peter said:
People like you make the internet slow with all that stealing... I can only
say that I will be happy if you back to dialup ;)
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It is all the Americans staying on line all day. :-)
When i was on dial up, the speed was ok, until around 2pm, then it would
slow down. We blamed the Americans, well you got to blame someone :-)
 
Well, I think he's on the right track with his comments...

I have my share of illegal music, I admit...
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I was happily sitting here listening to a streaming radio
station one night and I end up getting an email from my ISP saying I was in
violation of the AUP for using too much bandwidth.
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But I'm out of luck because of those that ruin
it for the rest of us...

As I said before... People have no self control anymore and can't take
anything in moderation. They have to ruin it for everyone else by being
greedy.

-Steve
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Oh, I see... you download the MP3s, you listen to the streaming radio
enough that you get warned, but OF COURSE IT'S NOT YOU with "no self
control", "ruining it for everyone"... it's that OTHER guy.

BTW, contrary to what the RIAA would like you to believe, MP3s may be
a small problem compared to other bandwidth hogs like streaming pron
videos, and while the pron load might be reduced by the ISPs
inplementing caching devices, if they do that with the MP3s they could
potentially be more liable, likely to be prosecuted by "storing" it on
their own network.

Considering this, it's possible that while MP3s ARE eating up some
bandwidth, the RIAA is indirectly making it a far larger problem than
it would be (if they weren't so litigious).


Dave
 
The "other" guy I was referring to are those that download entire CDs
non-stop just because they know they can. Those "other" guys are the ones
that runs bots scouring music/video/porn, downloading non-stop when there is
NOT A HUMAN BEING at the computer.
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Fair enough, those guys are a problem, but realistically, what
percentage of users are they? Often an ISP will put a cap on for just
this reason, so no matter how bad they are, there's still on minimal
impact unless they're on your leg of a cable run.
When I am actively using my connection for it's intended purpose (Do they
not promote streaming music and video every turn when they are trying to
sell broadband??) I feel I should not be warned for using bandwidth since
the AUP says nothing against listening to an all-night streaming radio show,
but does clearly spell out it's not right to use bots or other automated
download tools.
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I"m not suggesting you shouldn't be using the broadband, getting your
money's worth, but on the other hand, regardless of whether someone
else is doing legal or illegal activites, they've also paid for the
bandwidth. It's just a shame that some brandband services are more
restrictive than others.
I don't care about the guy with 100 MP3s he downloaded that sits and watches
streaming porn all night.
I get pissed at the machines sitting there
running non-stop downloading and sucking up bandwidth when on one is at the
machine.

Is that unreasonable of me!?!
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That's reasonble, except, how likely is that scenario? I don't know
anyone doing that, at most someone might have a P2P app running and
others are downloading from it, but P2P is pathetically slow, so that
"guy downloading pron all night" might be using as much bandwidth, and
I suspect there are far more pron-o-holics than automated
bot-leechers. An automated bot can't just download EVERYTHING on the
internet, there has to be some kind of human direction.

It could be that your ISP is simply underequipped for optimal
bandwidth, or overjealous in persuading customers to moderate usage.
In either case it's the ISP at fault, not the other customers. You
might email them and ask if they've modified their TOS, inquiring why
they want to restrict you in this way.


Dave
 
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