what is the best photo printer?

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I want to buy a printer, primarily to make photos from my digital
camera. I am looking for opinions on what to buy. All informed views
will be appreciated.
 
jj said:
I want to buy a printer, primarily to make photos from my digital
camera. I am looking for opinions on what to buy. All informed views
will be appreciated.
"Best" with respect to what? Best color? Longest lasting prints? Cheapest
prints? Fastest printing?

Sorry to say, these are conflicting requirements. There is no printer which
is best in every category.
Jim
 
I would look into the Canon IP4000 and use OEM ink. Canon Photo Paper
Pro is the best I have used. I recently used some of Costco/Kirkland
Glossy Photo. It may be made by Ilford but I am not sure.

I cut the Costco paper into 2 4x6 and 1 5x8. The 4x6 cost a little over
4 cents. The Canon Photo Paper Pro costs 29 cents for a 4x6 sheet.
While the Canon is a little better if you look real hard, Costco is
probably 95% as good at a minimum and 1/7 the cost.

I have also tried Office Depot and Surething papers. I am going to
standardized on Costco/Kirkland.
 
I use a canon i960, the previous generation canon with 6 color inks. It
makes beautiful prints with canon inks and also with aftermarket inks I
have been using. Canon cartridges are easier to refill if you decide to
use third party inks, and there are a few good inks that have been
recommended on this and other forums. If economics is an issue and you want
to buy aftermarket cartridges or refill them, and if archival quality is not
a big issue, then Canon is the best choice in my estimation. For permanance
of prints the newest epsons with pigmented inks are best. Canons used dye
based inks which tend to fade faster than the Epson prints.The major issue
is what you want out of the printer. If you sell prints you have to go for
pigmented inks. If you want to purchase Epson, look for posts from Arthur
Entlich on this Newsgroup as he has described the progression of inks that
Epson has gone through to improve their pigmented ink for avoidance of head
clogs and other problems. He can probably tell you which Ep;son models are
least problematic. That information is probably in this newsgroup, but you
will have to go through it and do your homework. You might want to go on to
Neil Slade's site at www.neilslade.com/papers/inkjetstuff and read all of
his information also. He leans heavily toward Canon. He also has links to
a forum - I think it is Steve's or something like that - with excellent
reviews of printers, digital cameras, etc.
 
Burt said:
I use a canon i960, the previous generation canon with 6 color inks. It
makes beautiful prints with canon inks and also with aftermarket inks I
have been using. Canon cartridges are easier to refill if you decide to
use third party inks, and there are a few good inks that have been
recommended on this and other forums. If economics is an issue and you want
to buy aftermarket cartridges or refill them, and if archival quality is not
a big issue, then Canon is the best choice in my estimation. For permanance
of prints the newest epsons with pigmented inks are best. Canons used dye
based inks which tend to fade faster than the Epson prints.The major issue
is what you want out of the printer. If you sell prints you have to go for
pigmented inks. If you want to purchase Epson, look for posts from Arthur
Entlich on this Newsgroup as he has described the progression of inks that
Epson has gone through to improve their pigmented ink for avoidance of head
clogs and other problems. He can probably tell you which Ep;son models are
least problematic. That information is probably in this newsgroup, but you
will have to go through it and do your homework. You might want to go on to
Neil Slade's site at www.neilslade.com/papers/inkjetstuff and read all of
his information also. He leans heavily toward Canon. He also has links to
a forum - I think it is Steve's or something like that - with excellent
reviews of printers, digital cameras, etc.

I just upgraded from the i950 to the iP8500, and what a printer! To die
for! Eight colors, and brilliant, accurate color in the prints.
Astounding. Individually replaceable, including the print head.
Automatic print head alignment. Connects to a camera. Two paper feed
sources. Printer profiles in the drivers.

Gary Eickmeier
 
Burt wrote:
[snip]



I just upgraded from the i950 to the iP8500, and what a printer! To die
for! Eight colors, and brilliant, accurate color in the prints.
Astounding. Individually replaceable, including the print head.

Do you mean that each color has a separate print head?
Automatic print head alignment. Connects to a camera. Two paper feed
sources. Printer profiles in the drivers.

CD printing?

Dye-based inks?
 
Lady said:
Burt wrote:

[snip]



I just upgraded from the i950 to the iP8500, and what a printer! To die
for! Eight colors, and brilliant, accurate color in the prints.
Astounding. Individually replaceable, including the print head.


Do you mean that each color has a separate print head?

Automatic print head alignment. Connects to a camera. Two paper feed
sources. Printer profiles in the drivers.


CD printing?

Dye-based inks?
Gary Eickmeier

http://www.canon.com.au/products/home_office/printers/colour_bj_printers/ip8500.html
 
Burt wrote:
[snip]



I just upgraded from the i950 to the iP8500, and what a printer! To die
for! Eight colors, and brilliant, accurate color in the prints.
Astounding. Individually replaceable, including the print head.

Do you mean that each color has a separate print head?
Automatic print head alignment. Connects to a camera. Two paper feed
sources. Printer profiles in the drivers.

CD printing?

Dye-based inks?
Gary Eickmeier



And Print heads that don't last or the Prints..

You are Joking..
 
Gary said:
I just upgraded from the i950 to the iP8500, and what a printer! To
die for! Eight colors, and brilliant, accurate color in the prints.
Astounding. Individually replaceable, including the print head.
Automatic print head alignment. Connects to a camera. Two paper feed
sources. Printer profiles in the drivers.


And Duplex Printing too.

Try Canon OEM ink with either Canon Photo Paper Pro or Costco/Kirkland
Glossy Paper. You made a great choice.
 
jj said:
I want to buy a printer, primarily to make photos from my digital camera. I am
looking for opinions on what to buy. All informed views will be appreciated.

What is the resolution of your camera? How large a print do you want? Do you
want to print directly from the camera or camera cards? Is portability a
requirement? Here are a few choices you may want to check out:

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF02a/18972-236251-64340.html lists
various of HP's Photosmart offerings. Depending on your requirements you might
consider the following that I have personally used:

Photosmart 375 is a portable 4"x6" photo printer, optional battery for
completely portable operation. It prints directly from most memory card formats
or partridge cameras. It has a 2.5" color LCD that allows selecting, zoom,
crop and a few other functions without needing a computer. See:
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/18972-236251-64340-15100-64340-427438.html

Photosmart 7950 is a 9 ink photo printer capable of 13"x19" prints. At the
recent PMA show its prints were rated the best, beating out offerings from
Epson, Canon and others. It is also suitable as a versatile printer for text
and web pages. See:
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/18972-236251-64340-15100-64340-426170.html .
This printer is due to be released May 1 I believe.

You might also consider an all-in-one unit, which combines the capabilities of
a photo printer with a scan, copy and fax functions. My personal favorite is
the Officejet 7410 shown at
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/18972-238444-410635-12019-f51-391193.html,
lower end all-in-one units such as the Photosmart 2600 or 2700 series may be of
interest as well. See:
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF02a/18972-238444-410635.html.
Personally the all-in-one units are my favorites - it is very easy to get
spoiled with a personal color copier.

Regards,
Bob Headrick, not speaking for my employer HP






All the above use HP's Vivera inks which gives better lightfastness than
traditional photo prints. See http://www.wilhelmresearch.com .
 
And Print heads that don't last or the Prints..

You are Joking..

I'm curious about that..Why do you say the heads don't last?
Are you saying it's characteristic of Canon, or of that particular
model?
 
_R said:
I'm curious about that..Why do you say the heads don't last?
Are you saying it's characteristic of Canon, or of that particular
model?

I have not found any of this to be true. Maybe these people are using
some crummy after market ink. Who knows. I have a Pixma printer since
last October and have had no problems at all. I do not print a great
deal since I have another printer that I use more for business
documents. I did use a set of the all of the colors.

You made a great choice.
 
Yes a characteristic of Canon and all Bubble Jets, the head rot, its the
way that they work that does it.


I have not found any of this to be true. Maybe these people are using
some crummy after market ink. Who knows. I have a Pixma printer since
last October and have had no problems at all. I do not print a great
deal since I have another printer that I use more for business
documents. I did use a set of the all of the colors.

You made a great choice.


CRAP..
 
There is no "BEST" unless you tell us what of the following you want the
most in a printer, ranked by preference. (there's a lot more, too)

1) cheap is important

Any on-sale inkjet printer that goes for <$50. Simply buy, use
until ink cartridges are empty, then replace with another <$50 printer
(since ink cartridges cost about the same as a new printer anyways).

Give aways, hand me downs, found in trash, etc. are all good to get.
BIG college campuses like UCLA at the end of the year and quarter are
particularly good for dumpster diving.

2) Longevity is important

a) Keep in mind that all inks fade with light/air exposure - thus,
don't expect prints to last in open display longer than a few years w/o
fading (search for POV Image Epson Orange Fading website). Applies to
all inkjets.

b) Out of the box, those expensive Epsons like the 1800/2200 series
which have longer lasting inks than their regular line. Pigemented
generally lasts longer than dye based inks, but see #a above.

c) you can even buy 3rd party archival inks and papers from
www.inkjetmall.com and elsewhere, but even then, as you can see from
their longevity reports, that they don't last that long either under
direct light exposure.

d) If you're worried about lawsuits, simply do like the regular film
print companies - put in a disclaimer that you're not responsible for
any fading at all, period - because they will fade.

3) Smoother prints with less visible dots. Smaller picoliter dots like
the 1.5pl from Epson will be able to print tinier dots that are less
noticable. Also, more colors like the 9 color from HP will generally be
better than lower number of colors - but here, keep in mind that almost
any inkjet printer that runs at least 6 colors or more will produce
'photographic' prints quite easily.

4) Lower operating costs?

More ink cartridges = more cost per set of inks you need to replace.
Also, Canon carts are the easiest to refill, HP & Epson are tougher,
esp. the chipped cartridges from Epson, or the expiration dated HPs.
You can bypass the locks, but it's an extra step.

Continuous Bottle Feed ink systems from www.inkjetmall.com and
elsewhere let you print thousands of colors prints w/o a single refill -
they feed directly from huge bottles of ink retrofitted to your printer.

www.shopper.com generally gives you an idea what each printer's
print cartridge cost will be, so you can find out what the operating
costs are.

also, keep in mind that Epson generally has cheaper photo papers
than Canon which in turn is cheaper than HP. Per print operating costs
of Paper + Ink is to be kept in mind. Also, add to the per print
operating cost the price of the printer, too! An expensive printer will
make each print more costly than a dirt-cheap printer.

5) DOS/linux

You'll have to hunt down printers that have support for these OSs.

6) Thick paper

Flatter paper feeds such as the top in, bottom out feeds of some
Canon and Epson printers are better than HP and some Canon U-feed
designs. These can definitely jam up on thicker paper, or not feed at all.

7) double-sided

Here, only a few printers from Canon and HP have auto-double-sided
printing

8) flash card slot

Only a few from each maker have these to print directly from digital
camera flash cards

9) scanning?

Only a few from each maker can print photo prints, scan/copy in
color, and even fewer still (like the Epsons) have built-in scan
directly to flash cards w/o a PC, or scanning of 35mm films.

R500/600 series from Epson are examples of some that have a truck
load of these nice features.

10) n-up on one page support, borderless printing, etc.

A lot of other features are only available on some makes and models,
such as poster printing, n-up on one page printing, manual double-sided
printing, etc, etc.
 
Yes a characteristic of Canon and all Bubble Jets, the head rot, its the
way that they work that does it.

CRAP..

I guess it's safe to say that you are recommending another brand.
Which? I'm in the market for a low-cost color printer, so here's your
chance to talk me out of buying Canon. Pref something that does not
clog easily.

Thanks
 
I'm curious about that..Why do you say the heads don't last?
Are you saying it's characteristic of Canon, or of that particular
model?

It's characteristic of Canon. On Epson's the problem can be clogging.
On Canon's the print head burns out. Of course, in both cases, it
depends how much you use it.

--

Hecate - The Real One
(e-mail address removed)
Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
 
I have not found any of this to be true. Maybe these people are using
some crummy after market ink. Who knows. I have a Pixma printer since
last October and have had no problems at all. I do not print a great
deal since I have another printer that I use more for business
documents. I did use a set of the all of the colors.

You made a great choice.

Oh wow, a whole 6 months and the print head hasn't burnt out.

Of course it hasn't, even bloody Lexmarks still work after 6 months
(after a fashion).

--

Hecate - The Real One
(e-mail address removed)
Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
 
I guess it's safe to say that you are recommending another brand.
Which? I'm in the market for a low-cost color printer, so here's your
chance to talk me out of buying Canon. Pref something that does not
clog easily.
Low cost and doesn't clog. Buy HP. The cartridges cost more but
they're generally bulletproof for low cost, low volume printing.

--

Hecate - The Real One
(e-mail address removed)
Fashion: Buying things you don't need, with money
you don't have, to impress people you don't like...
 
Low cost and doesn't clog. Buy HP. The cartridges cost more but
they're generally bulletproof for low cost, low volume printing.

General concurrence with this thought.

One caveat: HP install/uninstall software, in my experience,
sometimes fails. And sometimes their drivers are
buggy. In both regards, much more so than Canons, Epsons,
or Lexmarks. One can generally work around those issues,
but they do exist.

-- stan
 
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