What is .NET Framework 2.0.50727?

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I had requested some assistance from the board at an earlier date, and one of
the solutions suggested was to download SyncToy v.1.4, a Microsoft creation

From the description of the program, it seemed that this would be exactly
what I wanted.

I downloaded the setup file, and when I tried to execute it, I was informed
that the "setup requires the .NET Framework version 2.0.50727

I currently run XP Home SP 2 on a stand-alone system, no network, no
routers, just my cable connection

Could someone explain what .NET is and what effect it will have on my system?

I'm really not in the mood to download something that is going to wreak
havoc with my system/internet access/anti-virus/firewalls etc.

Thanks for any and all assistance.
 
So, from what I can see, in order to use a little program (less than 1MB in
size) I have to download at least 2 or three other programs using up almost
300MB of space on my disk, with all the attendant probability that this will
screw up some program that I actually use on a consistent basis, or that will
require me to learn some sort of programming language just to be able use
correctly the programs I didn't want in the first place.

I guess it was too much to hope that a simple task would be resolved by a
simple, functional program.
 
Complain to the authors of the program that requires Net framework.

Progress, technology and change are a bi*tch, aren't they? ;-)
 
So, from what I can see, in order to use a little program (less than
1MB in size) I have to download at least 2 or three other programs
using up almost 300MB of space on my disk, with all the attendant
probability that this will screw up some program that I actually use
on a consistent basis, or that will require me to learn some sort of
programming language just to be able use correctly the programs I
didn't want in the first place.

I guess it was too much to hope that a simple task would be resolved
by a simple, functional program.
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That's funny. While it's not 300 mb, probably 30-40, and a lot of files
that make up what MS sees as the future (or it has been forced on us now
already) foundation to expand the capabilites of Windows and blah blah
blah.....

So yes, you have to d/l a 20 meg runtime to use your program less of than a
meg.
 
'DanS' wrote:
| That's funny. While it's not 300 mb, probably 30-40, and a lot of files
| that make up what MS sees as the future (or it has been forced on us now
| already) foundation to expand the capabilites of Windows and blah blah
| blah.....
|
| So yes, you have to d/l a 20 meg runtime to use your program less of than
a
| meg.
_____

And the large runtime is very likely why the application itself is
relatively small.

Phil Weldon

| |
| > So, from what I can see, in order to use a little program (less than
| > 1MB in size) I have to download at least 2 or three other programs
| > using up almost 300MB of space on my disk, with all the attendant
| > probability that this will screw up some program that I actually use
| > on a consistent basis, or that will require me to learn some sort of
| > programming language just to be able use correctly the programs I
| > didn't want in the first place.
| >
| > I guess it was too much to hope that a simple task would be resolved
| > by a simple, functional program.
|
| That's funny. While it's not 300 mb, probably 30-40, and a lot of files
| that make up what MS sees as the future (or it has been forced on us now
| already) foundation to expand the capabilites of Windows and blah blah
| blah.....
|
| So yes, you have to d/l a 20 meg runtime to use your program less of than
a
| meg.
|
|
 
DanS said:
That's funny. While it's not 300 mb, probably 30-40, and a lot of files
that make up what MS sees as the future (or it has been forced on us now
already) foundation to expand the capabilites of Windows and blah blah
blah.....

So yes, you have to d/l a 20 meg runtime to use your program less of than a
meg.
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DanS:

From the >NET Download page:
"Disk Space Requirements: 280 MB (x86), 610 MB (x64)"

And if that phrase doesn't mean what I think it means, it is a perfect
example of what is wrong with computer use: taking something relatively
simple and drowning it in so much arcana and computerese that people who do
not devote their lives to (or have an interest in) programming feel
completely lost and abandon what they want to do.
 
DanS:

From the >NET Download page:
"Disk Space Requirements: 280 MB (x86), 610 MB (x64)"
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You're right !!!! I didn't see the numbers there, but that 's better than
10:1 compression.
 
alanpp said:
I had requested some assistance from the board at an earlier date, and one of
the solutions suggested was to download SyncToy v.1.4, a Microsoft creation

From the description of the program, it seemed that this would be exactly
what I wanted.

I downloaded the setup file, and when I tried to execute it, I was informed
that the "setup requires the .NET Framework version 2.0.50727

I currently run XP Home SP 2 on a stand-alone system, no network, no
routers, just my cable connection

Could someone explain what .NET is and what effect it will have on my system?

I'm really not in the mood to download something that is going to wreak
havoc with my system/internet access/anti-virus/firewalls etc.

Thanks for any and all assistance.
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You are looking at all of this the wrong way.

One, you assume that NET Frame will damage your computer. That could be
true but why assume it is true.

Two, if someone wrote a program you wanted to use but did so, for
example, using DirectX calls would you complain because you then had to
get a copy of DirectX to run the program? I'd bet you have bought many
programs requiring DirectX.

SyncToy seems to have been written to run using NET Frame which means
that the author could use a high level language to simplify his efforts.
If you don't want to acquire NET Frame, no one is forcing you.
 
To Robert Gault:

Some quick points:
Your comment:
One, you assume that NET Frame will damage your computer. That could be
true but why assume it is true.
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I can assume it is true because of the long history of bugs, errors,
incompatabilities and other horrors that the Windows family tree has passed
off on us. The simple fact that you can include a phrase such as "That could
be true" makes my point.

So I would prefer to understand what the program is and how it is supposed
to work before inflicting it on my machine. At this point, I have inferred
from prior comments that .NET is some form of programming language. If you
will note, in my first post I asked what .NET was and what its function is.
The link I was passed off to provides this information:

"The Microsoft .NET Framework version 2.0 redistributable package installs
the .NET Framework runtime and associated files required to run applications
developed to target the .NET Framework v2.0."

Which to a non-programmer sounds so self-referential as to be a tautology:
"A installs A which is designed to run A". Totally void of meaning.

Also, the linked page states:

"The .NET Framework version 2.0 improves scalability and performance of
applications with improved caching, application deployment and updating with
ClickOnce, support for the broadest array of browsers and devices with
ASP.NET 2.0 controls and services."

Again, to a non-programmer, the only thing in that sentence that approaches
comprehensibility is "support for the broadest array of browsers". When the
only thing that is understandable in a description informs you that the
program does something you don't care about, you lose your enthusiasm for
working with the product.
Two, if someone wrote a program you wanted to use but did so, for
example, using DirectX calls would you complain because you then had to
get a copy of DirectX to run the program? I'd bet you have bought many
programs requiring DirectX.
Click to expand...

While I haven't bought DirectX-related programs, I have purchased software
from people I have perceived to be reliable. One of the problems here is
that, in addition to a general reputation for unreliability on the part of
Microsoft, I know that the software that I do purchase makes available to me
people who can support their product. And by support I do not mean foisting
responsibility for service off on the manufacturer of my box, who may or may
not be capable of answering questions, nor do I mean charging me money for
the right to call and ask for assistance if a problem arises. So if .NET is
going to screw up my OS, I want either the maker of my OS or the makers of
..NET to be there to solve the problem. ANd we all know that MS will not be
there to solve the problems.
SyncToy seems to have been written to run using NET Frame which means
that the author could use a high level language to simplify his efforts.
If you don't want to acquire NET Frame, no one is forcing you.
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On this point you are right. I don't have to acquire the .NET program and
probably won't, because I still don't know what it does, what it is used for,
or what it will do to my computer.

When someone can give me an explanations to those points, maybe I'll
reconsider.
 
When someone can give me an explanations to those points, maybe I'll
reconsider.
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The .Net framework is a collection of DLL files that are the 'runtime'
components, and needed to run applications that the developers have
chosen to create using these libraries.

To a non-programmer, I can see what the question is. What .Net is is a
brand new set of libraries, all closely designed to all interact properly
with each other. When the programs are written, in any of many languages
that can use these libraries, functions are called from these libraries
that ARE the program.

Current files on your PC are other runtime environments. The VB6 runtime
is installed with XP, so you never had to d/l that. Many of the DLL files
in the Windows tree are used for program libraries. DLL stands for
Dynamic-Linked-Libraries.

So it is just a huge runtime set of files. It is not a program. It does
not 'run'. DirectX is another runtime library.
 
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