What is FX5700LE like ?

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I've been searching for comparative benchmarks involving
real-life gaming (not just synthetic tests) that will let me
compare an FX5700LE with other popular cards, but the results
have not been satisfactory. Any information along these lines
will be greatly appreciated.

I've used the TNT2 M64, GF2 MX200, GF4 MX440, GF4 Ti4200,
FX5200, 5600, 5700 plain. I have a fair idea of how much more
powerful the 6xxx series are. I just cannot find the proper info
about the 5700LE.

I'd also like to know what the approximate equivalent would be in
the ATI 9xxx series.
 
I've been searching for comparative benchmarks involving
real-life gaming (not just synthetic tests) that will let me
compare an FX5700LE with other popular cards, but the results
have not been satisfactory. Any information along these lines
will be greatly appreciated.

I've used the TNT2 M64,
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slower, much slower than FX5700LE
GF2 MX200,
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Little slower (than FX5700LE)

GF4 MX440,
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Less slower
GF4 Ti4200,
Faster

FX5200,
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Depends on the card, similar performance from the higher-end
version of the FX5200.
5600, 5700 plain.
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Both a little (few dozen percent?) faster depending on game.

I have a fair idea of how much more
powerful the 6xxx series are. I just cannot find the proper info
about the 5700LE.
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It should be considered their next generation low-end card.
Not fit for modern gaming.
OK for DX8 games but outperformed by mid-range DX8
generation cards too. Although supportive of DX9, far too
slow to play modern games in DX9 mode.

I'd also like to know what the approximate equivalent would be in
the ATI 9xxx series.
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I try to avoid low-end ATI cards, their poor drivers make
them too much of a hassle. ballpark "guess" would be a 9250
but that could be off by a bit.

If you only do 2D things, general use and DVDs/etc, any
modern card is fast enough. If you want to play 2 year (or
more) older games the FX5700LE would be fast enough if you
don't run very high (past 1024x768) resolutions and minimal
eyecandy, no FSAA or AF. For modern games it's not worth
considering, just too slow. Given enough searching you
might find a Radeon 9800 Pro for around $110, that's about
entry level for a card suitable for modern 3D games these
days.
 
Given enough searching you
might find a Radeon 9800 Pro for around $110, that's about
entry level for a card suitable for modern 3D games these
days.
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Yeah someone posted a deal for a 9800 Pro for $115 a decent deal.
Theres also a 9550 ATI for $49 or 59 this week at old compusa after
rebate obviously .

Im actually interested in the 5700LE if its cheap enough cause I read
up on it a while back and everyone claims its almost a sure thing to
OC it a fair amount pushing it up closer to a regular 5700. The
problem is the prices I saw back then STUNK as if the sellers knew
that. If I saw one for $30 Id grab it.

Seems like prices are finally falling again on video - saw a $200 6800
deal which is actually quite shocking given that I got one for $200
way back in NOV of last year !!! Thats how bizarro prices have been
with prices getting jacked up since then until the 800XL came out .
Ive seen some new lows being claimed on various cards recently
possibly because of Memorial Day sales coming up and maybe they are
getting ready for the next gen chips which were hyped as possibly
getting ready for unveiling before summer. I guess they are finished
with Xbox (ATI) and PS3 (Nvidia) since theyve both announced their
systems already. So maybe they can focus more on their next gen chips
again. I wonder if theyll be ready for this xmas? Or will they push it
back more and let the new consoles hog the limelight this Xmas?
 
Yeah someone posted a deal for a 9800 Pro for $115 a decent deal.
Theres also a 9550 ATI for $49 or 59 this week at old compusa after
rebate obviously .

Im actually interested in the 5700LE if its cheap enough cause I read
up on it a while back and everyone claims its almost a sure thing to
OC it a fair amount pushing it up closer to a regular 5700. The
problem is the prices I saw back then STUNK as if the sellers knew
that. If I saw one for $30 Id grab it.
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Isn't the LE the crippled version, only has half the memory
bandwidth of the full 5700? I thought the cheapest versions
had only 64 bit bus, regular versions 128bit. I think I'd
be more likely to get an old GF4TI4200 and o'c that, but
last time i looked for one they were getting harder to find
at decent prices. Seems like they're hardly any cheaper now
than they were (don't remember when exactly) about 12 months
ago when you could get the newegg refubs for around $50.

Seems like prices are finally falling again on video - saw a $200 6800
deal which is actually quite shocking given that I got one for $200
way back in NOV of last year !!! Thats how bizarro prices have been
with prices getting jacked up since then until the 800XL came out .
Ive seen some new lows being claimed on various cards recently
possibly because of Memorial Day sales coming up and maybe they are
getting ready for the next gen chips which were hyped as possibly
getting ready for unveiling before summer. I guess they are finished
with Xbox (ATI) and PS3 (Nvidia) since theyve both announced their
systems already. So maybe they can focus more on their next gen chips
again. I wonder if theyll be ready for this xmas? Or will they push it
back more and let the new consoles hog the limelight this Xmas?
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Hard to guess on something like that, I"m sure they'll try
to have everything possible out for Christmas. As for the
dropping prices I've been a little surprised too but will be
happier when the nVidia 6xxx series drops a little more,
since the FX5xxx series doesn't do very well at DX9.
 
Isn't the LE the crippled version, only has half the memory
bandwidth of the full 5700? I thought the cheapest versions
had only 64 bit bus, regular versions 128bit. I think I'd
be more likely to get an old GF4TI4200 and o'c that, but
last time i looked for one they were getting harder to find
at decent prices. Seems like they're hardly any cheaper now
than they were (don't remember when exactly) about 12 months
ago when you could get the newegg refubs for around $50.
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Yeah I dont want to give the impression its some hot card , its not
but since the LE series are generally dogs and the 5000 series is old
if it dropped to 30 bucks which is the range you only saw the 400mx
until recently , though the 9000 ATI series has been on clearance the
last few months at several places near there or lower too --- then Id
get it though I think I saw some surprisingly old ATI cards higher
than 9200 for $50-60 which might be a better deal. I havent compared
them directly with the recent new prices. .


http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/galaxy/5700le/index.php?p=11

http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/galaxy/5700le/index.php?p=10



This is from Xbit labs

NVIDIA GeForce FX 5700 LE. This is an even slower solution differing
from GeForce FX 5700 by much lower GPU frequency and slightly lower
graphics memory frequency. Due to low nominal frequencies, GeForce FX
5700 LE demonstrates outstanding overclocking potential: the GPU
frequency almost doubled as a result of overclocking. Unfortunately, I
do not have any statistics at hand about the NVIDIA GeForce FX 5700 LE
overclocking, but everything indicates that these cards will have
excellent overclockability. For instance, the card, which took part in
our today’s review after overclocking appeared just a little bit
slower than NVIDIA GeForce FX 5700 Ultra.

Keeping in mind low cost of GeForce FX 5700 LE based graphics cards
and their theoretically (unfortunately, there is no statistics yet)
high overclocking potential, we would recommend these cards as an
excellent choice in the appropriate price category.

The board carries 128MB of graphics memory in chips from Hynix with a
cycle time of 5ns (Hynix HY5DU281622ET-5). The nominal frequencies are
250/400 (200DDR) MHz – in other words, we have a 40% GPU frequency
reduction compared to the GeForce FX 5700, while the graphics memory
now works only 100MHz slower. The overclockability of our card was
really astonishing: 480/600MHz. That is, the GPU clock rate nearly
doubled and exceeded the nominal frequency of the GeForce FX 5700
Ultra, while the memory frequency grew by a half.

Well, 600MHz is a really phenomenal case for memory that is rated for
400MHz, according to its model number. 480MHz for the GeForce FX 5700
LE GPU seems to be an expected result because such graphics chips
don’t principally differ from the GeForce FX 5700/5700 Ultra that work
at 425 and 475MHz. The high overclockability of the GeForce FX 5700 LE
is just the consequence of the manufacturer’s having greatly reduced
the clock rate beforehand.
 
Isn't the LE the crippled version, only has half the memory
bandwidth of the full 5700? I thought the cheapest versions
had only 64 bit bus, regular versions 128bit. I think I'd
be more likely to get an old GF4TI4200 and o'c that, but
last time i looked for one they were getting harder to find
at decent prices. Seems like they're hardly any cheaper now
than they were (don't remember when exactly) about 12 months
ago when you could get the newegg refubs for around $50.
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I just looked it up out of curiousity cause Im always looking for
cheap video cards and I saw some softness in the 5700LE a while back.
The prices were 100-130 . What a JOKE !

No way would I even think about buying an LE 5700 for $100. I think id
get the plain 6600 instead, Ive seen it close to 100 several times. Im
not sure how it compares against the 9800 pro though which may be a
lot better.
 
I just looked it up out of curiousity cause Im always looking for
cheap video cards and I saw some softness in the 5700LE a while back.
The prices were 100-130 . What a JOKE !

No way would I even think about buying an LE 5700 for $100. I think id
get the plain 6600 instead, Ive seen it close to 100 several times. Im
not sure how it compares against the 9800 pro though which may be a
lot better.
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I'd take an nVidia card over an ATI even if it were a few
percent slower, dislike ATI drivers still.

Even the plain 6600 has the hardware assisted MPEG encoding
working, doesn't it? That would be a secondary reason I'd
go with it instead. Then again, I find it harder to justify
low-midgrade cards, since they seem to leave one wishing
they'd spent a bit more when gaming, and when not gaming,
they're overkill except for the MPEG encoding potential.
Even so, from what you described the FX5700 could be
interesting.

I have to wonder though if it's onboard power circuitry is
robust enough. Hitting high speeds in a couple days of
benchmarks doesn't really tell us anything about how long
it'd run like that. Often on the lower cost cards the power
circuitry is budgetized enough that it might be useful to go
ahead and replace the capacitors ahead of time rather than
waiting for them to fail (that is, if they're getting pretty
warm when o'c).

I seem to always abandon warranties as a matter of practice
though, if the card has a decent warranty I suppose taking a
wait-n-see attitude is also good but on a card that cheap
I'd be awefully tempted to volt-mod it and strap on a bigger
heatsink to see how far it'd go.
 
kony said:
I'd take an nVidia card over an ATI even if it were a few
percent slower, dislike ATI drivers still.

Even the plain 6600 has the hardware assisted MPEG encoding
working, doesn't it? That would be a secondary reason I'd
go with it instead. Then again, I find it harder to justify
low-midgrade cards, since they seem to leave one wishing
they'd spent a bit more when gaming, and when not gaming,
they're overkill except for the MPEG encoding potential.
Even so, from what you described the FX5700 could be
interesting.

I have to wonder though if it's onboard power circuitry is
robust enough. Hitting high speeds in a couple days of
benchmarks doesn't really tell us anything about how long
it'd run like that. Often on the lower cost cards the power
circuitry is budgetized enough that it might be useful to go
ahead and replace the capacitors ahead of time rather than
waiting for them to fail (that is, if they're getting pretty
warm when o'c).

I seem to always abandon warranties as a matter of practice
though, if the card has a decent warranty I suppose taking a
wait-n-see attitude is also good but on a card that cheap
I'd be awefully tempted to volt-mod it and strap on a bigger
heatsink to see how far it'd go.
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Someone mentioned a 9550 not too far back..Better off to search for a
used 9500 and softmod it. More bang for the buck.

I have to agree that ATI's drivers are a PITA to deal with. You never
know if they will break anything, and if they do you have to manually
search for the clean-up utility because they generate their links on
their site with a script so you can't just bookmark it. That is a pain
in 640x480!
 
i have a 5700le with 256mb onboard card, its a very average card and
it will not play cs source or farcry or doom3 unless it is on the
lowest settings . cs source was getting only 15-25 fps in games until
i installed omega drivers for the card and now i get about 35-60 fps
and it is now playable , but the card is crap in my opinion.
i have mates on geforce 5200`s who get 80-100 fps constant in cs
source and my card on paper is twice there card.
 
On 24 May 2005 15:32:21 -0400,
i have a 5700le with 256mb onboard card, its a very average card and
it will not play cs source or farcry or doom3 unless it is on the
lowest settings . cs source was getting only 15-25 fps in games until
i installed omega drivers for the card and now i get about 35-60 fps
and it is now playable , but the card is crap in my opinion.
i have mates on geforce 5200`s who get 80-100 fps constant in cs
source and my card on paper is twice there card.
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Well they have various versions which confuse the whole picture. They
have 5200 Ultras which maybe a lot better than a stock 5700LE. But the
5700LE is supposed to be slightly better than a plain old 5200. The
OCed 5700:LE should be better though or close.
 
Yes im sure it should be a good card but it isnt , in battlefield
vietnam it is like playing half life in 1998 on a pentium2 with
voodoo2 16mb video card.
Honestly its cack.
 
I too use the 5700 le 256mb & agree with you on this.
However it works fine for the applications i use it for. I simply chose to
fit this card as my other stopped working & the price of this one was
acceptable.

Phil.
 
Well they have various versions which confuse the whole picture. They
have 5200 Ultras which maybe a lot better than a stock 5700LE. But the
5700LE is supposed to be slightly better than a plain old 5200. The
OCed 5700:LE should be better though or close.
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yes there are at least 3 5200 versions, the ultra, the
plain, and the stripped-down. The stripped down version
would be a more apples/apples comparison to the low end
5700LE, and is slower than 5700LE but these days at similar
prices AFAIK...

For example a FX5200 w/128-bit mem,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814133127
one with slower memory,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150041#DetailSpecs
same company, same price, same bus speed but 128-bit width,
faster version,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150030

Faster 400MHz memory but 64-bit bus,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121186

.... all these variations and we're not even at the $50
models yet, seems FX5200 is just the frankenstein of
leftover memory and PCBs as well as a more cost-effective
card in the souped-up versions. Funny thing is a friend of
mine paid near $100 for a FX5200... I told up serveral times
it was a ripeoff @ $100 but some people just have an
aversion to buying online.

Unfortunately they're doing same things with even 6600, from
same manufacturers we see 64 bit version,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814145113R
and 128 bit,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814145112

Seems rather ridiculous that one now has to be a video card
guru to even figure out what they're really selling you
under the same model #.
 
To make things even more interesting, now you can get an
FX5900XT for $100,

http://www.shentech.com/bfggefx59oc1.html

While being quite a bit faster than any FX5200/5700, and one
of the fastest cards at DX8 for any price (till you reach
the ~ $250+ levels), it's still a big aged in it's DX9
support... you really have to move up from the FX5xxx series
to get good DX9 with an nVidia card.
 
Seems rather ridiculous that one now has to be a video card
guru to even figure out what they're really selling you
under the same model #.
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I wonder if they took a cue from the mattress makers. Ive read the bed
mattress makers make the same mattress under a zillion names so its
almost impossible to compare models.
 
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