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What will give my PC the longest life ?
Do you leave your pc on 24/7
or shutdown every day.
If i leave it on are there any settings i should make.
Please advise ?
 
Hi

I leave my PCs on 24/7 and only reboot them when necessary - no problems.
If you do leave the PC on 24/7 you might like to have the monitor power down
when you know that you won't be using it and also overnight.

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24/7 up and running.. monitor closed down when not required..
 
What will give my PC the longest life ?

How long are you planning on using this PC?

Personally, my hardware has always outlived its usefulness--that is, long
before any of the hardware actually died. I have a small pile of perfectly
functional 1, 2, 4, 10 and 20GB hard drives, among other things. They're
not even worth the power they'd draw if I put them into a machine...not to
mention anything about performance.
 
desgnr said:
What will give my PC the longest life ?
Do you leave your pc on 24/7
or shutdown every day.
If i leave it on are there any settings i should make.
Please advise ?


That really depends. Do you pay for electricity or is it included in the rent?
 
Today, desgnr made these interesting comments ...
What will give my PC the longest life ?
Do you leave your pc on 24/7
or shutdown every day.
If i leave it on are there any settings i should make.
Please advise ?
My PC has 5 - count 'em, 5 fans and its Asus motherboard came
with a neat utility running in the background that monitors all
the critical temps and will auto shut your system down -
correctly - before it fries.

All other things being equal, but they seldom are, more damage is
done to electronics by startup/shutdown electrical spikes, noise,
etc. than the loss of longevity just letting it run. I run my
24/7 and only restart Windows XP Pro SP2 if I really need to, as
in after a critical update.

One more piece of advice: invest the paltry sum of $150 or so in
an APC UPS (Uninterruptable Power Supply). This is a simple
battery backup that'll last 20-30 minutes if you take a power
hit, but it is /very/ sensitive to line transients, voltage
spikes, brown outs, very short duration black outs, etc. Where I
live, we get 2-3 browns or 5 second blacks /per week/, and I got
damn well tired of coaxing two PCs back to life after we had a
very minor dumola.

There's a simple circuit breaker powerstrip like set of plugs on
the back that'll protect sensitive equipment but not do a battery
run-on. So, I just have my PC, expensive LCD monitor and external
HD plugged into the UPS side. Protecting the PC is obvious, I
don't want to fry the monitor nor risk losing data if we get one
of our 5-10 second hits during a large write-back not physically
stored. APC comes on religiously and has saved me mucho grief on
both my 2 PCs for barely over $300.
 
Today, Will Denny made these interesting comments ...
Hi

I leave my PCs on 24/7 and only reboot them when necessary -
no problems. If you do leave the PC on 24/7 you might like to
have the monitor power down when you know that you won't be
using it and also overnight.
I do turn my 21" Samsung LCD monitor off when I'm not in front of
the PC. The LCDs do "wear out" plus it throws some heat into an
over-crowded office with only one A/C outlet. Haven't had nary a
problem with the monitor since I bought it 15 months ago, but then,
I don't just snap it on and off at random. I work until I get tired
of "mousing" (as my better half calls it), turn the monitor off and
go do something else.
 
Today, Alec S. made these interesting comments ...
That really depends. Do you pay for electricity or is it
included in the rent?
There are people who feel it a duty to be green, but as I drive a
performance car for the sheer fun of driving hot iron again 30
years after muscle cars went the way of T-Rex, I don't much care
how many extra watts my PC consumes. I /hate/ hibernation, so I
don't cotton to that, either.

And, when my home A/C comes on, my electric meter just spins wildly
so I'm not that worried about the PC power supply causing another
5-state black-out. And, compared to an expensive car, expensive
camera, eating out for dinner most nights, and other
"extravagences" (but, I don't drink and sure as hell don't do
dope!), the very mild cost hit of electricity even in the run-up
since last year isn't all that obnoxious. One has to decide if it
makes more sense to run your PC all week for the price of a cup of
latte or not ...
 
HEMI-Powered said:
Today, Alec S. made these interesting comments ...

There are people who feel it a duty to be green, but as I drive a
performance car for the sheer fun of driving hot iron again 30
years after muscle cars went the way of T-Rex, I don't much care
how many extra watts my PC consumes. I /hate/ hibernation, so I
don't cotton to that, either.

And, when my home A/C comes on, my electric meter just spins wildly
so I'm not that worried about the PC power supply causing another
5-state black-out. And, compared to an expensive car, expensive
camera, eating out for dinner most nights, and other
"extravagences" (but, I don't drink and sure as hell don't do
dope!), the very mild cost hit of electricity even in the run-up
since last year isn't all that obnoxious. One has to decide if it
makes more sense to run your PC all week for the price of a cup of
latte or not ...


Who said anything about green? I'm talking about paying for the electricity that the system uses. You may be able to afford
extravagances, but not everyone can (most can't). Price of a latte? Where the heck to you live? Either your electricity is dirt
cheap, or your lattes are freakishly expensive.

The first thing you should ask yourself when trying to decide is do you even need to? Why the heck would you leave it on 24x7? Do
you have servers running? Do you have p2p software uploading/download? Are you running some kind of calculation software like
Folding/SETI/BOINC, etc? Do you constantly render computer graphics/videos/etc? Would you leave your TV on 24x7? Would keep your
car idling 24x7? There must be a reason to leave it on and wear and tear doesn't count.

A lot of people are still stuck thinking about things the way they were in the past. Computers are not vulnerable to startups like
they used to be. It's perfectly fine to turn them off each day. I'm not saying you should turn it off every time you go to the
bathroom or get up to stretch, but each night, definitely! Similarly, monitors don't _need_ screensavers to prevent burn-in since
they are far more advanced than the kinds that used require them. Today's monitors don't burn-in.

Besides, leaving a computer on exposes it to far more damage than turning it on and off does. The wear and tear from starting up is
a drop in the ocean compared to the wear and tear of continuously running electricity, heat, spinning (incredibly fast!) discs,
lightning strikes, power outs, etc, etc, etc.


I turn my system off each night because electricity ain't cheap. The money saved by not paying for electricity to run it 24x7
(which I don't need to anyway because I'm not running servers) adds up to more than enough to replace any parts that may (but won't)
get damaged by turning it off each night. Wear and tear doesn't cause problems anywhere close to what they used to. I only leave
it on at night (and even then, I usually just set it to automatically shut off later, rarely do I leave it on throughout the night)
if I've got it busy.



Yes, turn it off at night. There is no reason to leave a system on if it's idle. You save money, you help the environment, and you
avoid damage.
 
Today, Alec S. made these interesting comments ...
Who said anything about green? I'm talking about paying for
the electricity that the system uses. You may be able to
afford extravagances, but not everyone can (most can't).
Price of a latte? Where the heck to you live? Either your
electricity is dirt cheap, or your lattes are freakishly
expensive.

I don't drink alcohol and I sure as hell don't drink $5 cups of
coffee at Starbucks, but plenty of people do, even if you cannot
afford it. I live in SE Michigan and am retired on a fixed
income, but that doesn't mean I do not enjoy the pleasures of
life avaialable to me after 40 years of working, including while
I was in H.S. and college, so don't try to make me feel guilty.

I have a 2600 sq. ft. colonial home and even in the height of the
A/C season, my electrical bill is seldom over $185, and is over
$100 in winter, mainly from running the furnace blower and
keeping lights on longer. So, I am not at all concerned about an
extra $5 for keeping my PC on 24x7. Life is simply too short not
to enjoy it.

As to "most can't afford extravagences", where do you live and
what do you do for a living? e.g., do you have a college degree,
have applied yourself to get a good, high-paying job, worked
hard, progressed through your company, and made astute
investments over lifetime? If you're some youngster, though,
who's pissed off because they can't live the good life by age 25
that it took me a lifetime of effort to attain, that is YOUR
problem, not mine.
The first thing you should ask yourself when trying to decide
is do you even need to? Why the heck would you leave it on
24x7? Do you have servers running? Do you have p2p software
uploading/download? Are you running some kind of calculation
software like Folding/SETI/BOINC, etc? Do you constantly
render computer graphics/videos/etc? Would you leave your TV
on 24x7? Would keep your car idling 24x7? There must be a
reason to leave it on and wear and tear doesn't count.

I don't /need/ to do anything except die. Everything else is a
choice. e.g., I don't /need/ a 2006 Dodge Charger 5.7L HEMI that
can do 0-60 in six flat, but I sure as hell love to drive it!
There is no way on God's green earth - or any other color - that
I am gonna drive some rice burner POS econobox to save a few
bucks/week on gas.
A lot of people are still stuck thinking about things the way
they were in the past. Computers are not vulnerable to
startups like they used to be. It's perfectly fine to turn
them off each day. I'm not saying you should turn it off
every time you go to the bathroom or get up to stretch, but
each night, definitely! Similarly, monitors don't _need_
screensavers to prevent burn-in since they are far more
advanced than the kinds that used require them. Today's
monitors don't burn-in.

I am stuck nowhere in the past, my feet are firmly planted in the
21st Century. But, you do whatever floats your boat, just don't
try to sell your morality to me, I ain't listening.
Besides, leaving a computer on exposes it to far more damage
than turning it on and off does. The wear and tear from
starting up is a drop in the ocean compared to the wear and
tear of continuously running electricity, heat, spinning
(incredibly fast!) discs, lightning strikes, power outs, etc,
etc, etc.

Horsehit! Ever heard of MTBF? These things can run reliably for
50,000 hours, surely that is enough.
I turn my system off each night because electricity ain't
cheap. The money saved by not paying for electricity to run
it 24x7 (which I don't need to anyway because I'm not running
servers) adds up to more than enough to replace any parts that
may (but won't) get damaged by turning it off each night.
Wear and tear doesn't cause problems anywhere close to what
they used to. I only leave it on at night (and even then, I
usually just set it to automatically shut off later, rarely do
I leave it on throughout the night) if I've got it busy.
Then, turn it off. I turn my TV off not because it burns juice
but because it puts heat into the house and TVs /do/ have a
finite life.
Yes, turn it off at night. There is no reason to leave a
system on if it's idle. You save money, you help the
environment, and you avoid damage.
If you haven't guessed it yet, I don't give a FF for the
environment, since 3rd World countries burning dirty coal and
misguided Europeans pollute ground water with nuclear waste. And,
no, I don't burn E-85, that's for idiots who do not understand
the laws of thermodynamics.
 
HEMI-Powered said:
I don't drink alcohol and I sure as hell don't drink $5 cups of
coffee at Starbucks, but plenty of people do, even if you cannot
afford it. I live in SE Michigan and am retired on a fixed
income, but that doesn't mean I do not enjoy the pleasures of
life avaialable to me after 40 years of working, including while
I was in H.S. and college, so don't try to make me feel guilty.

Why are you so bitter and taking this so personally? I was giving advice to the OP. Calm down!
I have a 2600 sq. ft. colonial home and even in the height of the
A/C season, my electrical bill is seldom over $185, and is over
$100 in winter, mainly from running the furnace blower and
keeping lights on longer. So, I am not at all concerned about an
extra $5 for keeping my PC on 24x7. Life is simply too short not
to enjoy it.

That's great for you. Obviously you lived your life in the past when things were easier. Today it is infinitely harder to get a
job and make a living than it was even 20 years ago.
As to "most can't afford extravagences", where do you live and
what do you do for a living? e.g., do you have a college degree,
have applied yourself to get a good, high-paying job, worked
hard, progressed through your company, and made astute
investments over lifetime? If you're some youngster, though,
who's pissed off because they can't live the good life by age 25
that it took me a lifetime of effort to attain, that is YOUR
problem, not mine.

Yes, I've got a degree. I live in Canada. Yes, I've literally worked me butt off, broken my back, and busted my hump working hard.
Yes, I've applied myself to getting a good job. However there is only so much one can do, when there is nothing available, there's
nothing available. And, it's not like I can just pack up and move either. I'm not pissed off that I can't live the good life you
took a lifetime to get by 25, I'm pissed that the human population is going up and the number of jobs is going down, which makes it
impossible for everyone to make a living. Yet, I am stuck having hope for the future even though by all counts I should not.
I don't /need/ to do anything except die. Everything else is a
choice. e.g., I don't /need/ a 2006 Dodge Charger 5.7L HEMI that
can do 0-60 in six flat, but I sure as hell love to drive it!
There is no way on God's green earth - or any other color - that
I am gonna drive some rice burner POS econobox to save a few
bucks/week on gas.

Who the Hell is talking about cars?
I am stuck nowhere in the past, my feet are firmly planted in the
21st Century. But, you do whatever floats your boat, just don't
try to sell your morality to me, I ain't listening.

"Morality"? "To you"? You might want to reread the posts. I was just giving reasonable advice to the OP.
Horsehit! Ever heard of MTBF? These things can run reliably for
50,000 hours, surely that is enough.

Um, yeah, and? You just proved my point for me, thanks! Eventually hardware will break down when used. If you keep it on 24x7,
then you will pass that barrier sooner than if you turn it off when it's not being used.
Then, turn it off. I turn my TV off not because it burns juice
but because it puts heat into the house and TVs /do/ have a
finite life.

Everything has a finite life, including computers. Why would you make an exception for them? Besides, computers put out a Hell of
a lot more heat than TVs do. (Don't talk about fans, and stuff. Cold ain't free, just because the computer's cool because you use
fans or water cooling or whatever, doesn't mean the heat it was generating disappeared into thin air, it just got transformed and
released somewhere else or some other way.)
If you haven't guessed it yet, I don't give a FF for the
environment, since 3rd World countries burning dirty coal and
misguided Europeans pollute ground water with nuclear waste. And,
no, I don't burn E-85, that's for idiots who do not understand
the laws of thermodynamics.

Well let's just hope bitter, selfish, live-for-the-moment people like you are in the minority (although I know your not.)
 
Today, Alec S. made these interesting comments ...
Why are you so bitter and taking this so personally? I was
giving advice to the OP. Calm down!

I'm not bitter, I'm happy as a clam. You attacked me, I attacked
back. Live with it.
That's great for you. Obviously you lived your life in the
past when things were easier. Today it is infinitely harder
to get a job and make a living than it was even 20 years ago.

Poor baby! Got news for you, my company is hiring engineers /today/
both experienced and entry level, salaries are what you might term
"extravagent", so don't tell me there are no jobs. Just curious,
but what degree(s) do you hold in what field(s)? None, maybe? Or,
some breadless arts shit like Business, English, Creative Studies,
Music, et al. They ain't called "breadless arts", i.e., B.A.,
degrees for nothing.
Yes, I've got a degree. I live in Canada. Yes, I've
literally worked me butt off, broken my back, and busted my
hump working hard. Yes, I've applied myself to getting a good
job. However there is only so much one can do, when there is
nothing available, there's nothing available. And, it's not
like I can just pack up and move either. I'm not pissed off
that I can't live the good life you took a lifetime to get by
25, I'm pissed that the human population is going up and the
number of jobs is going down, which makes it impossible for
everyone to make a living. Yet, I am stuck having hope for
the future even though by all counts I should not.

So, solly, you're a Canuck. Why don't you send your complaints to
that socialist woman PM you just elected, I'm sure she'll help you
out of your expensive electricity dilemma.

Canada, BTW, is not all that different than the United States in
one /really/ big regard - jobs, including high paying ones with
lots of bennies, go begging because 1, 4, 10 years ago, people like
you took the easy way out and learned what you thought would be fun
and not what the job market needed.

Let me give you a personal example:

I come from blue collar stock, so I knew that the best I could
expect was my parents to /help/ me get through college, so as a
H.S. Junior, I asked my counselor to give me a list of the top 10
jobs in the U.S. then - that was 1963 - in decreasing order by
starting salary with just a bachelors degree. The hard sciences
were at the top, the liberal arts crap was at the bottom, just as I
expected. Of what I liked, engineering was by far the most
lucrative, so that's what I chose. Six years later, after some
fearfully tough competitition for grades - and jobs - I landed
myself a good job.

Ain't nuttin' changed since then. The time to think about your
life's calling isn't now, it was a /minumum/ of 4 years ago, maybe
8 if you count taking the right curriculum in H.S.

Don't insult my intelligence with crap about the population going
up but jobs going down. Get off your dead ass, retrain yourself,
relocate to some other city or even some other country, and get on
with living the rest of your life. The Chinese say that a journey
of 1,000 miles starts with a single step, and the old salesman's
acronym - YCDBSOYA (You Can't Do Business Sitting On Your Ass)
still applies. So, stop crying in the beer you can't afford to buy,
get off your duff and get moving! And, leave your problems at the
border, I ain't interested.
Who the Hell is talking about cars?

It is an analogy or metaphor to illustrate unnecessary-but-fun ways
to spends lots of money.
"Morality"? "To you"? You might want to reread the posts. I
was just giving reasonable advice to the OP.

No, you weren't, you were lecturing me about being green and about
how much money I was wasting running my PC 24x7. Let me see if I
have this right: I earned it, I spend it as I please, so what's
your beef, with or without the OP?
Um, yeah, and? You just proved my point for me, thanks!
Eventually hardware will break down when used. If you keep it
on 24x7, then you will pass that barrier sooner than if you
turn it off when it's not being used.

You're an obvious idiot or troll - there's only 8760 hours in a
year, so with a MTBF of 50,000 hours, my PC can be expected to run
for - you ready for this? - 5.7 years, beyond its useful
technological life.
Everything has a finite life, including computers. Why would
you make an exception for them? Besides, computers put out a
Hell of a lot more heat than TVs do. (Don't talk about fans,
and stuff. Cold ain't free, just because the computer's cool
because you use fans or water cooling or whatever, doesn't
mean the heat it was generating disappeared into thin air, it
just got transformed and released somewhere else or some other
way.)

I am a pragmatist, read what I said about engineers, they are the
greatest pragmatists on earth. So, I conserve what makes sense, use
what makes sense to me as to how I want to use it, and waste what I
don't care about.

I can sure tell you aren't an engineer. My PC gives off more BTUs
than my 48" rear projection TV? Get real! Yeah, I know cold ain't
free, but get this through your sorry ass brain if you can - the
guy with the most toys when he dies wins the game, and you can't
take it with you. So, I spend it now for what pleases me and to
hell with you. My daughter sounds just like you and I am certainly
not going to reward her "woe is me" lifestyle with a large
inheritance.

When I got married, I almost literally had a zero bank balance.
Less than a year later, I'd paid off my car and put a 15% down
payment down on a 1650 sq. ft house. There ain't no magic to this,
it is called plain hard work, thrift for what is important to
accomplish a goal - which for my wife and I was a house - and
astute investing.
Well let's just hope bitter, selfish, live-for-the-moment
people like you are in the minority (although I know your
not.)
I am NOT bitter, but you clearly are. And, you're not only green
for the environment, you're green with something else - it is
called envy or jealousy. I have it, you don't, you want it, but you
can't have it. Learn to live with disappointment. I don't know how
old you are, nor do I care, but you are in for a LOT of
dissapointment staying in a socialist state that by your own
admission is going to hell in a handbasket.

And, numb nuts, your 15 minutes are up. Bye!
 
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