What is a Pentium 4 "516"?

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This system:

http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_T5010

uses the 516 processor. I can't find that on Intel's site, which I
assume means it's no longer made. Could someone tell me where the 516
fits in the Intel line? Socket? Hyperthreading? Upgradeable to dual
core later? Whatever else I should know.

Also, the chipset is Intel 915GV. From what I've found, the "V" seems
to mean that you CANNOT upgrade to a separate video card. Is that
right?
 
Peabody said:
This system:

http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_T5010

uses the 516 processor. I can't find that on Intel's site, which I
assume means it's no longer made. Could someone tell me where the 516
fits in the Intel line? Socket? Hyperthreading? Upgradeable to dual
core later? Whatever else I should know.
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Looks like old(ish) crap. It will probably get murdered by an Athlon64.

http://developer.intel.com/products/processor_number/proc_info_table080905.pdf

Pentium 4 516
90nm, LGA775
1 MB L2 Cache
2.93 GHz
FSB 533 MHz
Dual-core: No
VT: No
HT: No
EIST: No
EM64T: Yes
NX: Yes
 
This system:

http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_T5010

uses the 516 processor. I can't find that on Intel's site, which I
assume means it's no longer made.
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This looks like some chip that Intel makes mainly for the OEM market.
It's also only listed in the newest of Intel's processor tables, which
isn't even properly linked on their website (only way I could find a
link to it is with a Google search!). This actually suggests that
this is quite a new product.
Could someone tell me where the 516 fits in the Intel line?
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Judging from other 5x6 chips in Intel's line-up, I would say that it
has the following features:

2.93GHz
533MT/s bus speed
1MB L2 cache
64-bit x86-64 capable
Hyperthreading
Execute Disable bit
Does not support EIST (power saving feature)

Ohh, and it's definitely going to be a Socket 775 (aka Socket T) chip.
Socket? Hyperthreading? Upgradeable to dual
core later? Whatever else I should know.
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Dual-core upgradable is dependant on the chipset, and unfortunately in
this case, the answer to that one is no.
Also, the chipset is Intel 915GV. From what I've found, the "V" seems
to mean that you CANNOT upgrade to a separate video card. Is that
right?
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That is correct. Intel's 'GV' chipsets are their "value" chipsets
that do not have any PCI-Express 16x or AGP slots on board.

Anyway, the system looks like a decent low-end/entry level model. You
can find other systems from the likes of HP and Dell for similar
price, but it's tough to get one from them with both a 64-bit
processor and a hard drive in that size (200GB is quite a large drive
for an entry-level system).

If 64-bit capabilities aren't a bit worry for you (personally I think
it's a smart bet to get a 64-bit chip at this stage), or if you don't
need as large of a hard drive then you might want to shop around a bit
more, you might find some better deals.

Of course, eMachine's own T6412 is probably a better option for the
same price:

http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_T6412

The specs between the T5010 that you mentioned and the T6412 are
nearly the same except that the latter has a faster processor
(Athlon64 3000+ should beat out a P4 516 in just about every test and
consume less power to boot), better integrated video (ATI Radeon
Xpress 200 vs. Intel's GMA 900) and comes with a PCI-Express 16x slot
in case you want to upgrade the video card later.
 
Tony Hill says...
Judging from other 5x6 chips in Intel's line-up, I would
say that it has the following features:
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2.93GHz
533MT/s bus speed
1MB L2 cache
64-bit x86-64 capable
Hyperthreading
Execute Disable bit
Does not support EIST (power saving feature)
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I can't find it now, but I found it in a table somewhere
that said it does not have hyperthreading.
Dual-core upgradable is dependant on the chipset, and
unfortunately in this case, the answer to that one is
no.
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That is correct. Intel's 'GV' chipsets are their
"value" chipsets that do not have any PCI-Express 16x or
AGP slots on board.
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Well, I can't see any point in buying this. It's not
upgradeable in any sense - a dead end.
Of course, eMachine's own T6412 is probably a better
option for the same price:
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Yes, or even this one for $100 more:

http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_T6524

I believe the 3400+ processor in the T6412 is a socket 754,
which would not be upgradeable. But the 3500+ should be a
Venice chip, socket 939, dual channel ram, SSE3, etc. If
so, it might be upgradeable later to dual core, if the ATI
RS482 chipset will permit that.

It also would give me Media Center XP, and a full 1 gig of
ram. Office Depot has the 6524 in a package with CRT
monitor and printer for $559 after rebates. That might be
worth looking at.

I was also thinking that with the MCE 2005 O/S, eventually
there might be an affordable All-in-Wonder type card for
PCIe that would give me both a real video card and the TV
tuner functions.

Thanks for your help, Tony. I just hope I'm not pulling the
trigger too early on this switch from Win98SE. Actually, if
I wait a while longer, I might be able to skip XP
altogether.
 
*That's* where I saw it. :-)

Sorry, I just couldn't remember where I got the link, and there it was right
under my nose.

Thanks


Grumble says...
 
Tony Hill says...



I can't find it now, but I found it in a table somewhere
that said it does not have hyperthreading.
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Hmm, looking at Grumble's chart I would say that you are indeed
correct, no Hyperthreading in the thing.
Well, I can't see any point in buying this. It's not
upgradeable in any sense - a dead end.
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As are virtually all OEM systems sold these days. The simple fact of
the matter is that the VAST majority of people (particularly those
buying OEM systems) never upgrade their computer, so this isn't really
a big loss.
Yes, or even this one for $100 more:

http://www.emachines.com/products/products.html?prod=eMachines_T6524

I believe the 3400+ processor in the T6412 is a socket 754,
which would not be upgradeable. But the 3500+ should be a
Venice chip, socket 939, dual channel ram, SSE3, etc. If
so, it might be upgradeable later to dual core, if the ATI
RS482 chipset will permit that.
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The RS482 chipset can indeed support dual-core chips, though whether
or not the actual system board (and power supply!) in the eMachines
T6524 will support the chips is another question altogether.
It also would give me Media Center XP, and a full 1 gig of
ram. Office Depot has the 6524 in a package with CRT
monitor and printer for $559 after rebates. That might be
worth looking at.
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Yup, the 6524 is quite a step up from either of the two other systems
for only $100 more.
I was also thinking that with the MCE 2005 O/S, eventually
there might be an affordable All-in-Wonder type card for
PCIe that would give me both a real video card and the TV
tuner functions.
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Probably. Such cards already exists are higher price-points, so it's
just a matter of time before they come down in cost. In fact, the
All-in-Wonder X600Pro is selling for only $165 at Newegg now, not at
all unreasonable for a card with that sort of capabilities.
Thanks for your help, Tony. I just hope I'm not pulling the
trigger too early on this switch from Win98SE. Actually, if
I wait a while longer, I might be able to skip XP
altogether.
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Ugg, still running Win98SE?!? I don't think you could possibly be
pulling the switch any later! As others in this newsgroup can attest,
I was VERY disappointed in Win9x (only ran it for about 2 years and
used Linux almost as often during that timeframe). In my mind the
correct time to switch was April 2000 when Microsoft released their
first proper OS (Win2K). Everything after that has been a question of
waiting too long. However that's just my opinion of things.

As for waiting a while longer, you're looking at least another year
before Longhorn hits retail shelves, and probably another year after
that before it's stable (Win2K was the only Microsoft OS which I
trusted more than it's predecessor out of the box, though that was
mostly due to my rather low opinion of WinNT 4.0 and especially
Win98). I wouldn't recommend worrying much about Longhorn until
mid-2007.

A slightly more immediate concern might be WinXP 32-bit vs. 64-bit, as
the latter is available now but not sold with most OEM systems.
Unfortunately there is no 64-bit version of either XP Home or Media
Center Edition, only 64-bit XP Pro. Still, I don't think that this is
a big worry, 64-bit applications are VERY rare at this time and are
mainly useful for the workstation world at this time.
 
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