What does "ignore" mean?

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Sunbelt Software's president, Alex Eckelberry, gives his view:
http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2005/07/so-just-what-does-ignore-mean.html

"In the antispyware business, there has to be a strong, central
philosophy that flows throughout the organization. That philosophy
usually comes from one or two people. Obviously, the problem at
Microsoft is that they have competed" [sic...competing??] "demands
in the organization -- Legal wanting to stay out of lawsuits, MSN
trying to make a business in online marketing and the antispyware
people trying to make a good antispyware product."

Bob Vanderveen
 
After serious thinking Anonymous Bob wrote :
Legal wanting to stay out of lawsuits, MSN
trying to make a business in online marketing and the antispyware
people trying to make a good antispyware product."
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"Mission impossible" for MS ............ :-?

Well, I have 3 days left on my Counterspy trial
and maybe its worth $20 to avoid this MS mess.

;) Great blog !
 
Interesting read.

I notice that Sunbelt is not a member of the Antispyware Coalition.

He rails against standards, and objective criteria, but then goes on at the
end to assure spyware vendors that they will always get "fair and just"
treatment from him.

I'm having trouble seeing the deep philosophical divide for the marketing
hype, I think.

I doubt that his lawyers are significantly different from Microsofts, but
I'll certainly concede that he doesn't have MSN on his hands.
 
reluctantly top posted to avoid confusion <bEg>

All good points, Bill. ;-)

Bob Vanderveen

Bill Sanderson said:
Interesting read.

I notice that Sunbelt is not a member of the Antispyware Coalition.

He rails against standards, and objective criteria, but then goes on at the
end to assure spyware vendors that they will always get "fair and just"
treatment from him.

I'm having trouble seeing the deep philosophical divide for the marketing
hype, I think.

I doubt that his lawyers are significantly different from Microsofts, but
I'll certainly concede that he doesn't have MSN on his hands.
--

Anonymous Bob said:
Sunbelt Software's president, Alex Eckelberry, gives his view:
http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2005/07/so-just-what-does-ignore-mean.html

"In the antispyware business, there has to be a strong, central
philosophy that flows throughout the organization. That philosophy
usually comes from one or two people. Obviously, the problem at
Microsoft is that they have competed" [sic...competing??] "demands
in the organization -- Legal wanting to stay out of lawsuits, MSN
trying to make a business in online marketing and the antispyware
people trying to make a good antispyware product."

Bob Vanderveen
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Bill Sanderson submitted this idea :
Interesting read.
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Yes, "Bulls eye"..........
I notice that Sunbelt is not a member of the Antispyware Coalition.

http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2005/06/new-antispyware-coalition.html


He rails against standards, and objective criteria, but then goes on at the
end to assure spyware vendors that they will always get "fair and just"
treatment from him.

I'm having trouble seeing the deep philosophical divide for the marketing
hype, I think.
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No need for that:

"If you're stupid enough not to be able to tell the difference between
an ad-supported copy of Eudora and Hotbar, well get out of the
business. It's adware. Period."

--
plun


I doubt that his lawyers are significantly different from Microsofts, but
I'll certainly concede that he doesn't have MSN on his hands.
--

Anonymous Bob said:
Sunbelt Software's president, Alex Eckelberry, gives his view:
http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2005/07/so-just-what-does-ignore-mean.html

"In the antispyware business, there has to be a strong, central
philosophy that flows throughout the organization. That philosophy
usually comes from one or two people. Obviously, the problem at
Microsoft is that they have competed" [sic...competing??] "demands
in the organization -- Legal wanting to stay out of lawsuits, MSN
trying to make a business in online marketing and the antispyware
people trying to make a good antispyware product."

Bob Vanderveen
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Hmm - so Counterspy detects Eudora (free version)? I hope the default is
"ignore!"

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plun said:
Bill Sanderson submitted this idea :
Interesting read.
Click to expand...

Yes, "Bulls eye"..........
I notice that Sunbelt is not a member of the Antispyware Coalition.

http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2005/06/new-antispyware-coalition.html


He rails against standards, and objective criteria, but then goes on at
the end to assure spyware vendors that they will always get "fair and
just" treatment from him.

I'm having trouble seeing the deep philosophical divide for the marketing
hype, I think.
Click to expand...

No need for that:

"If you're stupid enough not to be able to tell the difference between an
ad-supported copy of Eudora and Hotbar, well get out of the business. It's
adware. Period."

--
plun


I doubt that his lawyers are significantly different from Microsofts, but
I'll certainly concede that he doesn't have MSN on his hands.
--

Anonymous Bob said:
Sunbelt Software's president, Alex Eckelberry, gives his view:
http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2005/07/so-just-what-does-ignore-mean.html

"In the antispyware business, there has to be a strong, central
philosophy that flows throughout the organization. That philosophy
usually comes from one or two people. Obviously, the problem at
Microsoft is that they have competed" [sic...competing??] "demands
in the organization -- Legal wanting to stay out of lawsuits, MSN
trying to make a business in online marketing and the antispyware
people trying to make a good antispyware product."

Bob Vanderveen
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Bill Sanderson said:
Interesting read.

I notice that Sunbelt is not a member of the Antispyware Coalition.

He rails against standards, and objective criteria, but then goes on at
the end to assure spyware vendors that they will always get "fair and
just" treatment from him.

I'm having trouble seeing the deep philosophical divide for the marketing
hype, I think.
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==> Of course there's marketing hype that's part of the author's job. Maybe
this will help. 1 of the members of the new Anti Spyware Coalition is;

Aluria software; http://www.aluriasoftware.com/
producers of Spyware Eliminator http://www.aluriasoftware.com/ which got
pretty good reviews from; Top 10 Reviews
<http://anti-spyware-review.toptenreviews.com/?ttreng=1&ttrkey=aluria>
Adware Report <
http://www.adwarereport.com/mt/archives/000004.html?gcid=S14084x001-adware&keyword=aluria&code=yes>
Spyware-reviews,
<http://www.spyware-reviews.com/yware-Reviews>

Aluria Software and WhenU
see; "Eighty-Seven Percent of WhenU Users Are Unaware They Are Using It"
http://www.pcpitstop.com/spycheck/whenu.asp
or the old news about Aluria ( an AS vendor) combining with When U, a
purveyor of nasties, and then delisting When U from their defs.
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11723816~mode=flat

When U claims to have cleaned up their act and some AS vendors have
delisted or downgraded WhenU ignoring the fact that older versions of When
U are still out there being downloaded.
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1706659,00.asp

The inclusion of organizations in their membership who have a history of
writing/spreading some of the nasties that AS hunts down is akin to the
Fox/Chickens scenario and is the primary reason the old AntiSpyware
Coalition folded.

There is a philosophical divide. There is a difference between security
applications and the rest of the software world. If an AS loses credibility
or even causes its users to suspect its actions or motivations are less
than transparent then it won't be trusted. We are all used to applications
that crash or otherwise fail to meet our expectations but ALL security apps
have to meet a higher standard of trust. Our privacy, equipment, security
and, in some many instances, identity and money depend upon them to be not
just accurate and effective but above board and transparent as well.

Would you allow a once convicted hacker to work in your IT department?
Well, that's what organizations like When U are. They're simply hackers
doing their thing publicly and making big $$$ while they're at it. First
they wanted an aura of legitimacy and now they want to help write the
definitions that will, no doubt, be lobbied into Federal Law. Thereby
providing legitimacy to working around these definitions in order to
continue their hacking.

That, sir, <G> is the philosophical divide.
 
There is another divide: some companies thrive on making adware or malware,
others on fighting it.
Without adware and malware part of the industry vanishes.
With or without adware, the consumer pays.
It's still a crazy world.

Jan
 
;)

No it´s a big difference between Hotbar and Eudora, thats his point.
Or MSN Messenger and Hotbar. If you cannot see this difference get
out of antispyware business.

It is easy, you recieve your advertisment in "windows" inside webpages
or in "adwindows" within apps as Opera, Eudora and thats enough.

All other ways is spyware if something is transmitted back.

Really easy. And I really hope that Sunbelt/Counterspy, Evido etc
stays out of the coalition and fight for this.

We also have a big antispyware community which will go against every
try to make some spyware to good ones.

http://www.merijn.org/forums.html

And these forums will hunt MS every time they try to go around
something thats transmitts AD information from a user to a server.

Thats it ! Hopefully MS also understands this.

--
plun


Bill Sanderson wrote on 2005-07-17 :
Hmm - so Counterspy detects Eudora (free version)? I hope the default is
"ignore!"

--

plun said:
Bill Sanderson submitted this idea :
Interesting read.
Click to expand...

Yes, "Bulls eye"..........
I notice that Sunbelt is not a member of the Antispyware Coalition.

http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2005/06/new-antispyware-coalition.html


He rails against standards, and objective criteria, but then goes on at
the end to assure spyware vendors that they will always get "fair and
just" treatment from him.

I'm having trouble seeing the deep philosophical divide for the marketing
hype, I think.
Click to expand...

No need for that:

"If you're stupid enough not to be able to tell the difference between an
ad-supported copy of Eudora and Hotbar, well get out of the business. It's
adware. Period."

--
plun


I doubt that his lawyers are significantly different from Microsofts, but
I'll certainly concede that he doesn't have MSN on his hands.
--

Sunbelt Software's president, Alex Eckelberry, gives his view:
http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2005/07/so-just-what-does-ignore-mean.html

"In the antispyware business, there has to be a strong, central
philosophy that flows throughout the organization. That philosophy
usually comes from one or two people. Obviously, the problem at
Microsoft is that they have competed" [sic...competing??] "demands
in the organization -- Legal wanting to stay out of lawsuits, MSN
trying to make a business in online marketing and the antispyware
people trying to make a good antispyware product."

Bob Vanderveen
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Hello Plun,

wait a bid, I believe your running PC-cillin 2005?
I try the internet antyspy:
http://www.trendmicro.com/spyware-scan/
Found some things that 2005 not found, so give them a E-mail telling
that spywarescan on the internet found more and the give me the next day
a reply:
The bye a firm that make the internet version and the are planning it to
build those things in an update of PC-cillin 2005.

http://nl.trendmicro-europe.com/enterprise/about_us/spresse.php?lstPages=2&id=341

With regards >*< TOM >*<




plun schreef:
 
Hi Tom

I am running PC cillin beacuse of a good
virusengine and a working firewall. It also
takes small resources from my PCs.

For spyware I know there is much better tools then
TrendMicro and also that they bought Intermute
including CWShredder.

You can download CWShredder from Housecall.
http://housecall.trendmicro.com/

This was my background about PCcillin, TrendMicro is also a partner
within this antispyware coalition which probably
will make some adware "friendly", I will never accept it !

So I hope that Sunbelt/Counterspy, Ewido hopefully some more stays out
of this deal about friendly ad/spyware and removes everything that
transmitts data to a ADserver. I can recieve advertisment within
webpages but thats all.

But for future it is only to follow Merijn´s recommended forums
and Spywarewarrior so I know what application to choose.

http://www.merijn.org/forums.html

http://www.spywarewarrior.com/

So I believe and others I discussed this with that TrendMicro and the
other within this coalition will follow MS and therefore other tools
will be needed.

:oÞ
 
Hello Plun,

thanks for the info.
At this time Claria still wiped out by PC-Cillin, even before MSAS saw
it, so you think the next time it may stay on my PC from PC-cillin?
I realy don't hoppe so, but after reading the Anti-Spyware Testing:
Results # 6, I think I need some more programs to protect me!!!!

Regards >*< TOM >*<

plun schreef:
 
Tom Emmelot expressed precisely :
Hi
Hello Plun,

thanks for the info.
At this time Claria still wiped out by PC-Cillin, even before MSAS saw it, so
you think the next time it may stay on my PC from PC-cillin?
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Yes probably, this AD lobby is working really hard to make
these kind of ad/spyware legitimate. Lavasoft was in a storm
last winter about WhenU and that was the start for this.

And it is big money involved...............
I realy don't hoppe so, but after reading the Anti-Spyware Testing:
Results # 6, I think I need some more programs to protect me!!!!
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Well, I tries to minimize amount of programs ;)

I have one day left with Counterspy ;) so probably I
goes back to MSAS for a while a see how the "Ignore"
process goes ;)

What is your opinion about Hitman Pro ?

http://www.hitmanpro.nl/

Also a free tool not connected to any AD coalition !
 
plun wrote :
http://www.hitmanpro.nl/
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Hehe :oÞ

I tested Hitman Pro and if you need more programs and
protection download it............ :')

Never seen so many programs against spyware at the same time.
Hitman Pro downloads them all. Lavasoft Adware, Spybot, Spyware doctor,
Spysweeper, CWS shredder mm mmm

Then it starts scanning with Hitman followed with Adaware

:') :') :')

I am totally out of control........... ;)
Hitmans script is running
 
plun has brought this to us :

Results ! Hitman Pro ;) Nothing for a newbie........!
No report from Hitman beacuse Spywaredoctor hanged .

This PC must be clean now ;)

Adaware
Tracking Cookies

Spybot
Wild tangent

Spywaredoctor
More Tracking cookies

Spysweeper !!!

00:11: Found Adware: cydoor
00:11:
HKU\WRSS_Profile_S-1-5-21-2038945071-2942328611-1021817841-1007\software\cydoor\
(331 subtraces) (ID = 670243)
00:11:
HKU\WRSS_Profile_S-1-5-21-2038945071-2942328611-1021817841-1007\software\cydoor
services\ (10 subtraces) (ID = 670244)
00:11: Found Adware: hotbar
00:11:
HKU\WRSS_Profile_S-1-5-21-2038945071-2942328611-1021817841-1006\software\hotbar\
(4 subtraces) (ID = 673185)
00:11:
HKU\WRSS_Profile_S-1-5-21-2038945071-2942328611-1021817841-1008\software\hotbar\
(4 subtraces) (ID = 673185)
00:11:
HKU\S-1-5-21-2038945071-2942328611-1021817841-1005\software\microsoft\internet
explorer\toolbar\shellbrowser\ ||
{b195b3b3-8a05-11d3-97a4-0004aca6948e} (ID = 673205)
00:11:
HKU\WRSS_Profile_S-1-5-21-2038945071-2942328611-1021817841-1006\software\microsoft\internet
explorer\toolbar\shellbrowser\ ||
{b195b3b3-8a05-11d3-97a4-0004aca6948e} (ID = 673205)
00:11:
HKU\WRSS_Profile_S-1-5-21-2038945071-2942328611-1021817841-1007\software\microsoft\internet
explorer\toolbar\shellbrowser\ ||
{b195b3b3-8a05-11d3-97a4-0004aca6948e} (ID = 673205)
00:11:
HKU\WRSS_Profile_S-1-5-21-2038945071-2942328611-1021817841-1008\software\microsoft\internet
explorer\toolbar\shellbrowser\ ||
{b195b3b3-8a05-11d3-97a4-0004aca6948e} (ID = 673205)
00:11: Found System Monitor: sturfajtn_1
00:11:
HKU\WRSS_Profile_S-1-5-21-2038945071-2942328611-1021817841-1007\software\microsoft\windows\currentversion\run\
|| system (ID = 688482)
00:11: Found Trojan Horse: trojan-backdoor-pmrk
00:11:
HKU\WRSS_Profile_S-1-5-21-2038945071-2942328611-1021817841-1007\software\microsoft\windows\currentversion\run\
|| system (ID = 689670)
00:11: Found Adware: abetterinternet
00:11:
HKU\WRSS_Profile_S-1-5-21-2038945071-2942328611-1021817841-1006\software\microsoft\internet
explorer\explorer bars\{30d02401-6a81-11d0-8274-00c04fd5ae38}\ (1
subtraces) (ID = 691337)
00:11: Registry Sweep Complete, Elapsed Time:00:00:20
 
Hello Plun,

I used it for one weekthan i had some problems with other programs, so
stopt it!
I use now:
PC-cillin 2005
Adaware
SB S&D
MSAS
Also use Firefox and Mozilla Thunderbird,
The most things are blockt/Delete by PC-Cillin
MSA finds normal nothing (if i surf straigt)
Some Cookies Adaware
Same for SP S&D but i use that more for the Imuninize option.

Regards >*< TOM >*<


plun schreef:
 
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