Wanted: Dos utils

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Dos-Man

Hi, does anyone know of MS-DOS defrag and scandisk replacements?
The windows versions of these programs are getting on my nerves.

Also looking for an MS-DOS editor under 20K to put on my system disk.
Doesn't have to be able to edit anything larger than 32k.

dos-man
 
Hi, does anyone know of MS-DOS defrag and scandisk replacements?
The windows versions of these programs are getting on my nerves.

Also looking for an MS-DOS editor under 20K to put on my system disk.
Doesn't have to be able to edit anything larger than 32k.

dos-man
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You can get a mountain of DOS freeware here:
http://members.cox.net/dos/
 
Dos-Man said:
Hi, does anyone know of MS-DOS defrag and scandisk replacements?
The windows versions of these programs are getting on my nerves.

Also looking for an MS-DOS editor under 20K to put on my system disk.
Doesn't have to be able to edit anything larger than 32k.
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AFAIK the command line verison of scandisk will work fine from a dos prompt.
Just start scandisk from DOS. To defrag you run the risk of killing long
file names so as far as I know you can't really do this from DOS. I tried
this once when Win'95 first came out and tried to use a DSO defragger with
LFNBK. It wasn't 100% correct, so it's of little use. At this time I would
recommend not using any defragger from DOS unless it specifically supports
the file system you are using and long file names.

The only editor I've been able to find that fits your description is EDLIN,
from previous DOS versions. It weighs in at about 13K and can be upx'ed down
to about 10K. As far as a line editor goes it's very useful. I used to use
it all the time back in the DOS 3 days and found it very useful for editing
startup files. Not really freeware as you need an older version of DOS.
Sorry.
HK
 
Hi;
If you "hit" on the 1.44mb limit of a single floppy then why don't you
consider a 2 disk set?

From Microsoft and at 69kb, it's still "edit.com".
No weirdnesses in it.
Mikey
 
Dos-Man said:
Hi, does anyone know of MS-DOS defrag and scandisk replacements?

Also looking for an MS-DOS editor under 20K to put on my system disk.
Doesn't have to be able to edit anything larger than 32k.
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Defrag and Scandisk programs for FAT-32 or NTFS may be difficult.
Norton has Disk Doctor for Windows, and ChkDsk works for MSDOS
to 98SE .. but, for ME and up ... dunno what might be found. There is
a freeware ScanDiskPro, but it has problems with C: drive scans, at least
on my ME computer. Speed for all other drives is lightning compared to
Scandisk.

Now, on the subject of SMALL programs for DOS. You asked about
a small editor. I know of an early AEdit that is quite good. But, the
a-b-s-o-l-u-t-e microsized editor I have *ever* seen or heard of is ..
TEdit which crunched to 2866 bytes, and works very well, including
Print, Cut, Paste, and Find support .. and works in all versions of Windows
(I operate them all).
 
H-Man said:
AFAIK the command line verison of scandisk will work fine from a dos prompt.
Just start scandisk from DOS. To defrag you run the risk of killing long
file names so as far as I know you can't really do this from DOS. I tried
this once when Win'95 first came out and tried to use a DSO defragger with
LFNBK. It wasn't 100% correct, so it's of little use. At this time I would
recommend not using any defragger from DOS unless it specifically supports
the file system you are using and long file names.

The only editor I've been able to find that fits your description is EDLIN,
from previous DOS versions. It weighs in at about 13K and can be upx'ed down
to about 10K. As far as a line editor goes it's very useful. I used to use
it all the time back in the DOS 3 days and found it very useful for editing
startup files. Not really freeware as you need an older version of DOS.
Sorry.
HK
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I was going to post a no EDLIN wisecracks statement in my original post, but
I never got around to it :)

But since your apparently serious, all I can say is 98 didn't come with
EDLIN so I can't use it even if I wanted to :(

dos-man
 
Also looking for an MS-DOS editor under 20K to put on my system disk.
Doesn't have to be able to edit anything larger than 32k.
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[...]
Now, on the subject of SMALL programs for DOS. You asked about
a small editor. I know of an early AEdit that is quite good. But, the
a-b-s-o-l-u-t-e microsized editor I have *ever* seen or heard of is ..
TEdit which crunched to 2866 bytes, and works very well, including
Print, Cut, Paste, and Find support .. and works in all versions of Windows
(I operate them all).
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Are you talking about: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ferguson/freeware/te17.zip ?
Anyway. For a boot disk I'd strongly advise sth. a bit larger but with
lots more functions. Look here:

http://www.enlight.ru/qview/download.htm

BeAr
 
[...]
Also looking for an MS-DOS editor under 20K to put on my system disk.
Doesn't have to be able to edit anything larger than 32k.
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You might like Ted, which I guess is short for Tiny Editor.
Latest version I've seen came in ted102.zip. Extract from the
readme file:

*****

(TED version 1.02 notes)

Files included:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
README.1st 5552 bytes - this file.
TED.COM 6442 bytes - standard version 1.02 of TED.
TEDM.COM 6568 bytes - TED 1.02 for mail (this was
called TED4MAIL in 1.01)
TCONFIG.EXE 10241 bytes - configuration program for
either version of TED 1.02
COPYING 18294 bytes - the GNU licence doc.


Description:
~~~~~~~~~~~~
This version of TED is very similar to the existing version 1.01
the main improvement being the ability to specify the column at
which text will wrap to the next line. The existing version
wraps text at the 'screen width' (generally 80 characters though
40 or 132 are possible).
*****

Unfortunately, I can't find this on the web but can upload it to
any site someone suggests (it's freeware).

A later and different version is Ted 3.0 which has fattened up to
12k yet has no wordwrap:

<ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/mirrors/simtelnet/msdos/editor/ted3.zip>


Another version is available at

<ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/ibmpc/dos/apps/editors/sted104.zip>

The same directory has a selection of other editors and the
source code for yet another version

<ftp://ftp.demon.co.uk/pub/ibmpc/dos/apps/editors/ted-102s.zip>
 
Dos-Man said:
(e-mail address removed)>...

The problem with mountains is you have to climb them if you
want to get anywhere :)

I prefer to post and let others do the work.
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I prefer to sit on my arse and let you post. :-)
 
But since your apparently serious, all I can say is 98 didn't come with
EDLIN so I can't use it even if I wanted to :(
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Everything you wanted to know about EDLIN:
http://www.computerhope.com/edlin.htm

"The edlin command is external command and is available in

MS-DOS 5.0 and below
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows NT
Windows 2000
Windows XP"

You can download it at this site (as well as learn yet more of
everything you wanted to know about EDLIN...)
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/alrobin2/home/edlin/

Download page (read the explanation, it's also useful for other
purposes)
http://filebox.vt.edu/users/alrobin2/home/edlin/download.html

It's also found in the Microsoft DOS 6 supplement disk package, but
that version will only run on DOS 6.x.
 
X-No-Archive: yes

But since your apparently serious, all I can say is 98 didn't come with
EDLIN so I can't use it even if I wanted to :(
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If you want I can send you two editors, less that 4k and 16k. They are
in my archives and I do not know where I got them from.

Can your email id in the headers receive attachments?
 
Thanks! This is perfect!

The other one is too big. Space is at a premium on my
custom-made system disk.
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You are welcome! I still think qview the best choice for a boot disk.
Have you tried its features?

- text editor
- hex editor
- disk editor (physical / logical)
- memory editor (first 1 MByte)
- disassembler
- calculator
- cryptor / decryptor
- viewer for exe-header
- ...

Drop one of your other stuff if qview doesn't fit! ;-)

Best wishes
BeAr
 
Hi, does anyone know of MS-DOS defrag and scandisk replacements?
The windows versions of these programs are getting on my nerves.
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1) Which version of Windows are you running?
2) Which file system(s) are you using on your hard drive: FAT16, FAT32
or NTFS? (In Explorer, right-click the drive icon and click
"properties").
 
Mark Blain said:
http://members.cox.net/dos/txted01.htm#small
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On this page find SLED:
http://users.aol.com/jennnetics/sled.zip
<q>The 17.6K SLED offers a surprising variety of features not present
in many larger editors (e.g., loads files as large as available
conventional memory, word wrap, reformat, multiple files, auto-indent,
directory listing). Maybe the most feature-packed editor for its size.
Author: Sam Wilmott, Canada (1987)</q>

Used it even before I knew my Canadian wife :)

Greetings, Peter Passchier
 
B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson said:
You are welcome! I still think qview the best choice for a boot disk.
Have you tried its features?

- text editor
- hex editor
- disk editor (physical / logical)
- memory editor (first 1 MByte)
- disassembler
- calculator
- cryptor / decryptor
- viewer for exe-header
- ...

Drop one of your other stuff if qview doesn't fit! ;-)

Best wishes
BeAr
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Well, I already have EDIT.COM in a zip file so I can't really afford another
large executable editor on the floppy. Plus, I see no real reason for
any of those features (other than possibly disk editor) on an emergency
rescue editor. Mainly it's just for editing autoexec and config, INIs, and
viewing logs.

Thanks again,
dos-man
 
On that special day, Dos-Man, ([email protected]) said...
Well, I already have EDIT.COM in a zip file so I can't really afford another
large executable editor on the floppy. Plus, I see no real reason for
any of those features (other than possibly disk editor) on an emergency
rescue editor. Mainly it's just for editing autoexec and config, INIs, and
viewing logs.
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Um; Don't you have any olde File Manager of the Norton Commander style?
They often come with a plain text editor.

I haven't been using it for a long time, but you can still find the
Universal File Operator (UFO 96), which was openly abandoned and made
freeware in IIRC 1999. Not quite Y2K ready, but good for old Dos files.

http://home.arcor.de/albu/download/pictv194.zip

The site is in German, but the short texts shouldn't be a problem for
Babelfish. There is a 665 byte (!) keyboard driver, and a 15 kb small
editor, too. Maybe this will help you out.


Gabriele Neukam

(e-mail address removed)
 
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