Waking up second pair of IDE slots.

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Richard Brooks

[ VIA chipset, 694D Pro(MS-6321) ]

I've got a motherboard with four IDE slots. Slots 3 & 4 are ATA100 and the
manual says that "Installing the Master Hard Disk into the third IDE
connector (ATA100) enables this feature."

Does it bollocks!

Swapping the drives over to the second pair of IDE slots just makes the
machine act as though there are no drives and no 'mass storage device' shows
up in 'System> Device Manager>devices' and installing the Ultra100 drivers
doesn't happen.

Anyone got any ideas ?

Many thanks,


Richard Brooks.
 
I did this once. I think the answer was that you have to install the
operating system on that slot. You can't install it on one and move it to
another. I also was amazed that your name is the same as mine. I didn't
notice that until I hit the reply to group button.
 
[ VIA chipset, 694D Pro(MS-6321) ]

I've got a motherboard with four IDE slots. Slots 3 & 4 are ATA100 and the
manual says that "Installing the Master Hard Disk into the third IDE
connector (ATA100) enables this feature."

Does it bollocks!

Swapping the drives over to the second pair of IDE slots just makes the
machine act as though there are no drives and no 'mass storage device' shows
up in 'System> Device Manager>devices' and installing the Ultra100 drivers
doesn't happen.

Anyone got any ideas ?

Many thanks,
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You probably can't boot from 3/4 unless you install
special drivers during the O/S installation (F6 during
the initial boot off of the install floppy or CD).

Check your BIOS to see if those slots are disabled.
 
MrB said:
I did this once. I think the answer was that you have to install the
operating system on that slot. You can't install it on one and move
it to another. I also was amazed that your name is the same as mine.
I didn't notice that until I hit the reply to group button.
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Hello me! Or are you the famous film producer of some time ago which can't
be me ?

Oh crap. Does this mean I have to format the drive again and then install
everything ? I wish the manual explained at least something useful.


In the BIOS of course it only shows primary and secondary master and slaves
so I assume that the two ATA100 slots then have to wake up on a new system.
If it's still not the ase then that's a lot fo re-installing of everything.
Plug-n-play ? Give me wooden bricks and some nails!


Richard.


Richard Brooks said:
[ VIA chipset, 694D Pro(MS-6321) ]

I've got a motherboard with four IDE slots. Slots 3 & 4 are ATA100
and the manual says that "Installing the Master Hard Disk into the
third IDE connector (ATA100) enables this feature."

Does it bollocks!

Swapping the drives over to the second pair of IDE slots just makes
the machine act as though there are no drives and no 'mass storage
device' shows up in 'System> Device Manager>devices' and installing
the Ultra100 drivers doesn't happen.

Anyone got any ideas ?

Many thanks,


Richard Brooks.
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Toshi1873 said:
[ VIA chipset, 694D Pro(MS-6321) ]

I've got a motherboard with four IDE slots. Slots 3 & 4 are ATA100
and the manual says that "Installing the Master Hard Disk into the
third IDE connector (ATA100) enables this feature."

Does it bollocks!

Swapping the drives over to the second pair of IDE slots just makes
the machine act as though there are no drives and no 'mass storage
device' shows up in 'System> Device Manager>devices' and installing
the Ultra100 drivers doesn't happen.

Anyone got any ideas ?

Many thanks,
Click to expand...

You probably can't boot from 3/4 unless you install
special drivers during the O/S installation (F6 during
the initial boot off of the install floppy or CD).

Check your BIOS to see if those slots are disabled.
Click to expand...

It only shows Primary and secondary master and slave.

I'll probably get hold of a new drive to try it rather than totally reformat
everything again.

Thanks to all replies,


Richard.
 
[ VIA chipset, 694D Pro(MS-6321) ]

I've got a motherboard with four IDE slots. Slots 3 & 4 are ATA100 and the
manual says that "Installing the Master Hard Disk into the third IDE
connector (ATA100) enables this feature."

Does it bollocks!

Swapping the drives over to the second pair of IDE slots just makes the
machine act as though there are no drives and no 'mass storage device' shows
up in 'System> Device Manager>devices' and installing the Ultra100 drivers
doesn't happen.

Anyone got any ideas ?

Many thanks,


Richard Brooks.
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The second pair of IDE connectors on most boards is just like an add on
SCSI or RAID controller. They have thier own BIOS setup that runs after the
regular BIOS. That is used to identify and setup any drives on that
controller. Drives on the extra controller connectors will not show up in
the regular BIOS information screen, but in the screens that happen after
the normal BIOS screen, but before booting.

There may also be an option in the main bios to enable the second
controller and its startup screen.

Follow the same information for that extra controller as your OS requires
for installation with an add on controller. Also, if you want the drives on
that set of connectors to boot, then you have to set the main bios to boot
something like SCSI or Addon controller before the main IDE controller.

Hope this helps

JT
 
JT said:
[ VIA chipset, 694D Pro(MS-6321) ]

I've got a motherboard with four IDE slots. Slots 3 & 4 are ATA100
and the manual says that "Installing the Master Hard Disk into the
third IDE connector (ATA100) enables this feature."

Does it bollocks!

Swapping the drives over to the second pair of IDE slots just makes
the machine act as though there are no drives and no 'mass storage
device' shows up in 'System> Device Manager>devices' and installing
the Ultra100 drivers doesn't happen.

Anyone got any ideas ?

Many thanks,


Richard Brooks.
Click to expand...

The second pair of IDE connectors on most boards is just like an add
on SCSI or RAID controller. They have thier own BIOS setup that runs
after the regular BIOS. That is used to identify and setup any drives
on that controller. Drives on the extra controller connectors will
not show up in the regular BIOS information screen, but in the
screens that happen after the normal BIOS screen, but before booting.

There may also be an option in the main bios to enable the second
controller and its startup screen.

Follow the same information for that extra controller as your OS
requires for installation with an add on controller. Also, if you
want the drives on that set of connectors to boot, then you have to
set the main bios to boot something like SCSI or Addon controller
before the main IDE controller.

Hope this helps

JT
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Thanks JT, I shall try that as I've been trying to do video capture at
largest sizes on the normal slots, forgetting that I had the second pair
when I just had to look through the manual again, didn't I causing more
headaches.



Richard.
 
JT said:
[ VIA chipset, 694D Pro(MS-6321) ]

I've got a motherboard with four IDE slots. Slots 3 & 4 are ATA100
and the manual says that "Installing the Master Hard Disk into the
third IDE connector (ATA100) enables this feature."
Click to expand...
[snipped]

The second pair of IDE connectors on most boards is just like an add
on SCSI or RAID controller. They have thier own BIOS setup that runs
after the regular BIOS. That is used to identify and setup any drives
on that controller. Drives on the extra controller connectors will
not show up in the regular BIOS information screen, but in the
screens that happen after the normal BIOS screen, but before booting.

There may also be an option in the main bios to enable the second
controller and its startup screen.

Follow the same information for that extra controller as your OS
requires for installation with an add on controller. Also, if you
want the drives on that set of connectors to boot, then you have to
set the main bios to boot something like SCSI or Addon controller
before the main IDE controller.

Hope this helps

JT
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Hi again JT,

I'd just did a test putting a drive that could be sacrificed on the first
ATA100 slot, inserted a rescue disk into A: ready to fdisk (if needs be) and
format the drive but the RAMdisk then sets to C: and fdisk recognises no
fixed disks. I've got my boot order set to SCSI/ATA first also.

The manual says that EIDE cables can be used and nothing about having to
switch to 80 conductor cables but I'll buy one anyway - and a separate EIDE
card just in case.

Thanks anyway,


Richard.
 
Hi again JT,

I'd just did a test putting a drive that could be sacrificed on the first
ATA100 slot, inserted a rescue disk into A: ready to fdisk (if needs be) and
format the drive but the RAMdisk then sets to C: and fdisk recognises no
fixed disks. I've got my boot order set to SCSI/ATA first also.

The manual says that EIDE cables can be used and nothing about having to
switch to 80 conductor cables but I'll buy one anyway - and a separate EIDE
card just in case.

Thanks anyway,


Richard.
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Do you see the ATA 100 setup when you boot? You should, and you can setup
the drives there.

What OS are you using? Also, you must use 80wire cables for anything faster
than ATA33. The controller might not work with a 40 wire cable.

JT
 
JT said:
Do you see the ATA 100 setup when you boot? You should, and you can
setup the drives there.
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No, nothing! It's a 694D Pro(MS-6321) VIA VT82C694X chipset, dual Pentium
III processor board.

The manual clearly says of the four IDEs "..this connector supports the
provided IDE hard disk cable." Of course the cables are the standard set.
There is no note that states that an 80 cable lead is needed but I suspect
that it really does need that anyway.
What OS are you using? Also, you must use 80wire cables for anything
faster than ATA33. The controller might not work with a 40 wire cable.
Click to expand...

I'm using Win98se which was the stated OS for an expensive broadcast capture
card that I'd partly built the machine for, dual processors having been used
a lot in 3D animation rendering.

All the manual states is that by plugging into the third IDE slot (ATA100-1)
it'll then enable that feature. You'd have thought that they'd put in
little attention grabbing notes relating to non-supplied leads needed for
the ATA100s ?

Tomorrow, I'm off to get higher spec leads and will look for a more
extensive riser board just in case it (the motherboard) still pisses around.

Thanks again JT.


Richard.
 
No, nothing! It's a 694D Pro(MS-6321) VIA VT82C694X chipset, dual Pentium
III processor board.

The manual clearly says of the four IDEs "..this connector supports the
provided IDE hard disk cable." Of course the cables are the standard set.
There is no note that states that an 80 cable lead is needed but I suspect
that it really does need that anyway.
Click to expand...

No, it does not need an 80 conductor cable to see the drive, fdisk,
format, boot, etc, but if/when you want to run in ATA66/100 mode.
I'm using Win98se which was the stated OS for an expensive broadcast capture
card that I'd partly built the machine for, dual processors having been used
a lot in 3D animation rendering.
Click to expand...

It is irrelevant what OS you're using.

Try updating the bios, loading CMOS defaults and then verifying that no
bios settings or jumpers need changed.
 
No, nothing! It's a 694D Pro(MS-6321) VIA VT82C694X chipset, dual Pentium
III processor board.

The manual clearly says of the four IDEs "..this connector supports the
provided IDE hard disk cable." Of course the cables are the standard set.
There is no note that states that an 80 cable lead is needed but I suspect
that it really does need that anyway.
Click to expand...

The cables that came with the motherboard should be 80 wire cables. Looking
at the manual, it has a fairly common Promise ATA 100 controller onboard in
addition to the built in chipset controller. With no raid function, it
might not actually need to show a setup screen, although that is not
common.
I'm using Win98se which was the stated OS for an expensive broadcast capture
card that I'd partly built the machine for, dual processors having been used
a lot in 3D animation rendering.
Click to expand...
Did you know that Win98SE doesn't support dual processors? No software
running on Win 98 will use the second processor. Have to us an NT based
system, like WinNT4.0, Win2K, or WinXP Pro (home is also single
processing, although it does support hyperthreading).

When you run Win98 Fdisk, it doesn't show the drive on the ATA 100
controller? You do have a hard drive on the ATA 100 controller don't
you, not a CDROM or DVD. Most of the integrated Promise controllers will
not support ATAPI devices such as CDROMS, DVD, Zip drives, etc.. Only hard
drives.
All the manual states is that by plugging into the third IDE slot (ATA100-1)
it'll then enable that feature. You'd have thought that they'd put in
little attention grabbing notes relating to non-supplied leads needed for
the ATA100s ?
Click to expand...
Have you tried updating the BIOS?
Tomorrow, I'm off to get higher spec leads and will look for a more
extensive riser board just in case it (the motherboard) still pisses around.

Thanks again JT.


Richard.
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JT
 
[ VIA chipset, 694D Pro(MS-6321) ]

I've got a motherboard with four IDE slots. Slots 3 & 4 are ATA100 and the
manual says that "Installing the Master Hard Disk into the third IDE
connector (ATA100) enables this feature."

Does it bollocks!

Swapping the drives over to the second pair of IDE slots just makes the
machine act as though there are no drives and no 'mass storage device' shows
up in 'System> Device Manager>devices' and installing the Ultra100 drivers
doesn't happen.

Anyone got any ideas ?
Click to expand...

CHAPTER 5 ULTRA100 DRIVER
5.2 Software Installation
This section details the Ultra100 driver installation procedure when
used with various operating systems as follows:
· Windows 2000
· Microsoft Millenium
· Windows 98
· Windows NT 4.x
You can install from CDROM drive or copy it to disk from CDROM.
CHAPTER 5 ULTRA100 DRIVER
5-7
5.2-3 Windows 98
5.2-3-1 Installing Drivers During Windows 98 Installation
The following details the installation of the Ultra100 drivers while
installing Windows 98 (with the Ultra100 controller card already in
place). If you’re installing the Ultra100 drivers on a system with
Windows 98 already installed, see “Installing Drivers with Existing
Windows 98.”
1. After installing the Ultra100 controller card and configuring the
hard drive(s), partition and format your hard drive(s), if necessary.
2. Install Windows 98 normally.
3. After installation, go the “Start” menu and choose “Settings.”
4. From the “Settings” menu, choose “Control Panel.”
5. In the “Control Panel” window, double-click on the “System”
icon.
6. In the “System” window, choose the “Device Manager” tab.
7. In the hierarchical display under “Other Devices” is a listing for
“PCI Mass Storage Controller.” Choose it and then press the
“Properties” button.
8. Choose the “Driver” tab in the “Properties” window, choose
“Update Driver,” and then press “Next.”
9. Choose “Search for a better driver than the one your device is
using now (recommended),” then press “Next.”
10. Choose “Specify Location,” and then type “A:\WIN95-98” in the
text box.
11. Insert the “Ultra100 Driver” diskette into the A: drive.
12. Press the “Next” button. A message informing you that Windows
has found “Win95-98 Promise ULTRA100 (tm) IDE Controller”
should appear.
13. Press “Next,” then “Finish,” then “Yes” when asked if you want
to restart your computer. Be sure to remove the diskette from
drive A:.
CHAPTER 5 ULTRA100 DRIVER
5-8
5.2-3-2 Installing Drivers with Existing Windows 98
The following section details the installation of Ultra100 drivers on
a
system that has Windows 98 already installed. If you’re installing the
Ultra100 drivers on a system during a Windows 98 installation, see
“Installing Drivers During Windows 98 Installation.”
1. After installing the Ultra100 controller card and configuring the
hard drives, power up the system and boot Windows.
2. The “Add New Hardware Wizard” will appear, informing you that
it has found a “PCI Mass Storage Controller.”
3. Click on “Next,” and from the generated list box, choose “Search
for a better driver than the one your device is using now.”
4. Click on “Next,” and from the generated choices, choose
“Specify a location.”
5. Type “A:\WIN95-98” in the text box that appears.
6. Insert the “Ultra100 Driver” diskette in drive A:.
7. Click on “Next.” A message informing you that Windows has
found “Win95-98 Promise ULTRA100 (tm) IDE Controller”
should appear.
8. Click on “Next,” and then on “Finish.”
9. Choose “Yes” when asked if you want to restart your computer.
Be sure to eject the diskette from drive A:.
Confirming Driver Installation in Windows 98
To confirm that the driver has been properly loaded in Windows 98,
perform the following steps:
1. Choose “Settings” from the “Start” menu.
2. Choose “Control Panel,” and then double-click on the “System”
icon.
3. Choose the “Device Manager” tab, and then click the “+” in
front of “SCSI controllers.” “Win95-98 Promise ULTRA100 (tm)
IDE controller” should appear.
 
[ VIA chipset, 694D Pro(MS-6321) ]

I've got a motherboard with four IDE slots. Slots 3 & 4 are ATA100 and the
manual says that "Installing the Master Hard Disk into the third IDE
connector (ATA100) enables this feature."

Does it bollocks!

Swapping the drives over to the second pair of IDE slots just makes the
machine act as though there are no drives and no 'mass storage device' shows
up in 'System> Device Manager>devices' and installing the Ultra100 drivers
doesn't happen.

Anyone got any ideas ?
Click to expand...

CHAPTER 5 ULTRA100 DRIVER
Click to expand...

<snip>

The odd thing is that MSI's site shows the board having RAID funciton yet
even they link what appears to be the Ultra100 driver, not the FastTrack
(Raid) 100 driver. Don't recall if that would affect drive(s) showing up
in windows but they should still be detected outside Windows.
 
kony said:
No, it does not need an 80 conductor cable to see the drive, fdisk,
format, boot, etc, but if/when you want to run in ATA66/100 mode.


It is irrelevant what OS you're using.
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It was relevant for the graphics side of things where the software was
concerned.

I know it's not to do with my situation right now but I was asked what I was
using so I stated what it was! ;-)
Try updating the bios, loading CMOS defaults and then verifying that
no bios settings or jumpers need changed.
Click to expand...

I've got just about every BIOS going, just reset to defaults again and had
joined the VIA forum just in case anyone from the company knows what's going
on - or not.

Many thanks,


Richard.
 
JT said:
The cables that came with the motherboard should be 80 wire cables.
Looking at the manual, it has a fairly common Promise ATA 100
controller onboard in addition to the built in chipset controller.
With no raid function, it might not actually need to show a setup
screen, although that is not common.
Click to expand...

In the box were the bog-standard 40 wire cables! I've since got hold of
some 80 wire cables. I think the problem is the FastTrak100 "Lite" section
in the BIOS preamble as stated in my other post. Basically it's not waking
up.
Did you know that Win98SE doesn't support dual processors? No
software running on Win 98 will use the second processor. Have to us
an NT based system, like WinNT4.0, Win2K, or WinXP Pro (home is also
single processing, although it does support hyperthreading).
Click to expand...

[Long story]

It's a machine of various uses. I would've stayed on DOS for this one as
I'd been bought a copy of 3DS4 by a company that only wanted it for a fancy
logo to come up on their office machines in the morning. Normally, I'd hate
the waste but as they didn't want it after that then I just shut my mouth!
This was the reason for the dual processor part all thanks to the standards
set by Autodesk, render farms and all the other graphics people. Single
frame renders that used to take maybe half an hour on a 486 with
co-processor now take about a second on this machine.

I did have the Digital DPS card setup which ran in DOS/Win3.1 and was
wonderful but then shifting over to Windows (for the non-linear and post
production part) I invested in an also very expensive broadcast video
capture/output card from Digital Design in Germany and they stated that the
software recommended had to be Win98se so I went for it, I trusted them.
Never have I known a card to, when initiating after a couple of hour
software installation then hard reset my machine when doing a capture test.
The final part of that story was that the agent in the UK went bust and
Digital Design went quiet just after I sent the card back to them for
testing! It might be landfill somewhere in mainland Europe.


Are you still awake ?
When you run Win98 Fdisk, it doesn't show the drive on the ATA 100
controller? You do have a hard drive on the ATA 100 controller
don't you, not a CDROM or DVD. Most of the integrated Promise
controllers will not support ATAPI devices such as CDROMS, DVD, Zip
drives, etc.. Only hard drives.
Click to expand...

Oh yes, I got that one! ;-)


Richard.
 
JT said:
Do you see the ATA 100 setup when you boot? You should, and you can
setup the drives there.

What OS are you using? Also, you must use 80wire cables for anything
faster than ATA33. The controller might not work with a 40 wire cable.

JT
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In the BIOS preamble, at the speed of lightning I see the line -
FastTrak100 (possibly) "Lite" Version 1,31,1 (Build 3) line followed by "No
FastTrak Controller Found." I guess this is the ATA100 controller section
which is the thorny part ! ;-)

I've tried a FastTrak100 Lite BIOS Flash but it states that the BIOS memory
isn't recognised.

I've tried running the video capture drive on the Ultra ATA100 on its own
but I just get the Windows protection error. Basically I only need the
ATA100 drive to dump video (without frame dropouts), the other drives can be
a slow as they want.

Regards,


Richard.
 
In the BIOS preamble, at the speed of lightning I see the line -
FastTrak100 (possibly) "Lite" Version 1,31,1 (Build 3) line followed by "No
FastTrak Controller Found." I guess this is the ATA100 controller section
which is the thorny part ! ;-)
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In the manual for that board I see an Integrated Peripherals section in
the BIOS, with settings for "onchip IDE"... confirm that all those are set
"Enabled". All of the Primary and Secondary (device) settings below those
can, should be OK left set to "Auto".

If that doesn't work, consult manual and see all jumpers mentioned.
Compare to jumpers present on the board to see if any were omitted from
the manual. If any mystery jumpers are found it then becomes an issue of
thoroughly rechecking the manual to be SURE it's not listed elsewhere...
there's certainly a risk involved in putting a jumper header on unknown
pins, it would be best to use a multimeter to take voltage readings before
doing so but that "could" be what has happened, a jumper is needing moved
or added.
I've tried a FastTrak100 Lite BIOS Flash but it states that the BIOS memory
isn't recognised.
Click to expand...

There is a BIOS write-protect jumper feature for that board, did you
confirm and/or move the jumper to the proper position? (see manual)

I've tried running the video capture drive on the Ultra ATA100 on its own
but I just get the Windows protection error. Basically I only need the
ATA100 drive to dump video (without frame dropouts), the other drives can be
a slow as they want.
Click to expand...


This may've been covered already, but Device Manager does not see the
Ultra controller, that is, it sees nothing at all including "unknown"
devices?
 
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