Hello,
I'm wondering if the suggestion has helped or if you have any further
questions.
Please feel free to respond to the newsgroups if I can assist further.
Thanks.
Sincerely,
Neo Zhu,
Microsoft Online Support
Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
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| Subject: Re: Visual-Studio severely damages Vista
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| Hello Jim,
|
| Thank you for your reply.
|
| I fully understand your feeling on this issue. Generally speaking, we
will
| always try our best to solve and reduce compatibility issues between
| applications and systems. We try to will do full tests before releasing
our
| products. Some known issues will be included in the release note together
| with a guide or instruction telling you how to prevent or resolve these
| kinds of issues.
|
| To this specific issue, I recommend you follow the installation guide
| strictly when installing Visual Studio. If not, some unexpected issues
| might occur. For example,it is recommended to "Run as Administrator" to
| install Visual Studio SP1 in Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 Release
| Notes as Visual Studio installation requires elevated privileges. If you
| run the installation without elevate privileges, you might get some
| problems during the installation or the problem occurs after the
| installation is finished or even after the program is uninstalled.
|
| You could refer to the following Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1
Release
| Notes when install Visual Studio:
|
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928957/
|
| During the development of Windows Vista, several key investments were
made
| to vastly improve overall quality, security, and reliability from
previous
| versions of Windows.
|
| I also notice that the Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 Update for
Windows
| Vista is available for download. The Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1
| Update for Windows Vista addresses areas of Visual Studio impacted by
| Windows Vista enhancements. If you haven't installed this update, I
| strongly recommend you install this update after the Visual Studio 2005
SP1
| is installed and have another test.
|
| You could download this update here:
|
| Visual Studio 2005 Service Pack 1 Update for Windows Vista
|
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=90e2942d-3ad1-4873-
| a2ee-4acc0aace5b6&displaylang=en
|
| If possible, please test Visual Studio 2005 SP1 together with Update for
| Windows Vista and Visual Studio 2008 on different Vista machines.
|
| Moreover, the following information is for your reference:
|
| Visual Studio on Windows Vista FAQ
|
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2005/aa948854
|
| Visual Studio 2005 on Windows Vista Issue List - Running with normal user
| permissions
|
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2005/aa972193
|
| Visual Studio 2005 on Windows Vista Issue List - Running with elevated
| administrator permissions
|
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2005/aa964140
|
| Visual Studio .NET 2003 on Windows Vista Issue List
|
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2005/bb188244.aspx
|
| I hope this helps. Thanks.
|
| Sincerely,
| Neo Zhu,
| Microsoft Online Support
| Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
|
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| | Dear Jian-Ping Zhu,
| |
| | I thank you for your honest response about this problem. It's the first
| one
| | I've gotten from Microsoft. Of course, UAC and Visual Studio aren't
| playing
| | well together. (Even though you only acknowledge this between the
lines,
| I
| | appreciate it.)
| |
| | My personal account is a member of the Administrators group.
| | When the permissions get reset on c:\config.msi, the administrators
group
| | retains 'full control' as would be expected.
| | One would expect that disabling UAC would bypass the permissions
problem
| on
| | that folder and it certainly does that. It was one of the first things
I
| | tried.
| |
| | Perhaps I should have been explicit about having disabled UAC in the
| past.
| | But I get tired of being pestered to turn it back on and, basically, I
| think
| | it's better for me to have UAC working.
| |
| | But you seem to be acknowledging that Visual Studio and UAC don't play
| well
| | together. That's pretty sad now that Vista has been retail since late
| | November of 2006 and Microsoft is holding firmly to the position that
| | reduced user permissions is a reasonable and necessary approach to
| limiting
| | the risks of rogue software. In fact, I fully agree with Microsoft on
| this
| | point.
| |
| | Microsoft is also holding the position that conflicts with UAC are
| totally
| | the responsibility of the application vendors who should either fix
their
| | product so it doesn't require full administrator rights or should be
| certain
| | their product prompts the user when that is truly necessary.
| |
| | OK, I agree. But, of course, Microsoft is ALSO the application vendor
for
| | Visual Studio and that department hasn't gotten the message about being
| in
| | compliance with UAC.
| |
| | I'm certainly old enough and experienced enough to understand that an
| | organization as large as Microsoft will inevetibly be inconsistent;
even
| | seriously inconsistent. But now that Vista has been retail for one year
| and
| | five months, I think it fair of the user community to expect a clear
| | acknowledgment and warning from Microsoft about this problem; and
really
| I
| | think it should have been fixed LONG AGO!
| |
| | In any case, I removed Visual Studio 2008 long ago but the problem
| remains
| | as it has every time before. I am now in the process if reinstalling
| Visual
| | Studio 2008 using the method you provided. With UAC disabled, I am
nearly
| | certain I won't have the permissions problem as that would be very
| strange
| | indeed.
| |
| | So I suppose I get to choose between two alternatives:
| | 1. totally rebuild my Vista system AGAIN and live without Visual Studio
| on
| | any Vista machine until Microsoft steps up the problem and fixes it.
| | 2. run without UAC until Microsoft steps up to the problem and fixes it.
| |
| | I do wonder how I'm going to know that the problem has actually been
| fixed
| | so I can turn UAC back on. (I'm not at all in the mood to do yet
another
| | total rebuild. But if something else forces me to, I may go back to
| running
| | Visual Studio on an XP virtual machine which I have already
experimented
| | with doing.)
| |
| | Shie Shie (Thats the best I can do transliterating 'thank you' from
| | Mandarin)
| | Jim Kay
| |
| | | | > Hello Jim,
| | >
| | > Thank you for the reply.
| | >
| | > I have done some further research and I find that Vista's UAC
prompting
| | > might cause this problem. Also running Visual Studio with normal user
| | > permissions on Vista might cause some issues.
| | >
| | > To narrow down this issue, I recommend you follow the steps below and
| have
| | > another try.
| | >
| | > 1. Enable the Administrator account and log in as Administrator.
| | > 2. Disable Vista's UAC prompting.
| | > To do this, please
| | > 1). Go to Start, Run, and enter "MSCONFIG"
| | > 2). Go to the Tools menu.
| | > 3). Halfway down the list, enable 'Disable UAC Disables User
Account
| | > Control (Requires Reboot)'
| | > 4). Reboot.
| | >
| | > 3. Please uninstall Visual Studio and reinstall it again following the
| | > steps I mentioned in my last mail.
| | >
| | > After that, please check whether the issues still occur.
| | >
| | > If yes, please tell me in detail that what operation causes the issue.
| | > Please also check whether there are any error messages recorded in
Event
| | > logs and let me know. If possible, please capture a screenshot of the
| | > error
| | > message and mail the screenshot to me.
| | >
| | > To capture a screenshot:
| | > ===================
| | > 1. Please press the Print Screen key (PrtScn) on your keyboard.
| | > 2. Click "Start", click "Run", type "mspaint", and click "OK".
| | > 3. In Paint, click Paste under the Edit Menu, click Save under the
File
| | > menu, type a file name for the screenshot, choose JPEG as "Save as
| type",
| | > click "Desktop" on the left pane, and click Save.
| | > 4. Please find the screenshot on the Desktop and send it as an
| attachment
| | > to: (e-mail address removed)
| | >
| | > More information
| | > ==============
| | > The following information is for your reference:
| | >
| | > Visual Studio 2005 on Windows Vista Issue List when running with
normal
| | > user permissions:
| | >
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2005/aa972193.aspx
| | >
| | > Contents of Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 Setup Issues Readme file
| | >
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;908452
| | >
| | > I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks.
| | >
| | > Sincerely,
| | > Neo Zhu,
| | > Microsoft Online Support
| | > Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
| | >
| | > Get Secure! -
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| | > | Subject: Re: Visual-Studio severely damages Vista
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| | > | There are two things in your understanding that are a little off:
| | > |
| | > | 1. removing Visual Studio does not fix the problem. My Vista
machines
| | > remain
| | > | permanently broken and must be totally rebuilt to fix them.
| | > | 2. there are many messages in the MSDN forums of people complaining
| | > about
| | > | trouble with access to c:\config.msi directory but there are no
(that
| I
| | > ever
| | > | found) responses from anyone at Microsoft that acknowlegeds the
| | > connection
| | > | to Visual Studio installation. I have proven to my own satisfaction
| that
| | > | installing Visual Studio is the cause of the problem. But it
cannot,
| as
| | > far
| | > | as I know, ever be reversed other than format the drive and start
over
| | > with
| | > | everything.
| | > |
| | > | I have posted in MSDN but Microsoft just ignores the problem and
| doesn't
| | > | respond to ANYONE.
| | > |
message
| | > | | | > | > Hello,
| | > | >
| | > | > Thank you for your post.
| | > | >
| | > | > According to your description, my understanding is that after you
| | > | > installed
| | > | > Visual Studio 2005 or Visual Studio 2008 on your Vista machine,
some
| | > | > update
| | > | > processes failed because the access to C:\cinfig.msi is denied.
| After
| | > you
| | > | > uninstalled Visual Studio, the issue gone. You concern is to
verify
| | > | > whether
| | > | > it is the Visual Studio that cause this issue and find a solution
to
| | > solve
| | > | > this issue.
| | > | >
| | > | > If there is any misunderstanding, please let me know.
| | > | >
| | > | > According to the symptom, it seems that there are some
compatibility
| | > | > issues
| | > | > between Visual Studio and Vista. As we are not Visual Studio
| expert,
| | > I'd
| | > | > like to suggest that you also submit a post in the following MSDN
| | > | > newsgroup
| | > | > so that this issue can be resolved efficiently.
| | > | >
| | > | > microsoft.public.msdn.general
| | > | >
| | > | > The engineers and newsgroup members there are more experienced on
| | > Visual
| | > | > Studio related issues, and should be able to provide you with
| | > suggestions
| | > | > on this issue.
| | > | >
| | > | > Meanwhile,I'd like to share with you some basic information.
| | > | >
| | > | > Based on my research, this issue might be caused by not properly
| | > | > installing
| | > | > Visual Studio 2005/2008.
| | > | >
| | > | > I recommend you follow the below steps to uninstall Visual Studio
| 2008
| | > and
| | > | > reinstall it.
| | > | >
| | > | > 1. Please follow the below article to uninstalling Visual
| | > Studio
| | > | > 2008
| | > | >
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vs2008/bb968856.aspx
| | > | >
| | > | > 2. Install the latest Windows updates.
| | > | >
| | > | > 3. Check if there is any anti-virus or antispyware
running.
| | > Turn
| | > | > them off before installation.
| | > | >
| | > | > 4. Make sure that the installation media is healthy. If the
| | > | > installation from DVD is not working well, you can try copying the
| | > | > contents
| | > | > of the disc to the hard disk and try the installation from the
hard
| | > disk.
| | > | >
| | > | > 5. Temporarily disable/dismiss Windows Update during
| | > installation
| | > | > (especially in Vista see:
| | > | >
http://blogs.msdn.com/astebner/archive/2007/11/13/6190778.aspx)
| | > | >
| | > | > 6. Run the installation as administrator.
| | > | >
| | > | > After the installation is finished, please check whether the
issue
| | > still
| | > | > exists.
| | > | >
| | > | > If yes, I recommend you to contact to MSDN support engineers for
| | > further
| | > | > investigation.
| | > | >
| | > | > Thanks.
| | > | >
| | > | > Sincerely,
| | > | > Neo Zhu,
| | > | > Microsoft Online Support
| | > | > Microsoft Global Technical Support Center
| | > | >
| | > | > Get Secure! -
www.microsoft.com/security
| | > | > =====================================================
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