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BigJim
I run the 32 bit Ultimate it works fine for me. It depends what you want to
do with it.
Not a whole lot of support for 64 bit yet.
do with it.
Not a whole lot of support for 64 bit yet.
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SHRED
For a home system which Vista version should I get?
32-bit Home Premium
32-bit Ultimate
64-bit Home Premium
64-bit Ultimate
My upgrade specs so far:
GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard
EVGA 512-P3-N802-A3 GeForce 8800GT Superclocked 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI
FSP Group Blue Storm II 500 ATX 2.2V 500W Power Supply
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775
2 x mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
Western Digital Caviar SE WD1600AAJS 160GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s HDD
32-bit Home Premium
32-bit Ultimate
64-bit Home Premium
64-bit Ultimate
My upgrade specs so far:
GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard
EVGA 512-P3-N802-A3 GeForce 8800GT Superclocked 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI
FSP Group Blue Storm II 500 ATX 2.2V 500W Power Supply
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775
2 x mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400)
Western Digital Caviar SE WD1600AAJS 160GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s HDD
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Frank McCoy
None. Avoid Vista like the Plague!In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt SHRED said:
Get a full installation copy of XP if you can.
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John Weiss
SHRED said:
My first answer would be XP Pro 32-bit.
However, if you REALLY want to go with Vista, go with the 32-bit ultimate so you
don't get crippled functionality. The 64-bit version has even more driver and
app compatibility problems than the 32-bit...
Spend the extra $$ for a Raptor 10K RPM HD.
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SteveH
SHRED said:
XP
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Sjouke Burry
Tssk, tssk... XP service pack 2 of course.SteveH said:
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geoff
Gotta love marketing and marketing levels . . .
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SteveH
Sjouke said:
Ooops, or no support from Micro$haft, among other things.
SteveH
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philo
SHRED said:
Nope!
You do not want Vista. I gave it a good try for three months...then dumped
it.
Though I did not find it "horrible" , it was not as good as XP.
You might as well stick with XP sp2.
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Psalm Nuclei
Vista 32-bit.
My friend has it on his Gateway machine and I have it on my custom
built machine.
I play games with both machines. I do Photoshop. I surf the net. I use
FTP for web development. I have a graphics tablet. I have USB audio
interface for a microphone. I do digital music.
I also installed Vista 64-bit on a custom PC i built with 4gb's of
ram. I didn't have 1 driver problem and did the same things mentioned
above with it before I sold it (didn't need a $1600 machine).
Vista is an afterthought. It's slick and fast and doesn't get in the
way anymore like XP used to. I only have 2gb's of ram.
I disable UAC, that's the only pain that Vista has set by default.
Other than that, Vista is not a problem that people make it out to be
if you have new pieces in your box. If you have a 5 year old box and
are putting Vista in it you might have issues.
My friend has it on his Gateway machine and I have it on my custom
built machine.
I play games with both machines. I do Photoshop. I surf the net. I use
FTP for web development. I have a graphics tablet. I have USB audio
interface for a microphone. I do digital music.
I also installed Vista 64-bit on a custom PC i built with 4gb's of
ram. I didn't have 1 driver problem and did the same things mentioned
above with it before I sold it (didn't need a $1600 machine).
Vista is an afterthought. It's slick and fast and doesn't get in the
way anymore like XP used to. I only have 2gb's of ram.
I disable UAC, that's the only pain that Vista has set by default.
Other than that, Vista is not a problem that people make it out to be
if you have new pieces in your box. If you have a 5 year old box and
are putting Vista in it you might have issues.
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Psalm Nuclei
Oh, sorry forgot to mention - Vista 32-bit Home Premium.
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Psalm Nuclei
And try not to be dissuaded by the Microsoft haters.
I'm not a fanboi of Microsoft but have been using since DOS. In the
past, BSOD were always a problem, not anymore today.
And I purchased the ~$100 OEM Vista Home Premium for system builders.
Works like a charm.
I'm not a fanboi of Microsoft but have been using since DOS. In the
past, BSOD were always a problem, not anymore today.
And I purchased the ~$100 OEM Vista Home Premium for system builders.
Works like a charm.
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Psalm Nuclei
The only reason to get Vista 64-bit is so you can use 4gb's of RAM and
more. Not too many applications are 64-bit so 64-it is really for the
power user and still it isn't even needed.
Again I custom built a 64-bit system with a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R
motherboard, Vista 64-bit OEM for system builders and had no issues
whatsoever. It ran fine. Was fast too, since I had 4gb's of ram and a
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 in it. Also Evga 8800 graphics card to boot.
You can't go wrong with either one, but 64-bit really isn't needed.
more. Not too many applications are 64-bit so 64-it is really for the
power user and still it isn't even needed.
Again I custom built a 64-bit system with a Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R
motherboard, Vista 64-bit OEM for system builders and had no issues
whatsoever. It ran fine. Was fast too, since I had 4gb's of ram and a
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 in it. Also Evga 8800 graphics card to boot.
You can't go wrong with either one, but 64-bit really isn't needed.
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Frank McCoy
People who throw up at the mention of Vista are not necessarily
Microsoft-haters, but realists.
Vista has all the earmarks of being the worst OS since Windows Me; and
maybe even worse. That seems hard-to-do, considering how abominable Me
was. ;-{
Of course, there *were* some people who even liked Win-Me.
"There's no accounting for tastes," as the little old lady said when she
kissed the cow.
I presume that if you stick to your very narrow range of newer games and
don't try to run older software, Vista might actually seem to be an
improvement ... to you. That being what it was designed for.
*Most* people however, prefer to have an operating-system that's
compatible with the software they already have; since that's where their
major investment in a computer is; not just the latest version of one
particular game. And THERE, Vista sucks royally.
I presume if you're just planning on using Vista as a gaming platform
and ONLY for the latest and greatest of games; with perhaps adding
*only* Microsoft products (like Office and that worst-of-all-possible
software: Outlook) for anything else, then Vista might possibly actually
*be* your best bet.
The rest of us who plan on using our machines for other things or
already have better software than Microsoft supplies, will also continue
to use other (and better) operating systems (yes, including Microsoft
Windows XP in various flavors).
Get it through your head: It ain't *Microsoft* we're disparaging here,
but that abomination they made of Vista; where the previous offering
(Windows XP) was several orders of magnitude *better* than what they
offer now as "standard".
Think about how badly it really SUCKS, when their "new and improved"
offering is much WORSE than what they previously offered.
However, Microsoft is FAR from being the first to do this.
What makes it so BAD, is this is not the first time they did it!
You'd *think*, that with Windows-Me as an example, they would have
learned better by now. ;-{
(Which reminds me: I've *got* to get that abomination of Win-Me off my
laptop. I have an extra install-CD for Win-98 around here somewhere
.....)
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Frank McCoy
Worse-yet, it BREAKS some of the very programs you'd want most to use it
for. ;-{
I would avoid even Win-XP 64-bit, for the same reason.
By the time you really NEED a larger RAM space, they'll be through two
or three newer Operating Systems; and it will be the default.
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Peeyou
Vista is by far, the worst OS Microsoft has come out with. I had
better luck with win me. I wont buy a new PC if it has Vista on it,
and cannot be downgraded to XP. I tried the readyboost thing with a
4gb sanddisk and it still sucked all my resources dry, and thats with
4gbs of DDR2 800mhz ram. I think maybe they may be able to fix it at
some point, but we need a vista Service pack ASAP.
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Psalm Nuclei
Oh I'm not calling anyone haters, hope I didn't come off that way! 
At work, we're on XP. Of course, we're also using Lotus Notes which
has got to be the most god awful email program ever designed. But
that's another thread ;-)
Perhaps for work environs, Vista is not good. I don't install
workstations so I can't comment on that.
I'm just talking about the home user and not *just* for games. Again,
I do photoshop, digital music, burning movies/cd's, etc., pretty much
typical home user stuff and Vista, *for me*, is flawless. It doesn't
get in my way.
At work, we're on XP. Of course, we're also using Lotus Notes which
has got to be the most god awful email program ever designed. But
that's another thread ;-)
Perhaps for work environs, Vista is not good. I don't install
workstations so I can't comment on that.
I'm just talking about the home user and not *just* for games. Again,
I do photoshop, digital music, burning movies/cd's, etc., pretty much
typical home user stuff and Vista, *for me*, is flawless. It doesn't
get in my way.
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S. Smith
Personally, I went with Vista Ultimate. It arrived with two DVD's, one
with the 32-bit version and one with the 64-bit version. I had the
64-bit version installed originally, but due to some incompatibility
with drivers, I reformatted and went with the 32-bit version. No
problems at all since.
I chose the Ultimate version because I needed the IIS Web server,
and also wanted the Bitblocker encryption.
Overall, I am very happy with it. Keep in mind I researched and made
sure that all my hardware components were compatible with Vista and
had good drivers.
I've heard some saying that they went back to XP, but I can't see even
a single reason for me to ever consider doing that. I've been running
Vista for almost a year now, and with very good results.
Also, Direct X 10 for gaming isn't even an option on XP, is it?
- Scott Smith: (e-mail address removed)
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
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S. Smith
I agree. Vista is slick, fast, and reliable for me as well. And as a
gaming platform it rocks, IMO.
Yes. Pretty much the same expierence I've had with Vista Ultimate.
And yes, I also disabled UAC and some other IE7 security stuff, but
that was pretty quick, easy and painless.
- Scott Smith: (e-mail address removed)
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
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S. Smith
At some point you have to let go of your old DOS and Windows 3.11
programs and move on to newer (and often improved) software. The
same goes for old and outdated hardware components. Generally, the
shelf life of software and hardware is about 3-5 years before updates
or newer versions are *needed*, IMO.
And FYI, almost all of my older XP games and software run fine under
Vista. Some requiring minor tweaks, but nothing very daunting to do.
I had my old XP box up and running for over 5 years, but it was at
the end of it's meaningful life at that point, IMO. It was time to
update hardware/software with a new system. Installing Vista
clean on the new system was the best option, IMO.
I have Vista running flawlessly, and even run the virtual operating
systems of Solaris 10 Unix and Ubuntu Linux under Vista without
a single problem.
What programs, exactly, are you having so much trouble running
under Vista? How old are they and are there newer versions or
patches that address compatibility issues?
I really don't understand the bitterness over Vista. It just doesn't
make much sense to me.
- Scott Smith: (e-mail address removed)
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith