Vista - what a piece of S#%#

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It does nothing better than XP, although admittedly now that I know where
most things have been moved, and the most driver/performance issues have
been sorted it is now almost as productive. What a pointless exercise
upgrading. I wish I had just got myself a new skin for my XP. Junk, utter
junk. New and different, but not better. Seriosuly, what does this OS
achieve apart from making money?
 
Em Sábado, 8 de Novembro de 2008 09:33, bob escreveu:
It does nothing better than XP,
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it devours hardware resources better and it spys on you much better now
what does this OS
achieve apart from making money?
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doesn anything else matters?
 
bob said:
It does nothing better than XP, although admittedly now that I know where
most things have been moved, and the most driver/performance issues have
been sorted it is now almost as productive.
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Umm how is an OPERATING SYSTEM "productive"? It's the APPLICATIONS you run
ON the operating system that are "productive".....
 
bob said:
It does nothing better than XP, although admittedly now that I know where
most things have been moved, and the most driver/performance issues have
been sorted it is now almost as productive. What a pointless exercise
upgrading. I wish I had just got myself a new skin for my XP. Junk,
utter junk. New and different, but not better. Seriosuly, what does this
OS achieve apart from making money?
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There is more to an OS than what you see on the desktop..


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Please excuse this rant - it's not directed personally at this poster. But
rather at all the people out there who are dissatisfied with Windows Vista.

If you don't like something, why stay with it and whine about it? Do
something to change it so you'll be happy. Switch to another OS if you're so
dissatisfied.

Windows Vista is a general purpose OS. What that means is that it strives
to do all things well, but some compromises must be made in order for it to
be useable. If you don't like how it does it - there's plenty of other
choices out there - and quite a lot of them are free.

Also, it is about money. That's how "for profit" companies are run. And
the investors in these companies expect a return on their investment.

I see this at work every day - people upgrading so they can have the
"latest" version. "Latest" may equal "better" to some people - but that
doesn't necessarily make it true.

The changes in Vista were significant and sweeping. They were not well
received by the general public. But does this make it bad? This is a
marketing issue rather than a technical issue. It's the perceived image of
Vista rather than what it actually does. Unfortunately, most of the issues
that are blamed on Vista are actually due to 3rd party
software/driver/hardware issues.

A good example of this are printers.
-Printer manufacturer's decide which printers will have Vista drivers and
which won't - Microsoft doesn't decide that. So, if you've got an older
printer and drivers aren't available - then you're just out of luck unless
you can write drivers.
-Newer printers have the "Works with Windows Vista" stickers to tell you
that they're compatible with Vista. But no one tells you that that also
means that the manufacturers probably didn't include the Vista drivers on the
disk that comes with the printer. (in order to save money). So you'll have
to download them from the manufacturer's website.
-And, to add to the issues, we're in a state of flux right now. 64 bit OS's
are being sold as fast as 32 bit OS's - and the 32 bit printer drivers won't
work on the 64 bit OS's.

Fianlly, Vista has worked fine for me from the early Beta days through
today. I've had less problems than I had with XP, and those problems that I
do have are more easily fixable. I've also got a TV card in my system that
is not Vista compatilble - so there it sits disabled until I decide to get
another one. Also, I work in a shop that fixes users systems all day long -
and that's the experience that we have with there also.

- John
 
"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"
Mike said:
There is more to an OS than what you see on the desktop..
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Yes, and all that other stuff in Vista runs slower than in XP.

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What is slower that you know of?


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The changes in Vista were significant and sweeping. They were not well
received by the general public. But does this make it bad? This is a
marketing issue rather than a technical issue. It's the perceived image
of
Vista rather than what it actually does. Unfortunately, most of the
issues
that are blamed on Vista are actually due to 3rd party
software/driver/hardware issues.
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Actually, the longhorn project was failed when it was reset at the end of
the third year which was the planned development cycle.

Vista was rushed out with less than two years of development to avoid public
humiliation and the quality shows.

So if MS couldn't keep its own schedule, how could anyone blame 3rd party
application and hardware vendors to keep up with their schedules?

Also, their marketing actually have done a great job such as created huge
public awareness for the product launch. But whose fault was that when
users and customers dissatisfied the new designs and features? Their
analysts also warned that the hardware requirements would be a problem but
the decision was still a go.

I personally don't think marketing has such power for screwing up a project
for three years, but yes, it's easy to blame others, as always :)

The Vista tale was already over and MS acknowledged that they fumbled the
ball this time. It's Windows 7 time now.
 
Software is like any product/service. Better quality demands (and gets) a
higher price. Products that are free, are free for a reason.
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That's simply not true. Market price is influenced by many
factors percieved quality being only one of them. The common business
school example is the price of diamonds, which is entirely artificial.

My favorite example is the late lamented Schrade knife. For
15 bucks you could get a blade that would out perform and outlast most
custom jobs.

You need to read a book called "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" to
get a clearer idea of the mechanics of the open source market.
 
But whose fault was that when
users and customers dissatisfied the new designs and features?
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The users and customers fault! Those guys need to get with the
program. Resistance is futile.
 
Gordon said:
Umm how is an OPERATING SYSTEM "productive"? It's the APPLICATIONS you
run ON the operating system that are "productive".....
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Actually, that's not quite right, either. To be productive, it takes a
_user_ who knows how to properly and efficiently make use of both OS and
applications to accomplish the desired tasks.

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xfile said:
Actually, the longhorn project was failed when it was reset at the end of
the third year which was the planned development cycle.

Vista was rushed out with less than two years of development to avoid public
humiliation and the quality shows.

So if MS couldn't keep its own schedule, how could anyone blame 3rd party
application and hardware vendors to keep up with their schedules?

Also, their marketing actually have done a great job such as created huge
public awareness for the product launch. But whose fault was that when
users and customers dissatisfied the new designs and features? Their
analysts also warned that the hardware requirements would be a problem but
the decision was still a go.

I personally don't think marketing has such power for screwing up a project
for three years, but yes, it's easy to blame others, as always :)

The Vista tale was already over and MS acknowledged that they fumbled the
ball this time. It's Windows 7 time now.
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Fact is, you're wrong on all counts.
But that is nothing new.
 
The users and customers fault! Those guys need to get with the
program. Resistance is futile.
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Maybe, but who has to change? The answer is the seller and product
provider.

Welcome to the market economy in which the major demand speaks even we may
be seen as stupid and dumb by ignorant engineers but the demand rules, as
always :)
 
Mike said:
"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"



What is slower that you know of?
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Personal experience has shown me it is slower to boot, slower to copy
files, I have to click through MORE dialogue boxes to get things done
which makes using it slower, the aero interface makes it run slower
(which slows everything down), UAC, so on and so forth.

--
"...every non-modular OS SUCKS...Speaking for myself only."
- zachd [MSFT]

"Software is like sex, it's better when it's free."
- Linus Torvalds

DRM and unintended consequences:
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101
 
Bob said:
Proving that he has never had sex, free or otherwise. Leave it to
this nitwit to make such a stupid analogy.

Software is like any product/service. Better quality demands (and
gets) a higher price. Products that are free, are free for a reason.
If you give something away (whether it is software, food or sex) and
STILL no one wants it, that gives you an idea of its value.

Personally I'll take the $1,000 Vegas hooker over the $20 skank standing
on the corner of 8th and Main.
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The value of some things just can't be measured in money.

--
"...every non-modular OS SUCKS...Speaking for myself only."
- zachd [MSFT]

"Software is like sex, it's better when it's free."
- Linus Torvalds

DRM and unintended consequences:
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101
 
That's simply not true. Market price is influenced by many
factors percieved quality being only one of them. The common business
school example is the price of diamonds, which is entirely artificial.
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Snipped dumb analogy

Linux is free, yet no one uses it.
Has nothing to do with price.
Linux is junk...confusing, unusable junk.

If it was any good....being free, it would possess 99% of the market.

It doesn't.

People will steal Vista/XP before using Linux for free.

THAT SAYS IT ALL.

PROOF.

No gainsaying that.

Windows pwns !
 
Hmmmm, this means that Linus Torvalds bought sex because he couldn't get it
for free. Did he really say such stupid thing or was it you that said it??
 
Oleg said:
Hmmmm, this means that Linus Torvalds bought sex because he couldn't get
it for free. Did he really say such stupid thing or was it you that said
it??
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It wasn't me who posted it, said it, copied to my signature..


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