Vista Ultimate stuck at 100% CPU permanently after upgrade from XP

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Ed Bennett

I just completed a (supposedly successful) Upgrade installation from XP
Pro SP2 to Vista Ultimate x86. The system is unbelievably (and unusably)
sluggish, with SYSTEM (NT Kernel & System) listed as the culprit (after
enabling "Show processes from all users").

Does anyone have any idea as to what could be causing this; and, more
importantly, how to solve the problem?

System: Athlon 64 3400+ notebook, 1GB RAM (PC2100 IIRC), 80GB HDD (25GB
boot partition, 5400RPM again IIRC), Mobility Radeon 9600.
 
Hi Ed,

is it possible that the search*.exe processes are also slowing down your
system? That's because a search index is build initially after
installation. Building the entire index took 2 (working) days on my laptop.

Torsten
Microsoft MVP - SMS

Am Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:47:23 +0000 schrieb Ed Bennett:
 
Ed--

How much CPU is this process entry using that you're calling the culprit?
Here's what I'd do. I'd try to do the usual steps to foreclose on CPU
demand--and you may have tried many.

Do these things and see if this helps:

Speed PC and Control CPU Tips/Steps
SPEED AND CPU:
_______________
1) Trim processes you don't need in TM. Google them or "search engine of
your choice them" if you have to.

2) Go to

services.msc in run box and turn off services not needed and there are some.

Vista Services Guide Part 1
http://www.tweakvista.com/article38662.aspx

Vista Services Guide Part 2
http://www.tweakvista.com/article38664.aspx

3) Run System File Checker.

SFC: http://www.updatexp.com/scannow-sfc.html

In Vista run it from an elevated command prompt. Right click command on
start and run as administrator.

4) Run 3 or so spyware scans Windows Defender, , Adaware, and Spybot

5) Probably the most important for speed consistently and efficient resource
use DEFRAG with www.raxco.com or www.diskeeeper.com with 15% free space on
drive if DK and or >5% if Raxco's Perfect Disk.
http://groups.msn.com/windowsxpcentral/spyware.msnw Download Adaware and

Spybot from here.
GOOD Overall Review for Defending Your PC:
http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
MSFT Defense Site MSFT Security:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/default.mspx
Protect Your PC from MSFT Security:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.mspx
MSFT Windows Defender
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx
MSFT MSRT: (Malicious Software Removal Tool)
http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx
MSFT "Windows One Care" in Wings (AV and Spyware Scans)
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/may05/05-13WindowsOneCarePR.mspx


6) Unck items from msconfig start tab you don't need starting and some
won't start--peoiple who think just uncking for many are naive because there
are 12 places things can be started including several reg keys like Run Once
keys and there are serveral.

7) Turn off Messaging service--it's a security vulnerability and it slows
you

8) Defrag very often every other day actually.

9) Turn off indexing.

10) Clear TIF and %temp% files (delete) and go to safe mode to get as many
as u can.

10) Do troubleshooting with msconfig.

11) Do Clean boot with msconfig utility and search for the directions here:

SERVICE CONFIGURATION REFERENCES*

*Vista Services*

Part One
http://www.tweakvista.com/article38662.aspx

Part Two
http://www.tweakvista.com/article38664.aspx

Windows Vista Services Tweak Guide v1.0
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=87443

Vista RTM Tweak Guide (Tweaks to Improve Performances)
http://www.google.com/search?source...,GGLJ:2006-47,GGLJ:en&q=vista+rtm+tweak+guide

1) Task Manager lists the services on the services tab in Vista.

2) Type services.msc in run box and using the list of services, click the
service and you'll get a description of services.

3) There is a list here of the default services and a description>>click
"default settings for services" in the left pane.
http://technet2.microsoft.com/Windo...afb8-43ce-b39d-50e6d5b89bf81033.mspx?mfr=true

4) To view service dependencies
1.
Open Services.

2.
In the details pane, right-click the service that you want to view
dependencies for, and then click Properties.

3.
Click the Dependencies tab.

4.
To view services that are associated dependencies of the selected service,
in the list on the Dependencies tab, click the plus sign next to the
service.

Many of the services but not all in Vista are the same as in XP, so in that
context:

http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/services.htm

Also see the extremely helpful site:
Black Viper's Service List

http://www.dead-eye.net/WinXP Services.htm


Black Viper's Site (Many of the same services in Vista)
http://www.dead-eye.net/WinXP Services.htm

http://www.z123.org/techsupport/xpservices.htm
http://www.geocities.com/ziyadhosein/xpserv1.htm
http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_content.php
This will be helpful
http://web.archive.org/web/20041128084144/www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm
______________________________________________________________________________________________
How to troubleshoot by using the System Configuration utility in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310560/
Resources for troubleshooting startup problems in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308041/
How to perform advanced clean-boot troubleshooting in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;316434
How to perform a clean boot in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353/
How to Disable a Service or Device that Prevents Windows from Starting
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310602/

Also ck out these references:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,5155,00.asp
http://www.speedupyourcomputer.windowsreinstall.com/index.htm and
http://www.extremetech.com/search_r...=how+to+speed+windows+xp&filterapp=&site=4P.S.

Defragging with a decent defrag every day will make a huge dent inefficient
resource/CPU use.Good luck,CH
Perfect Disk has a 5 month full functionality trial on now for Windows
Vista.

Good luck,

CH
 
Hey, Chad.

You forgot the kitchen sink there dude? <G>

--

Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User


Chad Harris said:
Ed--

How much CPU is this process entry using that you're calling the culprit?
Here's what I'd do. I'd try to do the usual steps to foreclose on CPU
demand--and you may have tried many.

Do these things and see if this helps:

Speed PC and Control CPU Tips/Steps
SPEED AND CPU:
_______________
1) Trim processes you don't need in TM. Google them or "search engine of
your choice them" if you have to.

2) Go to

services.msc in run box and turn off services not needed and there are
some.

Vista Services Guide Part 1
http://www.tweakvista.com/article38662.aspx

Vista Services Guide Part 2
http://www.tweakvista.com/article38664.aspx

3) Run System File Checker.

SFC: http://www.updatexp.com/scannow-sfc.html

In Vista run it from an elevated command prompt. Right click command on
start and run as administrator.

4) Run 3 or so spyware scans Windows Defender, , Adaware, and Spybot

5) Probably the most important for speed consistently and efficient
resource
use DEFRAG with www.raxco.com or www.diskeeeper.com with 15% free space on
drive if DK and or >5% if Raxco's Perfect Disk.
http://groups.msn.com/windowsxpcentral/spyware.msnw Download Adaware and

Spybot from here.
GOOD Overall Review for Defending Your PC:
http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com/
MSFT Defense Site MSFT Security:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/default.mspx
Protect Your PC from MSFT Security:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.mspx
MSFT Windows Defender
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx
MSFT MSRT: (Malicious Software Removal Tool)
http://www.microsoft.com/security/malwareremove/default.mspx
MSFT "Windows One Care" in Wings (AV and Spyware Scans)
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/may05/05-13WindowsOneCarePR.mspx


6) Unck items from msconfig start tab you don't need starting and some
won't start--peoiple who think just uncking for many are naive because
there
are 12 places things can be started including several reg keys like Run
Once
keys and there are serveral.

7) Turn off Messaging service--it's a security vulnerability and it slows
you

8) Defrag very often every other day actually.

9) Turn off indexing.

10) Clear TIF and %temp% files (delete) and go to safe mode to get as many
as u can.

10) Do troubleshooting with msconfig.

11) Do Clean boot with msconfig utility and search for the directions
here:

SERVICE CONFIGURATION REFERENCES*

*Vista Services*

Part One
http://www.tweakvista.com/article38662.aspx

Part Two
http://www.tweakvista.com/article38664.aspx

Windows Vista Services Tweak Guide v1.0
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=87443

Vista RTM Tweak Guide (Tweaks to Improve Performances)
http://www.google.com/search?source...,GGLJ:2006-47,GGLJ:en&q=vista+rtm+tweak+guide

1) Task Manager lists the services on the services tab in Vista.

2) Type services.msc in run box and using the list of services, click the
service and you'll get a description of services.

3) There is a list here of the default services and a description>>click
"default settings for services" in the left pane.
http://technet2.microsoft.com/Windo...afb8-43ce-b39d-50e6d5b89bf81033.mspx?mfr=true

4) To view service dependencies
1.
Open Services.

2.
In the details pane, right-click the service that you want to view
dependencies for, and then click Properties.

3.
Click the Dependencies tab.

4.
To view services that are associated dependencies of the selected service,
in the list on the Dependencies tab, click the plus sign next to the
service.

Many of the services but not all in Vista are the same as in XP, so in
that
context:

http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/services.htm

Also see the extremely helpful site:
Black Viper's Service List

http://www.dead-eye.net/WinXP Services.htm


Black Viper's Site (Many of the same services in Vista)
http://www.dead-eye.net/WinXP Services.htm

http://www.z123.org/techsupport/xpservices.htm
http://www.geocities.com/ziyadhosein/xpserv1.htm
http://www.pacs-portal.co.uk/startup_content.php
This will be helpful
http://web.archive.org/web/20041128084144/www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm
______________________________________________________________________________________________
How to troubleshoot by using the System Configuration utility in Windows
XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310560/
Resources for troubleshooting startup problems in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308041/
How to perform advanced clean-boot troubleshooting in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;316434
How to perform a clean boot in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353/
How to Disable a Service or Device that Prevents Windows from Starting
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310602/

Also ck out these references:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,5155,00.asp
http://www.speedupyourcomputer.windowsreinstall.com/index.htm and
http://www.extremetech.com/search_r...=how+to+speed+windows+xp&filterapp=&site=4P.S.

Defragging with a decent defrag every day will make a huge dent
inefficient
resource/CPU use.Good luck,CH
Perfect Disk has a 5 month full functionality trial on now for Windows
Vista.

Good luck,

CH
 
Chad said:
How much CPU is this process entry using that you're calling the culprit?

It was ~89 - 91%. SSDPSRV was stuck in the "Starting" state, so I
thought that might be stalling or somehow causing the problem, so I
tried disabling it. After doing that, the machine would not boot (Safe
Mode hangs at or after CRCDISK.SYS).

I'm going to re-image from my backup of XP and try again in a couple of
months.

Cheers for the responses, sorry I didn't get to try any of the solutions!
 
Torsten said:
is it possible that the search*.exe processes are also slowing down your
system? That's because a search index is build initially after
installation. Building the entire index took 2 (working) days on my laptop.

Surely though that should take place during idle time, and not render
the machine unusable?

Even the machine I'm typing on now (PIII 933, 512MB PC133, ATI 9200SE
PCI) performed better than that on completion of installation, and has
improved further since.
 
Chad said:
How much CPU is this process entry using that you're calling the culprit?
Here's what I'd do. I'd try to do the usual steps to foreclose on CPU
demand--and you may have tried many.

Ooh wow, Last Known Good rendered the system bootable again - although
I'm not sure how a fragmented disk could cause massive CPU usage.

Now I've got to judge whether I'm going to be able to fix the problem
before I really need the machine working, or whether it's safer just to
restore to my last backup...
 
we've known since Windows 3.x that an upgrade simply is never as clean as a
fresh install. even if an "upgrade" is successful, do you really want to run
it that way? piece of mind that your system is "clean" and fresh only comes
from a fresh install. cant we all stop upgrading??
 
So having purchased XP Pro, I'm supposed to fork over $400 for the full
retail version of Vista and NOT pay the upgrade price I'm entitled to all
because MS can't figure out how to upgrade an OS properly?

In that case, I'll buy the upgrade license then pirate the full version so I
can get this "fresh" and "clean" install that seems to be REQUIRED in order
to run Vista properly.
 
Justin said:
So having purchased XP Pro, I'm supposed to fork over $400 for the full
retail version of Vista and NOT pay the upgrade price I'm entitled to all
because MS can't figure out how to upgrade an OS properly?

In that case, I'll buy the upgrade license then pirate the full version so
I can get this "fresh" and "clean" install that seems to be REQUIRED in
order to run Vista properly.

That wouldn't be a bad idea if it'd work, but it won't. The keys for
upgrade licences are different.

ss.
 
Troy said:
we've known since Windows 3.x that an upgrade simply is never as clean
as a fresh install. even if an "upgrade" is successful, do you really
want to run it that way? piece of mind that your system is "clean" and
fresh only comes from a fresh install. cant we all stop upgrading??

I heard it was "different" in Vista, as it effectively does a clean
install followed by a Windows Easy Transfer. I suppose it could be
slightly cleaner if I chose the transfer options myself.
 
I guess you didn't understand. I said to buy the upgrade and STEAL the
full. The upgrade key has nothing to do with it. Either way the end result
is I have the right to use Vista I'm just going about it the wrong way.
 
Ed Bennett said:
I heard it was "different" in Vista, as it effectively does a clean
install followed by a Windows Easy Transfer. I suppose it could be
slightly cleaner if I chose the transfer options myself.


Yes, I would think that it would put the old OS in a Windows_OLD folder,
like it did when I reinstalled Vista. The new installation will be a clean
installation in reality.

ss.
 
The upgrade edition product key has everything to do with it. The upgrade
edition dvd's and full edition dvd's are identical. Vista Setup branches on
the product key. Once you have the upgrade edition dvd you've got it all.
It just takes a full edition product key to unlock everything.
 
Holy Crap People!!!! :)

Check it out!

1. Go buy the Vista Upgrade Retail Box. This way MS has my money and all
"should" be well. Even thou it's not.
2. Take the box home.
3. Throw that box in the garbage! With the exception of whatever
certificate I need for proof of ownership.
4. Pirate the Full Version. Key and all.

In no way does the Upgrade Key mater since I'm NOT using it! I'm 100%
stealing an OS that I bought the right to use ;p

Money wise, we're square. Even though I would be breaking the EULA.
However MS can shove their EULA where the sun don't shine.

Obviously I wont do this since the resulting installation would not be
recognized online but whatever, the point is still there.
 
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