Vista Sound Issues

[Dan]

The sound card properties crash and I sent the report to Microsoft and
they said this would be fixed in RTM (release to manufacturing) version.
Why not fix this issue in another beta release and have a RC2 version?
In addition, I managed to get a little sound out of one speaker but that
is it and I have a Creative Audigy 1 sound card that is still supported
by Creative, thank goodness for that, but unfortunately the sound
drivers provided by Creative are also beta and so they do not work
correctly. Creative has said that they will not provide any support for
a beta product. What are my options to get sound working in Vista.
Thanks in advance for any replies.

 

[Guest]

Mine works fine with RC1 - I got the Audigy family drivers from Creative's
site and even my mic works Ok now - so I can use the speech recognition

 

[Dan]

Mine works fine with RC1 - I got the Audigy family drivers from Creative's
site and even my mic works Ok now - so I can use the speech recognition

Do you have Sound Blaster Audigy 1 or a later version?

 

[Rock]

"Dan" <wrote

The sound card properties crash and I sent the report to Microsoft and
they said this would be fixed in RTM (release to manufacturing) version.
Why not fix this issue in another beta release and have a RC2 version? In
addition, I managed to get a little sound out of one speaker but that is
it and I have a Creative Audigy 1 sound card that is still supported by
Creative, thank goodness for that, but unfortunately the sound drivers
provided by Creative are also beta and so they do not work correctly.
Creative has said that they will not provide any support for a beta
product. What are my options to get sound working in Vista. Thanks in
advance for any replies.

I have the Audigy 1 card and am using the Creative Beta 2 drivers. The
results have been inconsistent. On a clean install of RC1 it worked at
first but no sound from the rear two speakers in a 4.1 surround sound setup.
Going into Control Panel | Sound | Speakers | Configure and running the
configure wizard the sound was inconsistent from each speaker - sometimes
there, sometimes not, sometimes static, and the dialog box would shake at
each test click. Finally it BSOD with a 0x0000007E error. I uninstalled
and reinstalled the drivers but no go - the sound won't come back.

On an installation of RC1 as an upgrade from XP Pro in a different partition
on the same system, the sound has been working fine except again no sound
from the rear two speakers. The speaker set up wizard runs fine, though,
with sound from all speakers when test, and no BSOD or shaking of the dialog
box, but still no sound from the rear two speakers in media player or any
other sound program.

So the bottom line is the drivers are not yet release quality. When
Creative will have something I don't know.

 

[Dan]

"Dan" <wrote



I have the Audigy 1 card and am using the Creative Beta 2 drivers. The
results have been inconsistent. On a clean install of RC1 it worked at
first but no sound from the rear two speakers in a 4.1 surround sound
setup. Going into Control Panel | Sound | Speakers | Configure and
running the configure wizard the sound was inconsistent from each
speaker - sometimes there, sometimes not, sometimes static, and the
dialog box would shake at each test click. Finally it BSOD with a
0x0000007E error. I uninstalled and reinstalled the drivers but no go -
the sound won't come back.

On an installation of RC1 as an upgrade from XP Pro in a different
partition on the same system, the sound has been working fine except
again no sound from the rear two speakers. The speaker set up wizard
runs fine, though, with sound from all speakers when test, and no BSOD
or shaking of the dialog box, but still no sound from the rear two
speakers in media player or any other sound program.

So the bottom line is the drivers are not yet release quality. When
Creative will have something I don't know.

Thank you so much for your great reply, Rock and you are an
awesome and kind person for giving me such a detailed and useful reply.
You truly deserve your MVP status.
The driver set from Creative is supposed to expire in November and
perhaps the next set will be more stable. I talked with Microsoft
support about this issue and Microsoft is considering having a RC2
(Release Candidate 2) operating system with more bug fixes such as this
one even though it said in a notice that the issue will be fixed in RTM.
(Release to Manufacturing) In my opinion, that would be a stupid time
to fix it because the operating system would not be fully stable. I
think Microsoft should have a fully stable and of course secure
operating system with Windows Vista before they release it unless
Microsoft is planning to screw up royally. <excuse the language -- I
feel it needed to be said> If Microsoft really wants a good and secure
operating system then they could set an expiration date on RC2 when the
operating system will no longer be of any use so Microsoft could prevent
someone who is not honest from continuing to use the Release Candidate
version and not buying the full retail copy or upgrade and thus cheating
Microsoft out of their money.
I also hope they continue to make the Internet Explorer default
settings more secure because I still needed to fine tune them for better
security. I have had one notice of a Blue Screen which I sent to
Microsoft for analysis. The strange thing was that I received a notice
but I did not get the traditional blue screen and the computer did not
restart which I do not want enabled of course.

 

[Rock]

Thank you so much for your great reply, Rock and you are an awesome
and kind person for giving me such a detailed and useful reply. You truly
deserve your MVP status.
The driver set from Creative is supposed to expire in November and
perhaps the next set will be more stable. I talked with Microsoft support
about this issue and Microsoft is considering having a RC2 (Release
Candidate 2) operating system with more bug fixes such as this one even
though it said in a notice that the issue will be fixed in RTM. (Release
to Manufacturing) In my opinion, that would be a stupid time to fix it
because the operating system would not be fully stable. I think Microsoft
should have a fully stable and of course secure operating system with
Windows Vista before they release it unless Microsoft is planning to screw
up royally. <excuse the language -- I feel it needed to be said> If
Microsoft really wants a good and secure operating system then they could
set an expiration date on RC2 when the operating system will no longer be
of any use so Microsoft could prevent someone who is not honest from
continuing to use the Release Candidate version and not buying the full
retail copy or upgrade and thus cheating Microsoft out of their money.
I also hope they continue to make the Internet Explorer default
settings more secure because I still needed to fine tune them for better
security. I have had one notice of a Blue Screen which I sent to
Microsoft for analysis. The strange thing was that I received a notice
but I did not get the traditional blue screen and the computer did not
restart which I do not want enabled of course.

You're welcome. MS can't control what the hardware vendors do in making
Vista compatible drivers. Hopefully Creative will have one that works with
Vista by RTM. There will be other builds of Vista before RTM, they just
won't be released publicly.

 

[Dan]

You're welcome. MS can't control what the hardware vendors do in making
Vista compatible drivers. Hopefully Creative will have one that works
with Vista by RTM. There will be other builds of Vista before RTM, they
just won't be released publicly.

How can I test them if I am a power user who works directly with
Microsoft. I have talked about a Classics series for 98SE users that
Microsoft is now considering as of yesterday the ball is finally rolling
on this idea. I will not go into any more details about it here but it
is shaping up to be a possible replacement for older computers that
cannot run XP due to hardware that supports 98SE but not XP.

 

[Rock]

How can I test them if I am a power user who works directly with
Microsoft. I have talked about a Classics series for 98SE users that
Microsoft is now considering as of yesterday the ball is finally rolling
on this idea. I will not go into any more details about it here but it is
shaping up to be a possible replacement for older computers that cannot
run XP due to hardware that supports 98SE but not XP.

I don't know. They will be released to the Tech Beta group, among others.

 

[Dan]

I don't know. They will be released to the Tech Beta group, among others.

Thanks, I guess I will just ask Microsoft. BTW, I just thought of
something. My Epson printer did not work in Vista and I installed the
XP driver(s) and it now works fine. Rock, do you think that the Sound
Blaster Creative Audigy 1 --- XP driver(s) would work well in Vista. I
think even if the XP driver(s) from Creative do not work then it is at
least worth a try. Rock, what do you think and thanks for your help.

 

[Rock]

Thanks, I guess I will just ask Microsoft. BTW, I just thought of
something. My Epson printer did not work in Vista and I installed the XP
driver(s) and it now works fine. Rock, do you think that the Sound
Blaster Creative Audigy 1 --- XP driver(s) would work well in Vista. I
think even if the XP driver(s) from Creative do not work then it is at
least worth a try. Rock, what do you think and thanks for your help.

You're lucky the printer is working. I, as many others, am out of luck with
that. Many printer manufacturers won't be providing Vista compatible
drivers either.

I don't think I have tried the XP Creative drivers in RC1 from a clean
install. I know they wouldn't work in earlier releases - with a lot posts
about that. I don't believe there is much hope the would in RC1. Also,
one of the installs of RC1 is an upgrade from XP which had the Creative
drivers. They were not carried over, though the NIC card driver was, so I
assumed they wouldn't work from a clean install.

Funny it's the upgrade from XP SP2 install that is working fairly well with
the Creative Beta 2 drivers. Found out last night that although the rear
speakers don't work when playing mp3 files, nor when playing a commercial
DVD in Windows Media Player, the rear speakers work when playing a
commercial DVD in Windows Media Center. Go Figure.

 

[Dan]

You're lucky the printer is working. I, as many others, am out of luck
with that. Many printer manufacturers won't be providing Vista
compatible drivers either.

I don't think I have tried the XP Creative drivers in RC1 from a clean
install. I know they wouldn't work in earlier releases - with a lot
posts about that. I don't believe there is much hope the would in
RC1. Also, one of the installs of RC1 is an upgrade from XP which had
the Creative drivers. They were not carried over, though the NIC card
driver was, so I assumed they wouldn't work from a clean install.

Funny it's the upgrade from XP SP2 install that is working fairly well
with the Creative Beta 2 drivers. Found out last night that although
the rear speakers don't work when playing mp3 files, nor when playing a
commercial DVD in Windows Media Player, the rear speakers work when
playing a commercial DVD in Windows Media Center. Go Figure.

Interesting, I have a 4.1 speaker setup with Cambridge Soundworks
speakers -- 4 small but fairly powerful speakers and a subwoofer. What
about your speaker set up? I think I will try the XP Creative driver(s)
just to see if they work and if they do not work then I am no worse off
then I am in Vista without sound.

 

[Rock]

Interesting, I have a 4.1 speaker setup with Cambridge Soundworks
speakers -- 4 small but fairly powerful speakers and a subwoofer. What
about your speaker set up? I think I will try the XP Creative driver(s)
just to see if they work and if they do not work then I am no worse off
then I am in Vista without sound.

Similar, 4.1 surround, Boston Acoustics.

 

[Dan]

Similar, 4.1 surround, Boston Acoustics.

Well, I tried the older Sound Blaster XP drivers and no joy since they
said it had detected a newer version although I had removed the newer
driver. Well, I doubt they would have worked anyway and perhaps
Creative released the beta Vista drivers for the Sound Blaster Audigy
because they knew the older XP driver would not work. I can only hope
Creative releases a better driver set in November that will work when
these driver(s) expire.

 

[Rock]

Well, I tried the older Sound Blaster XP drivers and no joy since they
said it had detected a newer version although I had removed the newer
driver. Well, I doubt they would have worked anyway and perhaps Creative
released the beta Vista drivers for the Sound Blaster Audigy because they
knew the older XP driver would not work. I can only hope Creative
releases a better driver set in November that will work when these
driver(s) expire.

Yep.

 

[Dan]

Yep.

Rock, do you have a chance to test the Sound Blaster Audigy 1 XP drivers
in a clean install of Vista to see if they work since I got the error
message about there being newer drivers installed even after I removed
the newer Vista beta drivers. I know it is a very long shot and if you
do not want to go to the trouble then I understand.
<mutters to self --- I should have installed the XP drivers first to see
if they would work before going straight to beta sound Vista drivers ---
mental note for future -- smile >

 

[Rock]

Rock, do you have a chance to test the Sound Blaster Audigy 1 XP drivers
in a clean install of Vista to see if they work since I got the error
message about there being newer drivers installed even after I removed the
newer Vista beta drivers. I know it is a very long shot and if you do not
want to go to the trouble then I understand.
<mutters to self --- I should have installed the XP drivers first to see
if they would work before going straight to beta sound Vista drivers ---
mental note for future -- smile >

Sorry, I don't. They just released a new build on TechBeta today. I am
burning it now and will be doing an upgrade on RC1 (which was an upgrade
from a bare bones XP SP2 installation) on the system where the sound mostly
works which is the one I'm typing this on.

After that I'll blow away the clean install of RC1 where the sound isn't
working and try the new build with the Creative Beta Drivers. I'm not
inclined to try the XP drivers since I sincerely doubt they will work, and I
don't want to have it then not allow me to install the Beta drivers. I
don't want to have to blow it away again and do another clean install,
although they are pretty fast now, I must say. Took me 27 minutes the last
time for the clean install.

 

[Rock]

Rock, do you have a chance to test the Sound Blaster Audigy 1 XP drivers
in a clean install of Vista to see if they work since I got the error
message about there being newer drivers installed even after I removed the
newer Vista beta drivers. I know it is a very long shot and if you do not
want to go to the trouble then I understand.
<mutters to self --- I should have installed the XP drivers first to see
if they would work before going straight to beta sound Vista drivers ---
mental note for future -- smile >

Apparently they changed their minds and are releasing the next build to CPP,
Build 5728. It's available now. Here is a link for it.

http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/rc1/en/download-5728.htm

I have done a clean install of it. The Creative Beta drivers act the same
as the clean install in RC1. Running the Configure Wizard for the speakers
gives flaky results. I quite before it BSOD, and I still have sound but not
in the rear speakers.

To early to say how it runs but it installed fine in 28 minutes.

 

[Dan]

Sorry, I don't. They just released a new build on TechBeta today. I am
burning it now and will be doing an upgrade on RC1 (which was an
upgrade from a bare bones XP SP2 installation) on the system where the
sound mostly works which is the one I'm typing this on.

After that I'll blow away the clean install of RC1 where the sound isn't
working and try the new build with the Creative Beta Drivers. I'm not
inclined to try the XP drivers since I sincerely doubt they will work,
and I don't want to have it then not allow me to install the Beta
drivers. I don't want to have to blow it away again and do another
clean install, although they are pretty fast now, I must say. Took me
27 minutes the last time for the clean install.

Sweetness, I just read about this new build too and plan to get it as
well. Sorry, I have not posted for a while because the 98SE side of my
computer had some issues that are now resolved.

 

[Dan]

Apparently they changed their minds and are releasing the next build to
CPP, Build 5728. It's available now. Here is a link for it.

http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/rc1/en/download-5728.htm

I have done a clean install of it. The Creative Beta drivers act the
same as the clean install in RC1. Running the Configure Wizard for the
speakers gives flaky results. I quite before it BSOD, and I still have
sound but not in the rear speakers.

To early to say how it runs but it installed fine in 28 minutes.

Thanks for the update, Rock. I have been in contact by phone with
Microsoft about this and by email with Creative. Creative will have a
stable package of audio drivers by the time Vista is released -- thank
goodness and it looks like Audigy 1-4 all will be supported --- YES!!
and this makes life so nice for me. I want to hold onto the 98SE side
for as long as possible since I use it to run older legacy programs such
as Space which was developed for Windows 3.1 and will not run even with
compatibility mode in XP. Windows XP Professional is nice for Itunes
and my IPOD and I use Office XP with it since I do not want Office XP
bogging down 98SE too much although it is supported on 98SE. Thtere is
now a possibility that my idea for a Classic Windows Series will come
true and a Microsoft Support Representative named Vinod in India was
very supportive of the idea. He even said that I should work for
Microsoft and that is okay but my passion is teaching children while my
hobby is computers. <grin>