Vista ... even Ultimatex64... will have no SMTP Service?

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Sorry for the chicken-little but I figured you kind folks would be able to
provide information to calm me down :)


"The SMTP service is required for using the SMTP delivery protocol, but it
is not installed with Windows Vista. To use the SMTP delivery protocol on
Windows Vista, you must separately install an SMTP service."

That's from: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms172485.aspx

That doesn't say "beta only" it just says Vista. And it includes the
Ultimate Edition (for developers, right?). Also, because someone elsewhere
told me that it was related to Exchange 2007 being 64bit only... we're
running Vista 64 Utilmate and it just ain't there.

Can anyone explain how Developers are to be coding .Net SMTP or CDO without
the SMTP Service? Argosoft doesn't come in 64bit ;-)

Does this mean that MS is firing the whole .Net System.Mail team?

Thanks for any insights.

smith
kirkland, wa
 
"news.microsoft.com"
Sorry for the chicken-little but I figured you kind folks would be
able to provide information to calm me down :)

"The SMTP service is required for using the SMTP delivery protocol,
but it is not installed with Windows Vista. To use the SMTP delivery
protocol on Windows Vista, you must separately install an SMTP
service."
Click to expand...

Vista SMTP *sending* works just fine from a mail client, but there
isn't a relaying or receiving server component included - which is
actually quite good considering all the hassle involved with
misconfigured and unconfigured SMTP-servers out there...

-Reko
 
Thanks Reko...

Didn't know it was so hard for pros to set up their SMTP servers ;-).

SendMail is important, however trapping events in the chain was, I thought,
pretty important too esp for developers.

Ah well, I can't really complain too much... Virtual Server 2005 R2 is free
so you can just spin up a VM of a server OS (or your old XP copy) to test
event sinking, but it just gets in the way.

-s
 
"news.microsoft.com"
Thanks Reko...

Didn't know it was so hard for pros to set up their SMTP servers
;-).
Click to expand...

You can't ever be sure about the technical savviness or the skill
level of the person you're responding in these newsgroups :)

Once one of the sysadmins in my old workplace did install a IIS server
for testing our clients site to our DMZ with SMTP enabled (the client
website needed the functionality). He however forgot the "no relaying"
tick and the box was merrily sending spam in under 6 hours after
setup - and the IP had been unused for several months before that
incident :) (This happened to a admin who is generally quite smart
securitywise...)
SendMail is important, however trapping events in the chain was, I
thought, pretty important too esp for developers.
Click to expand...

Yeah, now I understand what you were meaning when needing SMTP
functionality - after reading your post I thought you needed it just
for relaying private mail upstream.
Ah well, I can't really complain too much... Virtual Server 2005 R2
is free so you can just spin up a VM of a server OS (or your old XP
copy) to test event sinking, but it just gets in the way.
Click to expand...

Maybe put a feature request about returning the SMTP with the reasons
you gave in here to Microsoft as the sending and testing SMTP is a
good thing to have for certain website related stuff. (And mentioning
that the server shouldn't relay by default :P) Dunno then if keeping
the IIS SMTP service secure etc. was too big a chore and the effort is
behind Exchance these days.

Of course you might try some lightweight SMTP service as a workaround
(there should be some available for Windows), or then setup a smaller
box with obsoleteish hardware running a lighter OS and use it as a
test mail server.

-Reko
 
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