Vista computer no longer "listed" when browsing workgroup

[Guest]

After conquering the numerous Vista / XP networking and file sharing issues
many months ago when I bought my first Vista laptop, I have a new problem:

When I "explore" the default workgroup, of which all of my computers are a
member (I have double-checked), in My Network Places on any of my XP
machines, I no longer see my Vista computer listed. I can type the Vista
computer name in the address bar ("\\Vistmach") and it is then listed as
being in the workgroup, after a brief delay, along with all of the XP
computers. I have no problems file sharing, mapping drives, etc. -- just
this problem browsing to it. As soon as I exit exploring and then re-explore
My Network Places, the Vista machine once again is not listed.

Exploring on the Vista machine is not a problem; the Vista computer and all
of the XP computers are shown as being in the workgroup and can be browsed.

Didn't use to be this way. Maybe it started with a security update? Any
suggestions?

 

[Chuck [MVP]]

After conquering the numerous Vista / XP networking and file sharing issues
many months ago when I bought my first Vista laptop, I have a new problem:

When I "explore" the default workgroup, of which all of my computers are a
member (I have double-checked), in My Network Places on any of my XP
machines, I no longer see my Vista computer listed. I can type the Vista
computer name in the address bar ("\\Vistmach") and it is then listed as
being in the workgroup, after a brief delay, along with all of the XP
computers. I have no problems file sharing, mapping drives, etc. -- just
this problem browsing to it. As soon as I exit exploring and then re-explore
My Network Places, the Vista machine once again is not listed.

Exploring on the Vista machine is not a problem; the Vista computer and all
of the XP computers are shown as being in the workgroup and can be browsed.

Didn't use to be this way. Maybe it started with a security update? Any
suggestions?

You have a problem with browser SMBs. This is generally a personal firewall, or
NetBT, problem.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html

You may be able to diagnose the problem, with logs from "browstat status",
"ipconfig /all", "net config server", and "net config workstation", from each
computer. Read this article, and linked articles, and follow instructions
precisely (download browstat!):
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

 

[Guest]

Via browstat I learned that my master browser is now the SimpleTech network
storage drive I bought a month or 2 ago:

Status for domain MODHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{61114AB8-4C9B-436C-B7A0-C1A4984D2B44}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: NETWORKDRIVE
Could not open key in registry, error = -1073741809 Unable to
determine build of browser master: -1073741809
\\\\NETWORKDRIVE . Version:04.09 Flags: 9a03 NT SERVER
1 backup servers retrieved from master NETWORKDRIVE
\\NETWORKDRIVE
There are 2 servers in domain MODHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{61114AB8-4C9B-436C-B7A0-C1A4984D2B44}
There are 1 domains in domain MODHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{61114AB8-4C9B-436C-B7A0-C1A4984D2B44}

If I turn the network drive off, my only desktop, which I had set a long
time ago to be the master browser, becomes the master browser and the Vista
computer then becomes visible to the XP computers. If I turn the network
drive back on, it soon takes over again.

I have been through all the options on the network storage drive and don't
see any way to prevent it from taking over as master browser. Any ideas? I
would buy a new network storage drive and trash the Simple Tech if I knew
that another drive would behave differently.

After conquering the numerous Vista / XP networking and file sharing issues
many months ago when I bought my first Vista laptop, I have a new problem:

When I "explore" the default workgroup, of which all of my computers are a
member (I have double-checked), in My Network Places on any of my XP
machines, I no longer see my Vista computer listed. I can type the Vista
computer name in the address bar ("\\Vistmach") and it is then listed as
being in the workgroup, after a brief delay, along with all of the XP
computers. I have no problems file sharing, mapping drives, etc. -- just
this problem browsing to it. As soon as I exit exploring and then re-explore
My Network Places, the Vista machine once again is not listed.

Exploring on the Vista machine is not a problem; the Vista computer and all
of the XP computers are shown as being in the workgroup and can be browsed.

Didn't use to be this way. Maybe it started with a security update? Any
suggestions?

You have a problem with browser SMBs. This is generally a personal firewall, or
NetBT, problem.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/07/advanced-windows-networking-using.html

You may be able to diagnose the problem, with logs from "browstat status",
"ipconfig /all", "net config server", and "net config workstation", from each
computer. Read this article, and linked articles, and follow instructions
precisely (download browstat!):
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

 

[Chuck [MVP]]

Via browstat I learned that my master browser is now the SimpleTech network
storage drive I bought a month or 2 ago:

Status for domain MODHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{61114AB8-4C9B-436C-B7A0-C1A4984D2B44}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: NETWORKDRIVE
Could not open key in registry, error = -1073741809 Unable to
determine build of browser master: -1073741809
\\\\NETWORKDRIVE . Version:04.09 Flags: 9a03 NT SERVER
1 backup servers retrieved from master NETWORKDRIVE
\\NETWORKDRIVE
There are 2 servers in domain MODHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{61114AB8-4C9B-436C-B7A0-C1A4984D2B44}
There are 1 domains in domain MODHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{61114AB8-4C9B-436C-B7A0-C1A4984D2B44}

If I turn the network drive off, my only desktop, which I had set a long
time ago to be the master browser, becomes the master browser and the Vista
computer then becomes visible to the XP computers. If I turn the network
drive back on, it soon takes over again.

I have been through all the options on the network storage drive and don't
see any way to prevent it from taking over as master browser. Any ideas? I
would buy a new network storage drive and trash the Simple Tech if I knew
that another drive would behave differently.

Which computer do you prefer as master browser? Make that decision first. Then
reset the problem.

1) Power all computers off.
2) Power the master browser computer on, and bring it up and online. It will
elect itself master browser. Give this about 1/2 hour.
3) Power all other computers, and the network drive, up and bring them online.
4) Run "browstat status" on all computers, and compare.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

 

[Guest]

I did as you suggested. Shut all computers down, then booted the computer I
want to be master browser (my XP desktop). I left it on for about an hour.
Ran browstat on it and it was the master browser. Booted other computers and
the network storage drive. Worked fine for a while.

I subsequently had to reboot the XP desktop (software update). Network
drive more or less immediately took over as master browser. The only
"solution" I can think of is to shut down the network drive whenever I need
to reboot the desktop and leave it off until the desktop has re-established
itself as master browser. Probably will need to shut down all other machines
too -- at one point in all my trials, my Vista laptop took over as master
browser. I would really like a way around this -- seems like I shouldn't
have to shut down everything every time I need to reboot my desktop. And of
course it wouldn't matter if the network drive could list the Vistat laptop
-- it is able to list all the XP computers. Any suggestions on how to make
this happen?

Via browstat I learned that my master browser is now the SimpleTech network
storage drive I bought a month or 2 ago:

Status for domain MODHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{61114AB8-4C9B-436C-B7A0-C1A4984D2B44}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: NETWORKDRIVE
Could not open key in registry, error = -1073741809 Unable to
determine build of browser master: -1073741809
\\\\NETWORKDRIVE . Version:04.09 Flags: 9a03 NT SERVER
1 backup servers retrieved from master NETWORKDRIVE
\\NETWORKDRIVE
There are 2 servers in domain MODHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{61114AB8-4C9B-436C-B7A0-C1A4984D2B44}
There are 1 domains in domain MODHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{61114AB8-4C9B-436C-B7A0-C1A4984D2B44}

If I turn the network drive off, my only desktop, which I had set a long
time ago to be the master browser, becomes the master browser and the Vista
computer then becomes visible to the XP computers. If I turn the network
drive back on, it soon takes over again.

I have been through all the options on the network storage drive and don't
see any way to prevent it from taking over as master browser. Any ideas? I
would buy a new network storage drive and trash the Simple Tech if I knew
that another drive would behave differently.

Which computer do you prefer as master browser? Make that decision first. Then
reset the problem.

1) Power all computers off.
2) Power the master browser computer on, and bring it up and online. It will
elect itself master browser. Give this about 1/2 hour.
3) Power all other computers, and the network drive, up and bring them online.
4) Run "browstat status" on all computers, and compare.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

 

[Chuck [MVP]]

I did as you suggested. Shut all computers down, then booted the computer I
want to be master browser (my XP desktop). I left it on for about an hour.
Ran browstat on it and it was the master browser. Booted other computers and
the network storage drive. Worked fine for a while.

I subsequently had to reboot the XP desktop (software update). Network
drive more or less immediately took over as master browser. The only
"solution" I can think of is to shut down the network drive whenever I need
to reboot the desktop and leave it off until the desktop has re-established
itself as master browser. Probably will need to shut down all other machines
too -- at one point in all my trials, my Vista laptop took over as master
browser. I would really like a way around this -- seems like I shouldn't
have to shut down everything every time I need to reboot my desktop. And of
course it wouldn't matter if the network drive could list the Vistat laptop
-- it is able to list all the XP computers. Any suggestions on how to make
this happen?

The best solution is to pick a master browser that will be on 7 x 24 (or at
least whenever any computer is on), and disable the browser service on the
others. Or at least on all but 2. Minimise the number of browsers, and you
minimise the chance of a master browser election being held.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html#Prevent>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html#Prevent

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

 

[Guest]

I agree that master browser should be enabled on only one computer (my XP
desktop, which is on 24/7 except when it must be re-booted for Windows
updates, software updates, etc.). Only problem is, the NAS network storage
drive is a standalone member of the workgroup but is not controllable like a
computer -- it is controlled via a very limited html interface (from other
computers on the network) and there is no setting in that interface for
anything as "sophisticated" as turning off the computer browser service on
it. Frankly I am surprised that the service exists on it in the first place.
I was very surpirsed when I ran browstat the first time and saw that my
"external drive" was the master browser.

I did as you suggested. Shut all computers down, then booted the computer I
want to be master browser (my XP desktop). I left it on for about an hour.
Ran browstat on it and it was the master browser. Booted other computers and
the network storage drive. Worked fine for a while.

I subsequently had to reboot the XP desktop (software update). Network
drive more or less immediately took over as master browser. The only
"solution" I can think of is to shut down the network drive whenever I need
to reboot the desktop and leave it off until the desktop has re-established
itself as master browser. Probably will need to shut down all other machines
too -- at one point in all my trials, my Vista laptop took over as master
browser. I would really like a way around this -- seems like I shouldn't
have to shut down everything every time I need to reboot my desktop. And of
course it wouldn't matter if the network drive could list the Vistat laptop
-- it is able to list all the XP computers. Any suggestions on how to make
this happen?

The best solution is to pick a master browser that will be on 7 x 24 (or at
least whenever any computer is on), and disable the browser service on the
others. Or at least on all but 2. Minimise the number of browsers, and you
minimise the chance of a master browser election being held.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html#Prevent>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html#Prevent

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

 

[Chuck [MVP]]

I agree that master browser should be enabled on only one computer (my XP
desktop, which is on 24/7 except when it must be re-booted for Windows
updates, software updates, etc.). Only problem is, the NAS network storage
drive is a standalone member of the workgroup but is not controllable like a
computer -- it is controlled via a very limited html interface (from other
computers on the network) and there is no setting in that interface for
anything as "sophisticated" as turning off the computer browser service on
it. Frankly I am surprised that the service exists on it in the first place.
I was very surpirsed when I ran browstat the first time and saw that my
"external drive" was the master browser.

So does the NAS drive stay on 7 x 24? If so, make IT the master browser. As
long as all computers agree, you can make any computer the master browser. It
sounds like that's your only choice.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/12/nas-has-its-own-limitations.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/12/nas-has-its-own-limitations.html

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

 

[Guest]

The network drive is on 24/7, less need to reboot, etc. Only problem is,
when it is the master browser it does not seem to "list" the Vista laptop, so
none of the XP computers can browse to it.

I agree that master browser should be enabled on only one computer (my XP
desktop, which is on 24/7 except when it must be re-booted for Windows
updates, software updates, etc.). Only problem is, the NAS network storage
drive is a standalone member of the workgroup but is not controllable like a
computer -- it is controlled via a very limited html interface (from other
computers on the network) and there is no setting in that interface for
anything as "sophisticated" as turning off the computer browser service on
it. Frankly I am surprised that the service exists on it in the first place.
I was very surpirsed when I ran browstat the first time and saw that my
"external drive" was the master browser.

So does the NAS drive stay on 7 x 24? If so, make IT the master browser. As
long as all computers agree, you can make any computer the master browser. It
sounds like that's your only choice.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/12/nas-has-its-own-limitations.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/12/nas-has-its-own-limitations.html

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

 

[Chuck [MVP]]

The network drive is on 24/7, less need to reboot, etc. Only problem is,
when it is the master browser it does not seem to "list" the Vista laptop, so
none of the XP computers can browse to it.

So what does "browstat status" on the Vista computer show? Do you have NetBT
set consistently?

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

 

[Guest]

Status for domain MODHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8537512C-5602-4191-B395-1C08523B7F2C}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: NETWORKDRIVE
Could not open key in registry, error = -1073741809 Unable to
determine build of browser master: -1073741809
\\\\NETWORKDRIVE . Version:04.09 Flags: 9a03 NT SERVER
1 backup servers retrieved from master NETWORKDRIVE
\\NETWORKDRIVE
There are 3 servers in domain MODHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8537512C-5602-4191-B395-1C08523B7F2C}
There are 1 domains in domain MODHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8537512C-5602-4191-B395-1C08523B7F2C}


This is the same thing I get when I run browstat on the XP desktop.

 

[Chuck [MVP]]

Status for domain MODHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8537512C-5602-4191-B395-1C08523B7F2C}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: NETWORKDRIVE
Could not open key in registry, error = -1073741809 Unable to
determine build of browser master: -1073741809
\\\\NETWORKDRIVE . Version:04.09 Flags: 9a03 NT SERVER
1 backup servers retrieved from master NETWORKDRIVE
\\NETWORKDRIVE
There are 3 servers in domain MODHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8537512C-5602-4191-B395-1C08523B7F2C}
There are 1 domains in domain MODHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8537512C-5602-4191-B395-1C08523B7F2C}


This is the same thing I get when I run browstat on the XP desktop.

The browser requires anonymous access to each computer that it's going to list.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/restrictanonymous-and-your-server.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/restrictanonymous-and-your-server.html

Also, you may need to read about Vista, and authentication. This issue affects
access to NAS devices.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2007/05/microsoft-windows-and-authentication.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2007/05/microsoft-windows-and-authentication.html

Then, let's diagnose the problem, using logs from "browstat status", "ipconfig
/all", "net config server", and "net config workstation", from each computer.
Read this article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely
(download browstat!):
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

 

[Guest]

Thanks for all your help. I solved my problem the "easy" (but expensive)
way. I got rid of the Simpletech NAS drive and got an Iomega one. Problem
solved; unlike the Simpletech drive, the Iomega does not try to become the
master browser if the desktop is rebooted. My Vista laptop does become the
master browser if the destop is rebooted, and remains the master browser, but
it's not a problem because it "lists" all the computers on the network, both
Vista and XP (and the XP machines are able to browse the Vista computers in
"My Network Places)". It was only the Simpletech drive being master browser
that made the Vista computers not "browsable."

Status for domain MODHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8537512C-5602-4191-B395-1C08523B7F2C}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: NETWORKDRIVE
Could not open key in registry, error = -1073741809 Unable to
determine build of browser master: -1073741809
\\\\NETWORKDRIVE . Version:04.09 Flags: 9a03 NT SERVER
1 backup servers retrieved from master NETWORKDRIVE
\\NETWORKDRIVE
There are 3 servers in domain MODHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8537512C-5602-4191-B395-1C08523B7F2C}
There are 1 domains in domain MODHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{8537512C-5602-4191-B395-1C08523B7F2C}


This is the same thing I get when I run browstat on the XP desktop.

The browser requires anonymous access to each computer that it's going to list.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/restrictanonymous-and-your-server.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/restrictanonymous-and-your-server.html

Also, you may need to read about Vista, and authentication. This issue affects
access to NAS devices.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2007/05/microsoft-windows-and-authentication.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2007/05/microsoft-windows-and-authentication.html

Then, let's diagnose the problem, using logs from "browstat status", "ipconfig
/all", "net config server", and "net config workstation", from each computer.
Read this article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely
(download browstat!):
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.

 

[Chuck [MVP]]

Thanks for all your help. I solved my problem the "easy" (but expensive)
way. I got rid of the Simpletech NAS drive and got an Iomega one. Problem
solved; unlike the Simpletech drive, the Iomega does not try to become the
master browser if the desktop is rebooted. My Vista laptop does become the
master browser if the destop is rebooted, and remains the master browser, but
it's not a problem because it "lists" all the computers on the network, both
Vista and XP (and the XP machines are able to browse the Vista computers in
"My Network Places)". It was only the Simpletech drive being master browser
that made the Vista computers not "browsable."

That's the simplest solution, for sure. Thanks for letting us know. We now see
another criteria for choosing an NAS drive.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP 2005-2007 [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.