Vista as Main OS ??

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How many are able to make Vista work as their main Operating System?
I like using it but there's too much that just doesn't work, so I'm
continually going back to WinXP. (Dual boot)
With Vista I get the following:
No analog video capture (ATI card)
No TV tuner (ATI card)
Office 2000 won't install
Nero won't install
Scanner won't work
Minor problems with video editing (Ulead VS 10)
Adobe Premier Elements won't run
Several utilities related to disk maintenance won't work
PDA won't sync

Are there others who find that the app's that are important to them work and
right now they are merrily clicking along... Or is everyone making tradeoffs
to work with Vista?

Bill
 
I believe that many, and I am one of them, are just waiting for Vista to
RTM. At that point, the various manufacturers (both hardware and software)
will begin to issue the necessary updates to their products, if they have
any inclination to update them at all.

I am certain that many products will be abandoned, as the companies will
just issue newer software and hardware that is compatible. Newer version
equals new purchase equals more money in their coffers.

After all, they want to maximize this moment in time. How better to
accomplish this than to force the customer/end user to purchase newer
devices and programs.


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Bill,


I use Vista Ultimate RC2 as my primary OS.

ATI's drivers are still in pre-release form. I wouldn't expect to see
everything working 100% until Vista goes gold. Apparently RC2 version of the
ATI drivers will be released very shortly according to their website. The
ATI TV Tuner 650 is already Vista Ready. I think there have been drivers for
it since RC1. I know for a fact the ATI Theater 550 Pro works great under
Vista (including 64 bit).
Quite a few of the Hauppauge TV Tuners do have Vista support already via
drivers on their web site.


Office 2003 and Office 2007 work fine. Office 2000 is in Extended Support
mode, I wouldn't expect anything to be done about Vista incompatibilities
till after Vista is released. Mainstream support for Office 2000 ended in
2004.

The latest version of Nero (7.5.7.0) works with no issues that I have run
into under Vista.

What kind of scanner is it? Most scanners should work fine out of the box.
The ones I see have issues are Mustek scanners and the HP Photosmart 7350.
Most of the other scanners that have no support out of the box seem to work
OK if you use the XP drivers/install in XP compatibility mode.

I can't speak for your software, as I don't use that kind of software.
Suffice to say, I'm sure they will release updated versions that are Vista
compatible shortly after (or even before) Vista goes "gold".

Vista's interface to disks and how it looks at disks have been changed
considerably. I wouldn't bet on older disk utilities for XP running under
Vista. Again, check with the software manufacturer for updated versions.

PDA synching is still in pre-release (Beta3). You can try to use the Windows
Mobile Device Center Beta3 and see if that helps.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/devicecenter.mspx

Remember Vista is still not "gold" not everything is going to work,
especially if it's a third party software or hardware!

Bill F.
 
I am using Vista RC2 as my primary OS.

All my hardware works with no problems. I did have one application from
Fidelity Investments but I was able to get it to work.

I think it works great! Haven't had any real problems that would cause me to
go back to XP. I really like and I will be buying Vista Ultimate when it's
released.



Yosh.
 
Hi Bill,

We have access to Vista via MSDN.
Vista is installed on a dual boot R&D system, but, as of now, it is
extremely unlikely that it will be used on any of our production
computers until far in the future. (We do not buy computers with
pre-installed operating systems and thus have some choice over which OS
we purchase).
We will continue to use old faithful, Windows 2003 Server. We use it for
both workstations and servers.
There are fundamental problems with Vista that have been discussed
previously. Briefly, these are: it is a huge, unwieldy operating system;
many of the user interfaces are very poorly designed, the "security
features" are at best a bad joke on the user, the MPAA and RIAA
restrictions impair legitimate usage of the hardware and software, the
activation and licensing are real user headaches, and the OS contains a
considerable amount of Microsoft "call home" spyware.
In addition to these problems, there are no drivers for our professional
level sound cards, the higher level screen resolutions are not supported
by the video adapter driver and one of our essential application
programs, NaturallySpeaking Version 9 will not run on Vista.
In the case of some of the hardware drivers it may be a very long time
(if ever) before the vendors provide Vista compatible drivers. The
professional sound converters in particular are very expensive, low
volume devices and the vendors have little incentive to develop Vista
drivers.
 
Like many others, my problem with Vista is compatible drivers. The only
thing that is stopping from using Vista as my full time OS is the fact that
Vista will not support my 1 year old external fax machine which I need for
my business, and HP won't provide Vista drivers. Thus, until I need a new
fax machine I can't use Vista as my primary OS. However, I do dual boot as
I need to have Vista installed for my Vista training classes.

Jan :)
MS MVP - Windows IE/OE [DTS/AumHa]
Data/Comp Technology
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Robert,

I would really like to know what security features are a bad joke? I've not
seen any issues thus far with the pre-deployments of Vista in our corporate
environment even under the watchful eye of a dozen IDS and Security Scanning
software packages.

What "spyware" does Vista contain that phones home?

It seems a lot of the issues you are having are related to 3rd party
drivers. Why blame that on Microsoft?

You know when Windows 95, Windows 2000, Windows XP and Windows Server 2003
were released, a lot of people were talking about how little incentive
vendors had to develop drivers. It was all complete FUD.

Bill F.
 
Bill,

I am using Vista and XP (dual boot). The only time I return to XP is to
watch TV (ATI drivers). Once that gets fixed, I see no reason to return to
XP since I have had very few problems with RC2 or 5744. All of my hardware
(printers, scaner, external drives, digital camera) work perfectly although I
had to work a bit to get the card reader to work. The network runs perfectly
and Office and Sm Business 2007 are having no real problems. The biggest
issue I had was the anti-virus and Windows Live fixed that issue. Be
patient, XP was horrid when it first started!
 
Hi Bill,

There are innumerable posts that discuss the "security" and call home
issues in Vista.
Microsoft has repeatedly changed the device driver specifications in
various releases of the Windows OS. This is not all bad in the sense
that the purpose of the changes is, hopefully, to improve the usability,
flexibility and efficiency of the drivers. Unfortunately, the repeated
design changes place a considerable burden on the hardware
manufacturers. As mentioned, they have to make a decision as to when, if
ever, to write device drivers for support a specific operating system.
This certainly doesn't apply to everyone, but we are using some exotic,
very expensive devices for which Vista drivers are not available. The
choices are not to use Vista or to try to find suitable new hardware
that has driver support for Vista.

Robbie
 
I've been on these forums since they started and don't see these so called
lack of security posts...
Or the call home ones for that manner.


It's been five years since the release of XP, I think changing a driver
model (and the driver model hasn't really changed, it's simply been
improved) really isn't out of the ordinary. After all it was done from 95 to
2000, from 2000 to XP...

I'm willing to bet those exotic pieces of hardware didn't have XP support
when it was in RC2 form too right?

Have you tried installing the XP drivers in Vista?

Bill F.
 
Bill,
You ARE joking about SPP;I hope.
If not;SIR you are blinded by Vista; and not at not at all reading these
groups. It's in the Vista EULA; it's been blogged about all over the
web.It's been discussed ad-nauseum in here; it it it...(should I go
on?)and I've been on these forums;myself;for a long time; back before
CPP; I might add.

LOL STEP AWAY FROM THE PC. LOL
Take a break;go on vacation; get your nose out of ____ ____ !(fill in
the blanks)

Jeff :-)
 
I've not said anything about the EULA.

I've commented on drivers, security and "calling home".

At no time have I even mentioned the EULA in this thread.



Bill F.
 
Bill,
You obviously read what you care to see; not what is written. I AM
speaking about "phoning home"-SPP-that's EXACTLY what I was commenting
about. Not the EULA itself. SPP is in the EULA; and being talked about
EVERYWHERE on the net. SPP is FUNCTIONALLY phoning home!! LOL
Really, take a break-lol
SPP,"phoning home"; Bill, is what I'm commenting on.

Jeff :-)
 
So exactly what is the problem?

Keep in mind the one other major consumer OS (if you can call it major) also
"phones home".


Bill F.
 
Thanks for most of the replies. I imagine that I'll bounce back and forth
between XP and Vista for a while as I gradually boot more and more often to
Vista. I'll see what kind of vendor support is available when it comes time
to buy a copy.
Bill
 
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