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So what? VPC also lets you set up things like, oh, Linux, other versions of
Windows, beta versions, etc. without risking your data and the like with
*actual* partitions.

They bought out the company that orignially made it... Mac users loved it,
from what I read, for the times they "had" to run some Windows-only program.

It has nothing to do with XP's compatibility (which IMHO works fine, 98% of
the time. Even got XCOM, which I was having issues with, working.)
 
I disagree.. The fact that MS bought the technology speaks volumes
regarding XP's "compatibility mode"... As for your 98%, that is a
highly suspect figure, as I have a much higher percentage of programs
that will not run on XP, and I certainly do not have every program
written for Win 16 bit, Win9x, nor DOS, so I would not even hazard a
guess at what the actual percentage of "legacy" programs that will not
run (or will not run correctly) under Win XP.

JM
 
IMHO:In My Humble Opinion. Sheesh. In other words, I've had one, maybe two
games out of my collection cause problems. I have a good stable of programs,
as well - not just games - which run perfectly fine, thank you very much.

Are they including VPC in EVERY COPY OF XP? No? Hmmm. Must not be scrapping
compatibility mode for it, then.

Can you run Linux INSIDE of XP natively? No? Can you with this program? Yes.
Can you run multiple versions of Windows at once in XP - concurrently? No?
Do you think someone - say, an APPLICATION DEVELOPER - might want to,
without buying a bunch of machines, or having to reboot for each OS? Hmmm...
Possibly. Think Compatibility Mode would help there? No.

Can you set up a virtual machine on a virtual disk inside of XP (or 2k, or
98, or Linux, or MacOS) natively? No. Think there are people who might want
to? Yes. Hell, I do it with Basilisk (running an older, emulated Mac.)

Your jump of "logic" is like saying "Bill gates is a communist!" because he
bought a red car.
 
Lucky you.. Your programs (mainly) work.. That is certainly not an
experience shared by all....

Gates would hardly include something in with an OS when he could
provide it as an extra add on (with an additional expense attached to
fatten the MS coffers). That style of operation would more closely fit
the MS standard.

Gates is anything but a communist... My logic is not flawed, ty.

JM
 
"Snipped rant." Cute. Couldn't argue with valid,
non-compatibility-mode-bashing reasons to have VPC?
 
No, I simply did not feel like debating those issues when the opposing
side was typing in caps (shouting), and making personal slurs upon my
person. That does equate to ranting, IMHO.


I direct you to the FAQ's for the Virtual PC:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/virtualpc/evaluation/faq.asp

On the above page, you will clearly find the following:

"Q. What are the potential uses of this technology?

A. The Virtual PC technology serves a variety of purposes. Key
applications for Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 include legacy application
support, tech support, training, and consolidation of physical
computers, ....."

You will note the first key application noted by MS is " legacy
application support".. It is not that the VPC perform other functions
(ie. running linux), but MS itself is listing compatibility of legacy
applications as the first "Key Application" for VPC under WinXP.

JM
 
It also makes it easier to give specific applications a custom environment,
down to "best fit" .dlls or what have you. It does *not* (note the use of
asterisks instead of caps for emphasis) mean "Compatibility mode is broken."

I'll also have you re-read the same lines you quoted. "[It] serves a variety
of purposes." If a company has, for instance, a dBase app that runs best in
a very specific environment (to the detriment of other apps,) they'll want
to maintain that environment. Compatibility Mode does *not* know about that
app. Yes, you can set up some custom files for it - but do you know what
those customizations' effects will be on other apps? Compatibility Mode also
does not isolate that from the rest of the system, past the NT family's
built in abilities. VirtualPC does.

Now, if you said "Compatibility mode does have limitations as to what it can
do," there'd be no argument. If I were moving and had a choice between
using, say, a Ford Focus or renting a U-Haul, I'd use a U-haul. Why? For a
specific purpose, the U-haul is better suited. For everyday use, the Focus
works fine. Similarly, for everyday use, Compatibility mode works fine.
VirtualPC can be brought out for special needs or situations.

VirtualPC is, in fact, *worse* than Compatibility Mode in some instances -
Gaming, for example. Why? It takes *more* memory, *more* system resources,
and more time to go from the virtual machine to the *real* machine, if
needed, causing a performance hit. Not as bad as (say) Basilisk II, or VPC
on the Mac, since it doesn't have to emulate another processor type and
translate calls, but it's there nontheless. There can also be timing issues
that cause problems. That, on top of the cost of VPC + whatever OS you
choose to run in it.

As far as "Personal slurs?" Saying the 'logic' you used to connect this to a
broken compatibility mode is flawed is not a "personal slur" (nor does it,
as you state in redundant fashion, make any statement about your person. )

My statement:
"Your jump of "logic" is like saying "Bill gates is a communist!" because he
bought a red car."

A personal attack or slur, for comparison:
"You're a moron."

Note the difference. The second would, indeed, be an attack on your person.
The first is merely illustrating the flaw in the reasoning you used. Also,
so there's no misunderstanding, the second is purely for illustration and is
*not* being used as an attack. I'm making THAT statement because I've seen,
far too often, someone jump at something like that to say "See? He called me
a moron, because he can't debate!"

And my statement was *also* not saying BG is a communist, despite the way it
appears you took it in this quote:
Gates is anything but a communist... My logic is not flawed, ty.

It was, instead, an illustration of the leap you took in saying
"Compatibility mode is obviously broken because MS bought Connectix for
VPC." Similar, flawed leaps include things like "Wiccans/Buddhists/Hindus
worship Satan because they're not Christian," "That person's an Arab, he
must be a terrorist," "That person's unemployed, he must be lazy," or "That
person's got long hair, he must be on drugs." (Again, despite the quote
marks, they're not being attributed to you, nor are they personal attacks.)
 
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