Utility needed to Verify ISO image with burned disc

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Dear Gurus,

I understand that there are some CD-burning softwares which have built-
in verifying routines to verify the burned disc with the ISO image
file.

However, I am looking for a stand-alone utility that can do the same
thing.

Which is, taking an ISO-image file on the hard disk, and verify it
with a CD (or DVD) that is inside a CD/DVD drive.

Is there such a utility available?

All suggestions are most welcome !

Thank you for reading.
 
Dear Gurus,

I understand that there are some CD-burning softwares which have built-
in verifying routines to verify the burned disc with the ISO image
file.

However, I am looking for a stand-alone utility that can do the same
thing.

Which is, taking an ISO-image file on the hard disk, and verify it
with a CD (or DVD) that is inside a CD/DVD drive.

Is there such a utility available?

All suggestions are most welcome !

Thank you for reading.
I'm not into installing software that can be done with resident commands
within the OS. There's been a DOS command around for a very long time
called File Compare. If you want to learn about it, I'm sure there are
multitudes of web pages "out there", to visit. If you go to a DOS
prompt, you can type "FC /?", without the quotation marks, and it'll
give you a list of commands and switches, i.e..., /A
You can navigate to where the .iso image is and
type "fc /b ????.iso X:\????.iso" where X = disc drive with iso image on
it. I'm sure there are programs out there that will do it graphically,
but again, I don't like alot of superfluous software on my computer.
Perhaps a portable version might be available. Good luck.

Al
 
I'm not into installing software that can be done with resident commands
within the OS. There's been a DOS command around for a very long time
called File Compare. If you want to learn about it, I'm sure there are
multitudes of web pages "out there", to visit. If you go to a DOS
prompt, you can type "FC /?", without the quotation marks, and it'll
give you a list of commands and switches, i.e..., /A
You can navigate to where the .iso image is and
type "fc /b ????.iso X:\????.iso" where X = disc drive with iso image on
it. I'm sure there are programs out there that will do it graphically,
but again, I don't like alot of superfluous software on my computer.
Perhaps a portable version might be available. Good luck.

Al

I thank you for the reply.

I do know about the "FC" command and do use it frequently.

However, FC is only used for comparing FILE to FILE.

What I am looking for is a utility that can compare an ISO image file
(xyz.ISO) to a burned CD/DVD based on the same ISO image file.
 
Penang formulated on Thursday :
Dear Gurus,

I understand that there are some CD-burning softwares which have built-
in verifying routines to verify the burned disc with the ISO image
file.

However, I am looking for a stand-alone utility that can do the same
thing.

Which is, taking an ISO-image file on the hard disk, and verify it
with a CD (or DVD) that is inside a CD/DVD drive.

Is there such a utility available?

All suggestions are most welcome !

Thank you for reading.

Maybe one of these will do what you want.

CDCheck
http://www.softpedia.com/get/CD-DVD-Tools/CD-DVD-Rip-Other-Tools/CDCheck.shtml
http://www.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/CDCheck-Screenshot-5638.html
http://www.kvipu.com/CDCheck/
http://www.elpros.si/CDCheck/
http://www.kehuelga.org/video/dvd/app/CDCheck.zip
CDCheck ONLINE
http://www.elpros.si/CDCheck/
Limitations:
· 30 days trial
· Unregistered program continues to function after 30 days but a nag
screen is displayed at startup.

CDmage
http://www.softpedia.com/get/CD-DVD-Tools/CD-DVD-Images-Utils/CD-Mage.shtml
http://www.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/CD-Mage-Screenshot-1333.html
http://cdmage.orcon.net.nz/frames.html

ImgBurn
http://www.softpedia.com/get/CD-DVD-Tools/Data-CD-DVD-Burning/ImgBurn.shtml
http://www.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/ImgBurn-Screenshot-27810.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ImgBurn
http://www.imgburn.com/
Forum
http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?
Guides
http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?s=3fc61bdbd91b3eb07b21e560172f4a05&showforum=4
Adding files to an ISO
http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?s=f9bf65252d3d24f13010c332eb18abe9&showtopic=1779
How to burn an Audio CD from music files using ImgBurn, Supported files
include Ape, Flac, Ogg, MP3, Wav and Wma
http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=5555
FAQ
http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=59
* Verify - Check a disc is 100% readable. Optionally, you can also have
ImgBurn compare it against a given image file to ensure the actual data
is correct
 
However, I am looking for a stand-alone utility that can do the same
thing.
Which is, taking an ISO-image file on the hard disk, and verify it
with a CD (or DVD) that is inside a CD/DVD drive.

If the source is an ISO image (or other image formats), you could use
ImgBurn to burn+verify.

If the source is a set of folders+files, I am using TreeComp.

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Dear Gurus,

I understand that there are some CD-burning softwares which have built-
in verifying routines to verify the burned disc with the ISO image
file.

However, I am looking for a stand-alone utility that can do the same
thing.

Which is, taking an ISO-image file on the hard disk, and verify it
with a CD (or DVD) that is inside a CD/DVD drive.

Is there such a utility available?

All suggestions are most welcome !

Thank you for reading.

What does "verify" mean to you?

Do you think the ISO or the CD are somehow going to change over time
or do you want to just verify after burning the ISO to the CD that
they really are the same things?

What ISO burning software are you using now and have you no confidence
in it?

ImgBurn if free and easy:

http://www.imgburn.com/

It will burn your ISO, verify it when it is done and then you can use
it again minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, later just to verify the
ISO and CD still match using the built in Verify function.

If you suspect that and feel a need to verify some ISO and a burned
CD, you may have some other problem. You might want to look at some
other burning software that has all this stuff built in.
 
Penang said:
Dear Gurus,

I understand that there are some CD-burning softwares which have built-
in verifying routines to verify the burned disc with the ISO image
file.

However, I am looking for a stand-alone utility that can do the same
thing.

Which is, taking an ISO-image file on the hard disk, and verify it
with a CD (or DVD) that is inside a CD/DVD drive.

Is there such a utility available?

All suggestions are most welcome !

Thank you for reading.

It would seem if you did not verify as soon as you made the copy the
hard disk content would have changed - evn just a little.
I do not understand the purpose.
 
It would seem if you did not verify as soon as you made the copy the
hard disk content would have changed - evn just a little.
I do not understand the purpose.

Me either.

The question seemed to be how to verify an ISO with a burned image
(I'm guessing that means CD).

That question has been answered.

Perhaps a new question is needed.
 
LouB said:
It would seem if you did not verify as soon as you made the copy the
hard disk content would have changed - evn just a little.
I do not understand the purpose.

The content of the rest of he hard drive is irrelevant. What's important
here is two things: the unexpanded content of the ISO file and whether or
not the CDROM has physical error and/or damage to it's recording surface.
Nothing else other than the age of the plastic would change it otherwise.
 
I thank you for the reply.

I do know about the "FC" command and do use it frequently.

However, FC is only used for comparing FILE to FILE.

What I am looking for is a utility that can compare an ISO image file
(xyz.ISO) to a burned CD/DVD based on the same ISO image file.

I hate DOS!
 
I do know about the "FC" command and do use it frequently.

However, FC is only used for comparing FILE to FILE.
Irrelevant.

What I am looking for is a utility that can compare an ISO image file
(xyz.ISO) to a burned CD/DVD based on the same ISO image file.

"A burned CD/DVD" *is* a file. At least on reasonable OSes. E.g.,
did you try \\.\M: ? If Windows does not support this, one can just
make an ISO image from the disk, and use FC (or diff).

Hope this helps,
Ilya

P.S. In my experience, byte-per-byte comparison is not relevant. At
least, I never saw a disk which could be read byte-per-byte, but
the result would differ from what it is supposed to be. Disks
with some unreadable sectors - a plenty (a hundred?); but if
fully readable, then correct.
 
Me either.

The question seemed to be how to verify an ISO with a burned image
(I'm guessing that means CD).

That question has been answered.

Perhaps a new question is needed.

My apology to all since my original message is too vague.

Here is what happening.

My PC runs Windows XP, and I have ISO Recorder Power Toy installed
( from http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm )

It is a very nifty stuff. It uses XP's own utilities to burn ISO
images (ISO files) to CD/DVD.

All I need to do, if I ever want to burn a CD or DVD is to right click
on the ISO image file. The first item on the right-click menu is "Copy
Image to CD" and when I choose that, and choose the CD/DVD burner, the
utility will automatically burn the CD / DVD for me.

Which means, the is no "verify" (or file compare).

In NERO or ImgBurn and many other CD burning programs they have the
"verify" step to make sure that the CD/DVD burned is the same as the
ISO image.

And what I am looking for is a stand alone utility to do just that ---
Read in an ISO-Image file, and then compare it to the (CD/DVD) disc
that is on a CD/DVD drive, directory by directory, file by file, byte
by byte.

Again, please accept my sincerest apology for the vagueness of my
original message !
 
ups.com:

In NERO or ImgBurn and many other CD burning programs they
have the "verify" step to make sure that the CD/DVD burned
is the same as the ISO image.

And what I am looking for is a stand alone utility to do
just that --- Read in an ISO-Image file, and then compare
it to the (CD/DVD) disc that is on a CD/DVD drive,
directory by directory, file by file, byte by byte.

Again, please accept my sincerest apology for the vagueness
of my original message !

I basically understood what you want/ed to do and I do not know
of any such utility.

You were given /so many links/, especially by "johnw" and you
seem not to have bothered to check any of the links out. I wrote
you a post earlier today before this latest "clarification" but
did not bother posting it since all I said had already been
said.

While it is nice of you to "clarify" for the great unwashed, it
would have been nice of you to THANK all the people (not just
ONE) who gave you so much info. It doesn't happen with a snap of
the fingers, you know - YOU were too lazy to just Google for the
answer to begin with, weren't you? No one here is God, you know.
We can't tell you of something that does not exist, while Google
knows everything.

Still, if you get a utility like WinImage (there are several),
you can open any ISO file and write it to your HD and then
compare the contents with what went into the ISO file in the
FIRST place. I am not aware of ANY utility which can magically
overcome the fact that AFAIK every ISO file burned from the same
material by different programs will be slightly different, have
a completely different checksum, and can not be "compared" bit
by bit except to a copy of itself with a good file manager or a
file compare program.

Of course, the easiest, and free, solution would be to use
imgburn - or to plonk down 40 bucks and get CDRWin from
goldenhawk (which is what I have been using for years, started
before imgburn - which is /supposed/ to be even better - came
out) but if you don't want to do that and insist on using a
plug-in instead of a real program, that's your problem.

Just out of curiosity, does this miraculous plug-in allow you to
set the burning speed? Or do you just burn everything at MAX
like so many other modern "computer users"?

No offense, it's just a little tiresome to see SO many good
replies and then get a re-post which implies you haven't looked
at ANY of the links and appear to refuse to accept any of the
info given.

BTW, ANY program the author of which proudly says "It is
recommended by MSDN download site along with Easy CD and Nero
and is used by a number of companies around the world." is
(IMHO) to be avoided like the plague.

SOME recommendation... MS made BOB, WinME and Vista, remember?
But they STILL won't let you print the contents of a directory
in ANY version of Windows without using the command line or a
3rd party program... The ONLY thing they know how to do is spy
on their customers and make lots and lots of money...

AFA Roxio and Nero, they make incomprehensible illogical pig
bloat. Adaptec may have been the first - I remember burning a
Quantegy/Ampex CDR with Adaptec software at 1x on an external HP
burner which cost more than a good computer costs today, and
Roxio is "related" to it, but I know of *few* programs that did
not change for the worse (if not simply became complete trash)
when the kinds of changes that Adaptec made in its company
structure were made. (Let alone when someone just buys someone
else out, a favorite MS/Adobe tactic of destroying quality
competition.)

AFA Nero, I find it simply insane. Anyone who uses either it or
Roxio is not anyone I would trust to recommend a ball-point pen,
let alone ANY software.



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ups.com:





I basically understood what you want/ed to do and I do not know
of any such utility.

You were given /so many links/, especially by "johnw" and you
seem not to have bothered to check any of the links out. I wrote
you a post earlier today before this latest "clarification" but
did not bother posting it since all I said had already been
said.

While it is nice of you to "clarify" for the great unwashed, it
would have been nice of you to THANK all the people (not just
ONE) who gave you so much info. It doesn't happen with a snap of
the fingers, you know - YOU were too lazy to just Google for the
answer to begin with, weren't you? No one here is God, you know.
We can't tell you of something that does not exist, while Google
knows everything.

Still, if you get a utility like WinImage (there are several),
you can open any ISO file and write it to your HD and then
compare the contents with what went into the ISO file in the
FIRST place. I am not aware of ANY utility which can magically
overcome the fact that AFAIK every ISO file burned from the same
material by different programs will be slightly different, have
a completely different checksum, and can not be "compared" bit
by bit except to a copy of itself with a good file manager or a
file compare program.

Of course, the easiest, and free, solution would be to use
imgburn - or to plonk down 40 bucks and get CDRWin from
goldenhawk (which is what I have been using for years, started
before imgburn - which is /supposed/ to be even better - came
out) but if you don't want to do that and insist on using a
plug-in instead of a real program, that's your problem.

Just out of curiosity, does this miraculous plug-in allow you to
set the burning speed? Or do you just burn everything at MAX
like so many other modern "computer users"?

No offense, it's just a little tiresome to see SO many good
replies and then get a re-post which implies you haven't looked
at ANY of the links and appear to refuse to accept any of the
info given.

BTW, ANY program the author of which proudly says "It is
recommended by MSDN download site along with Easy CD and Nero
and is used by a number of companies around the world." is
(IMHO) to be avoided like the plague.

SOME recommendation... MS made BOB, WinME and Vista, remember?
But they STILL won't let you print the contents of a directory
in ANY version of Windows without using the command line or a
3rd party program... The ONLY thing they know how to do is spy
on their customers and make lots and lots of money...

AFA Roxio and Nero, they make incomprehensible illogical pig
bloat. Adaptec may have been the first - I remember burning a
Quantegy/Ampex CDR with Adaptec software at 1x on an external HP
burner which cost more than a good computer costs today, and
Roxio is "related" to it, but I know of *few* programs that did
not change for the worse (if not simply became complete trash)
when the kinds of changes that Adaptec made in its company
structure were made. (Let alone when someone just buys someone
else out, a favorite MS/Adobe tactic of destroying quality
competition.)

AFA Nero, I find it simply insane. Anyone who uses either it or
Roxio is not anyone I would trust to recommend a ball-point pen,
let alone ANY software.

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be so boring, but I don't know.

What's your favorite CD burner software?
After griping about various others, shouldn't you say?
 
Sonic Record Now and some other programs that I have used include some
identifying information in the .ISO file. Perhaps another format
would give the same result every time I made an image, but can't
switch from .ISO.

I have no clue what you are talking about.
In particular, making an ISO file from the same
real or virtual CD gives different results each time

Then the probrams you use are broken. ISO image is just a copy of the
DVD (or of "the 2048-sectors" of CD). All copies should be the same.
(And I expect that \\.M: would be always the same as well...)

Hope this helps,
Ilya
 
oups.com:

What's your favorite CD burner software?
After griping about various others, shouldn't you say?

Sorry, but I rarely get to say BOTH in one reply:

Learn to <SNIP> and learn to read. I state clearly what I use in
what you did not bother snipping - but /presumably/ did "sort
of" read.


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Here is what happening.

My PC runs Windows XP, and I have ISO Recorder Power Toy installed
( from http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm )

It is a very nifty stuff. It uses XP's own utilities to burn ISO
images (ISO files) to CD/DVD.

All I need to do, if I ever want to burn a CD or DVD is to right click
on the ISO image file. The first item on the right-click menu is "Copy
Image to CD" and when I choose that, and choose the CD/DVD burner, the
utility will automatically burn the CD / DVD for me.

Which means, the is no "verify" (or file compare).

In NERO or ImgBurn and many other CD burning programs they have the
"verify" step to make sure that the CD/DVD burned is the same as the
ISO image.

And what I am looking for is a stand alone utility to do just that ---
Read in an ISO-Image file, and then compare it to the (CD/DVD) disc
that is on a CD/DVD drive, directory by directory, file by file, byte
by byte.

Seems you like ISO Recorder Power Toy because .iso is associated with
it. You get the same context menu or just double-click .iso file if you
install ImgBurn.

My suggestion is uninstall ISO Recorder, and install ImgBurn. In the
install process ImgBurn prompts you to associate it with .iso. If
install does not prompt, go into [Tools, Settings, Registry]. In File
Associations tab, check the .iso box. In any event, right-click context
menu will have "Burn using ImgBurn".
 
Can you point me at a definition of CDROM .ISO files?

Easy: the definition follows from the intended usage:

ISO file when copied to the media sector-by-2048b-sector should
produce the identical disk. (Which implies that some disks cannot be
mapped to ISO files - they may contain errors in 2376-byte (sp?)
sectors correctable during translation to 2048b-sectors, etc.)

All bytes matter during copying. So ISO files produced by reading a
disk must be identical.

Hope this helps,
Ilya

P.S. I use readcd to produce ISO files, cdrecord (or "flavors", like
dvddao) to burn them.
 
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