using someones wifi without permission

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Some told me that they had just set up wireless-they did not subscribed to
any internet service yet, but that they were able to connect to someone elses
wireless internet service. The person asked me if they could use someone
elses wireless internet service was it also possible for that person to go
into his computer and read all his files whether
personal/private/passwords/etc.,or put virus, or even be able to get in and
change file, or do other malicious things, and also are there any laws/rules
pertaining to this issue. I was unable to answer his question so I am asking
for your help/assistance in this matter. Please help me to understand so I
can help others in the future. Thank you so much. Thank you.
 
You are very likely going to degrade the service of the person you are
"ILLEGALLY" connected to.

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Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
Yes, depending on network settings, it is possible.

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Dave Patrick ....Please no email replies - reply in newsgroup.
Microsoft Certified Professional
Microsoft MVP [Windows]
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

:
| Some told me that they had just set up wireless-they did not subscribed to
| any internet service yet, but that they were able to connect to someone
elses
| wireless internet service. The person asked me if they could use someone
| elses wireless internet service was it also possible for that person to go
| into his computer and read all his files whether
| personal/private/passwords/etc.,or put virus, or even be able to get in
and
| change file, or do other malicious things, and also are there any
laws/rules
| pertaining to this issue. I was unable to answer his question so I am
asking
| for your help/assistance in this matter. Please help me to understand so I
| can help others in the future. Thank you so much. Thank you.
 
new office 2003 user said:
Some told me that they had just set up wireless-they did not subscribed to
any internet service yet, but that they were able to connect to someone
elses
wireless internet service. The person asked me if they could use someone
elses wireless internet service ...
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<snip - bunch of "I wanna steal" crap>

Yeah, right, YOU are here trying to figure out how to help your, ahem,
"friend" steal someone else's property or resources.
 
hello, don't assume if you don't know. if a wireless internet is not
protected then it is easy to acess. that is not my question If you read the
notice it ask for info on rules/ethic/laws/etc (where I can find a good
website) pertaining to this matter. Please do not assume that everyone is
crooked that is rude. Thank you for replying .
 
First: for legal advice upon which you intend to rely, consult a lawyer.

My thoughts:
It is theft of service. You could argue that the failure to take security
measures implies permission to connect. However, a court of competent
jurisdiction would weigh the liklihood of a stranger extending that
facility to you with no prior knowledge or request/concent. Also, most
jurisdictions have laws governing wireless communication so consideration
of the law goes beyond The Common Law and the Criminal Code.

It might also be possible to access files, add files, &c. Note that this
activity adsumes great seriousness if any use is made of the file content
whether data or programme. There are copyright issues with both and
possible implications under tort law.

In short, do not do it.

To paraphrase Sir. Thomas Moore, a wise advisor tells the king what he
should do not what he can do.

Tom
MSMVP
Windows Shell/User


in message : Some told me that they had just set up wireless-they did not subscribed
to
: any internet service yet, but that they were able to connect to someone
elses
: wireless internet service. The person asked me if they could use someone
: elses wireless internet service was it also possible for that person to
go
: into his computer and read all his files whether
: personal/private/passwords/etc.,or put virus, or even be able to get in
and
: change file, or do other malicious things, and also are there any
laws/rules
: pertaining to this issue. I was unable to answer his question so I am
asking
: for your help/assistance in this matter. Please help me to understand so
I
: can help others in the future. Thank you so much. Thank you.
 
new said:
hello, don't assume if you don't know. if a wireless internet is not
protected then it is easy to acess. that is not my question If you
read the notice it ask for info on rules/ethic/laws/etc (where I can
find a good website) pertaining to this matter. Please do not assume
that everyone is crooked that is rude. Thank you for replying .
Click to expand...

The ethics question is easy: don't take what isn't yours. It doesn't
matter if whatever it is is available; if you didn't pay for it, it
isn't yours. That is stealing. For laws - consult a lawyer. Seriously,
laws vary from country-to-country and where applicable (like the US)
from state-to-state.

Malke
 
new office 2003 user said:
hello, don't assume if you don't know. if a wireless internet is not
protected then it is easy to acess.
Click to expand...

Legality has never to with accessibility. I can very easily smash in the
glass windows of your car and house. I can also go peering into your
windows at night. Burglary and peeping tom are still illegal despite ease
of access. I can very easy shove a knife past your ribs and into your
heart, too.
 
If you can't figure out the answer to that question yourself then you are
just plain ignorant.

Foxhole
 
new said:
Some told me that they had just set up wireless-they did not subscribed to
any internet service yet, but that they were able to connect to someone elses
wireless internet service. The person asked me if they could use someone
elses wireless internet service was it also possible for that person to go
into his computer and read all his files whether
personal/private/passwords/etc.,or put virus, or even be able to get in and
change file, or do other malicious things, and also are there any laws/rules
pertaining to this issue. I was unable to answer his question so I am asking
for your help/assistance in this matter. Please help me to understand so I
can help others in the future. Thank you so much. Thank you.
Click to expand...

If someone leaves their front door unlocked, is it OK to go in and take
his TV? If you can say yes to that, then you can go ahead and use his
wireless Internet service too - the principle is the same.

Just don't get caught doing it - in many places, it is illegal and you
can be fined if not jailed.

And if the owner has any expertise, he can read your traffic and find
out who you are. I would not call that "malicious", not even if he did
infect you with a virus, when you were stealing his bandwidth.

That said, you can get around it legally. Find out who the owner of the
service is and where he lives, and go ask him if it is OK to use it
occasionally. You may be pleasantly surprised.

That's what I did when I was visiting my daughters house, turned on my
laptop and was automatically connected to an unknown unsecured service.
Took a while to find the owner, (I used "Network Stumbler" as a rough
and ready locator and knocked on a few doors) but when we found him and
asked, he gave permission, as he had an unlimited download service and
said it was no skin off his nose. When I suggested he should really
encrypt, he said he couldn't be bothered.

There are also some free services or "hot spots" available that you can
use legally - I even found one once at an airport, where you normally
expect to have to pay!

That said, if you are travelling through an area, unlikely to return,
and do a one-time connection to download your emails and perhaps send
one or two, then you are unlikely to be caught or do any real harm, but
it's still illegal.
 
What are the general rules pertaining to stealing or if you prefer,
appropriation of goods and services belonging to somebody else and to which
you have no legal entitlement?..

I can't believe that you have to come here to clarify whether stealing a
service for which somebody else is having to pay is ok on he basis that it
is not protected?.. an unlocked car is easy to access, but does that make it
ok to remove it and use it without the owner's consent?.. why should the
rules be any different for an unprotected internet service?..

RIGHT is what you would like being done or said to you and yours.. WRONG is
what you wouldn't like being done or said to you and yours..
 
He already said he's ignorant - he's apparently trying to find out what the
Real World does/thinks about it. Ethics are only useful to those who don't
get caught. Ask OJ about that or Bill Clinton.
Toyman


: If you can't figure out the answer to that question yourself then you are
: just plain ignorant.
:
: Foxhole
:
: "new office 2003 user" wrote:
:
: > Some told me that they had just set up wireless-they did not subscribed
to
: > any internet service yet, but that they were able to connect to someone
elses
: > wireless internet service. The person asked me if they could use someone
: > elses wireless internet service was it also possible for that person to
go
: > into his computer and read all his files whether
: > personal/private/passwords/etc.,or put virus, or even be able to get in
and
: > change file, or do other malicious things, and also are there any
laws/rules
: > pertaining to this issue. I was unable to answer his question so I am
asking
: > for your help/assistance in this matter. Please help me to understand so
I
: > can help others in the future. Thank you so much. Thank you.
 
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