Using older OS's

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Dariusz

Hope this question hasn't been asked before, I am considering building a
new pc.

I still need to have Win98SE on a system (dual boot with latest Linux).
Without getting into arguments on what's the point, would Win98SE install
on a system with the AMD64 or 64x2 processor. Also, some apps are supposed
to be multi-threaded in Win98SE, would they use the second "processor" in
the x2 version?

Thanks

Dariusz
 
Hope this question hasn't been asked before, I am considering building a
new pc.

I still need to have Win98SE on a system (dual boot with latest Linux).
Without getting into arguments on what's the point, would Win98SE install
on a system with the AMD64 or 64x2 processor. Also, some apps are supposed
to be multi-threaded in Win98SE, would they use the second "processor" in
the x2 version?

Thanks

Dariusz
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I don't believe Win98SE support SMP in any fashion.

It should still install fine, but you may not be able to find drivers for
your various motherboard devices, so double-check whether the board you're
interested in has Win9X drivers available.

Brian K
 
Hope this question hasn't been asked before, I am considering building a
new pc.

I still need to have Win98SE on a system (dual boot with latest Linux).
Without getting into arguments on what's the point, would Win98SE install
on a system with the AMD64 or 64x2 processor. Also, some apps are supposed
to be multi-threaded in Win98SE, would they use the second "processor" in
the x2 version?

Thanks

Dariusz
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Get VMWare or Microsoft Virtual PC and run Linux and 98SE in windows
under XP, all at the same time. booting multiple systems is a PITA.

About $100.

Running under a VM will protect your 98SE system from all the
bugs that MS is no longer patching.
 
Get VMWare or Microsoft Virtual PC and run Linux and 98SE in windows
under XP, all at the same time. booting multiple systems is a PITA.

About $100.

Running under a VM will protect your 98SE system from all the
bugs that MS is no longer patching.
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Thanks for the information, I will check that out.

Dariusz
 
I don't believe Win98SE support SMP in any fashion.

It should still install fine, but you may not be able to find drivers for
your various motherboard devices, so double-check whether the board you're
interested in has Win9X drivers available.
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I will have a look into your advice, thanks alot (hadn't considered
motherboard support)!

Dariusz
 
Get VMWare or Microsoft Virtual PC and run Linux and 98SE in windows
under XP, all at the same time. booting multiple systems is a PITA.

About $100.

Running under a VM will protect your 98SE system from all the
bugs that MS is no longer patching.
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You can run Win98 on Linux using Win4Lin9x or Parallels Workstation. Win98
won't have any drivers for a modern system and it certainly can't handle
multiple processors so running it in a VM is your best solution. Win4Lin9x
has the best performance of any VM but unfortunately the most recent
kernel that they support is 2.6.13. Parallels Workstation works fairly
well but it uses SAMBA to access your Linux drives which hurts it's
performance, Win4Lin9x mounts them as if they were Windows drives. I
haven't tried VMware so I don't know how well that performs. Parallels
Workstation is cheap, $50. The have a free two week trial if you want to
check it out.
 
I will have a look into your advice, thanks alot (hadn't considered
motherboard support)!
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win98 seems not to work with nforce4 motherboards, which are the majority
for amd64. Check out mb's sites.
 
Parallels Workstation works fairly
well but it uses SAMBA to access your Linux drives which hurts it's
performance, Win4Lin9x mounts them as if they were Windows drives.
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I have heard but not investigated in great detail, applications like WINE
etc.

I don't know if it's an issue with what you describe, but I have all my
data files on FAT32 partitions (Linux obviously on Linux partitions of
different FS-types), except the recent files I've created in Linux which
don't need to be accessed by Win.

The reason being, that apart from the older OS still being able to access
the files, it's also very easy for me to format and do a copy of a drive
(should it start to fail or a simple backup) with a drive manufacturers DOS
copy utilities (which don't seem to know what to do with Linux partitions).

I have not found a simple way to copy an entire drive, and have no idea how
under Linux a new drive would be mounted to perform a copy or if it'd even
impact on drive assignments (like M$ Win seems to suffer from if you add a
new drive, all drive letters remap and could stop applications from
working).

Dariusz
 
Thanks for the information, I will check that out.

Dariusz
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VMWare's VMServer and VMPlayer applications are free now. MVWare Server
is what I use at home for my various Windows needs.

Brian K
 
Al Dykes said:
Get VMWare or Microsoft Virtual PC and run Linux and 98SE in windows
under XP, all at the same time. booting multiple systems is a PITA.
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VMware is also available for GNU/Linux, which is his main operating
system. They also offer a free version (VMware Player) for running virtual
machines. One only needs to create the virtual machine with other tools.
 
win98 seems not to work with nforce4 motherboards, which are the majority
for amd64. Check out mb's sites.
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VMware or Micrisift Virtual PC will fix that, and more.
 
Dariusz said:
I have not found a simple way to copy an entire drive, and have no idea how
under Linux a new drive would be mounted to perform a copy or if it'd even
impact on drive assignments.
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For Windows systems Norton Ghost (Symantec) works well.
XXCOPY ( http://www.xxcopy.com/ ) claims it will successfully copy a
bootable Windows 98 system.
If you do not care about booting, mounting a FAT file system under
Linux will allow you to copy and/or move the files any way you want.
Try a bootable Linux CD to experiment first. (Knoppix, Ubuntu)
(like M$ Win seems to suffer from if you add a
new drive, all drive letters remap and could stop applications from
working).
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The drive letter assignments will not change if you create more
partitions for Linux, but do not format them as FAT file systems.
If you have only one primary partition FAT formatted, that will be
your C drive.
 
Hope this question hasn't been asked before, I am considering
building a new pc.

I still need to have Win98SE on a system (dual boot with latest
Linux). Without getting into arguments on what's the point, would
Win98SE install on a system with the AMD64 or 64x2 processor. Also,
some apps are supposed to be multi-threaded in Win98SE, would they
use the second "processor" in the x2 version?
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Shouldn't be a problem, as long as you can get drivers for your
hardware. You won't be able to use the second core, as Win9x isn't
MP-aware.

Marc
 
Dariusz said:
Hope this question hasn't been asked before, I am considering building a
new pc.

I still need to have Win98SE on a system (dual boot with latest Linux).
Without getting into arguments on what's the point, would Win98SE install
on a system with the AMD64 or 64x2 processor. Also, some apps are supposed
to be multi-threaded in Win98SE, would they use the second "processor" in
the x2 version?

Thanks

Dariusz
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Makes me wonder how fast Windows 3.1 would run on a modern machine,
compared
to the multi-gig slug programs now out.
 
Dariusz said:
Hope this question hasn't been asked before, I am considering building a
new pc.

I still need to have Win98SE on a system (dual boot with latest Linux).
Without getting into arguments on what's the point, would Win98SE install
on a system with the AMD64 or 64x2 processor. Also, some apps are supposed
to be multi-threaded in Win98SE, would they use the second "processor" in
the x2 version?

Thanks

Dariusz
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Hardware is cheap, get two computers with hardware that supports
what you want. A LOT less hassles.

later.....
 
Hardware is cheap, get two computers with hardware that supports
what you want. A LOT less hassles.

later.....
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Buy one computer, somewhat faster and run VMware or Microsoft Virtual
PC on it. Your electric bill savings will more than pay for it if you
use all the machines on a regular basis.
 
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