User Report - Canon PIXMA iP5200 - LONG

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Having gotten fed up with HP for various reasons, and after checking the
various forums and reviews, with some reservations regarding plugged
nozzles, ink/paper compatibillity, ink usage, etc., I bought a Canon PIXMA
iP5200. My needs are for a general use color printer for all purposes, plus
photo-quality printing at up to letter-size from tiem to time. It was
delievered a week or so before Christmas - CompUSA, $130 after rebates,
free shipping.

My first project was printing Christmas newsletters, Christmas cards, and
envelopes, printed at normal quality..

Cards were two per page, so about half of one side a color photo, and one
half of the other side text that was perhaps half as dense as a typical
text document. I printed 50 of these duplexed on 65 lb. parchment paper fed
from the upper feed with mostly normal settings, but some color adjustment
for the color which to my eye, was too bright and to warm.

Letters were two-sided duplex printed on plain paper from the casette.
These were typica text density, but with approximately 25% on each side in
color photos or graphics. There wer about 100 of these.

Envelopes were quarter-sheet size to fit the quarter folded letters and
folded half-sheet cards. They had a typical address in a heavy, bold, 16-pt
font, return address in 10-pt font, and a small (1 cm square) graphic next
to the return address, and a full-width, 2/3 height photo, fading from full
color at the lower-left corner to white at the uper-right corner. There
were about 100 of these.

IUn addition, there had been a few test prints.

By the time this project was 75% printed (about 75 of each), I got a
low-ink indication on cyan and magenta. Yellow and black pigment were down,
and black dye was still nearly full. I was able to finish printing the
remaining 25% of the project before the magenta ran out and I had to
replace it.

On the following project, cyan quickly ran out, and I am still working on
that project, with yellow now nearly out. The second project is a calendar.
So far, I've only printed some test prints - a couple of full pages of
thumbnails at normal quality, two or three full page (letter-size) photos,
and a full page borderless photo, all at normal quality.

This is my first photo inkjet printer, and after reading posts on this and
other forums on ink/paper incompatibility problems, banding under various
conditions, bronzing, etc., I was wondering if I'd bought the wrong printer
since I tend to stay with OEM ink, but a wide variety of papers.

The calendar pages are printed on two sides, and the paper I happened to
have on hand that I wanted to use is Staples "professional" double-sided,
heavy matte finish photo paper that I bought fairly inexpensively last
year.

Last night I tried my first test print on the paper - the cover photo - but
at only about 20% size on a small waste piece of the paper. It looked
really good, so I tried the full size (letter size) borderless print - all
still on normal quality. I printed from IrfanView after having worked the
image in The Gimp and exporting to a several MP high quality JPEG. Just as
I finished, the low ink warning popped up for the yellow cartridge.

I was delighted! The print looked every bit as good as a traditionally
processed photo of comparable size.

CONCLUSIONS - first, at least for plain paper (standard copier paper,
"parchment", and envelopes) and the Staples photopaper I tried, I could
hardly ask for more. Speed is great - but keeping in mind that my previous
printer at home was an HP 720 - pretty old and prety slow to be comparing
against. My work printer is an HP 6122 (not a photo printer), but the Canon
is still impresive compared to that. I haven't had the printer long enough
to expect any clogging problems, so can't comment on that. I don't use it
every day, but it probably is used a minimum of once or twice a week -
usually more. It rarely is idle more than a week or two.

My ony reservations at this point is the ink usage. It's hard to make
comparisons. I did essentially the same (different photos and letter
content) Christmas projects last year but don't really recall what the ink
cost was. My gut feel is that while this printer may have taken more or
less ink for the project, at the cost of the cartridges, I think the Canon
may have been more expensive. Tiem will tell. I have, in the past, stayed
with OEM cartridges since I choose to have the assurance of quality and
predictable colors, but if they don't come down in time, third party ink
may be very tempting. I am not into refilling - tried it years ago with my
previous HP and was never satisfied with the result.

Interestingly, I saw essentially no variation between online and local
store prices of the cartridges. Online would even add shipping, so had no
advantage. I bought at Staples (dye-based cartridges, didn't have the
pigment cartridge) and OfficeMax (pigment black) for the same price as they
were at a variety of places online, where I could find them. The exception
was Office Depot, who only showed one of the dye-based cartridges (forget
which one) and it was priced roughly twice the cost of the same at other
places - wierd!

Anyhow, thanks if you stayed with this. As a new photo inkjet printer
users, new Canon convert, and with a just out printer (5200), I htought
first-hand experience might be of interest.

Optiker
 
CR said:
Having gotten fed up with HP for various reasons, and after checking the
various forums and reviews, with some reservations regarding plugged
nozzles, ink/paper compatibillity, ink usage, etc., I bought a Canon PIXMA
iP5200. My needs are for a general use color printer for all purposes, plus
photo-quality printing at up to letter-size from tiem to time. It was
delievered a week or so before Christmas - CompUSA, $130 after rebates,
free shipping.

My first project was printing Christmas newsletters, Christmas cards, and
envelopes, printed at normal quality..

Cards were two per page, so about half of one side a color photo, and one
half of the other side text that was perhaps half as dense as a typical
text document. I printed 50 of these duplexed on 65 lb. parchment paper fed
from the upper feed with mostly normal settings, but some color adjustment
for the color which to my eye, was too bright and to warm.

Letters were two-sided duplex printed on plain paper from the casette.
These were typica text density, but with approximately 25% on each side in
color photos or graphics. There wer about 100 of these.

Envelopes were quarter-sheet size to fit the quarter folded letters and
folded half-sheet cards. They had a typical address in a heavy, bold, 16-pt
font, return address in 10-pt font, and a small (1 cm square) graphic next
to the return address, and a full-width, 2/3 height photo, fading from full
color at the lower-left corner to white at the uper-right corner. There
were about 100 of these.

IUn addition, there had been a few test prints.

By the time this project was 75% printed (about 75 of each), I got a
low-ink indication on cyan and magenta. Yellow and black pigment were down,
and black dye was still nearly full. I was able to finish printing the
remaining 25% of the project before the magenta ran out and I had to
replace it.

On the following project, cyan quickly ran out, and I am still working on
that project, with yellow now nearly out. The second project is a calendar.
So far, I've only printed some test prints - a couple of full pages of
thumbnails at normal quality, two or three full page (letter-size) photos,
and a full page borderless photo, all at normal quality.

This is my first photo inkjet printer, and after reading posts on this and
other forums on ink/paper incompatibility problems, banding under various
conditions, bronzing, etc., I was wondering if I'd bought the wrong printer
since I tend to stay with OEM ink, but a wide variety of papers.
Staying with OEM ink is a good choice since you want to protect against
a clogged printhead and have the best quality results. In addition, the
aftermarket vendors are nothing more than relabelers and repackagers and
they will not tell you want they are selling you and will not disclose
the mfg/formulator of the ink. It is likely you will get the same crap
from a multitude of vendors under different labels and packaging. That
said if you are going to be that high a volume of print load you may
want to consider afgtermarket prefilled carts (refilling is a mess and a
pain in the ass) but to date there are no carts that meet all of Canon's
requirements that will work properly and have a close ink formulation as
their new ink for your printer.

As for paper, Costco sells their kirkland paper in two different sizes.
The letter size is about $19.00 and may be made by illford. I also
bought a Fiskars rotary paper cutter there for around $30.00 and cut to
size. The prrecut (4x6) is not made by the same company (probably not
illford) is not as white and is thinner. I would go with the full sheet
and make by own sizes.

I tested the Costrco/Kirkland against Canon Photo Paper Pro and found
the quality to be just a hair less if you actually examine it up real
close. Basically it is a very very slight texture difference for a 1/7
of the price.

For standard printing I like the Hammermill InkJet Premium bright
white. For matte photo paper I would try Epson double weighted double
sided matte. Canon's take on paper is that Epson papers work just find
in Canon printers.
The calendar pages are printed on two sides, and the paper I happened to
have on hand that I wanted to use is Staples "professional" double-sided,
heavy matte finish photo paper that I bought fairly inexpensively last
year.

Last night I tried my first test print on the paper - the cover photo - but
at only about 20% size on a small waste piece of the paper. It looked
really good, so I tried the full size (letter size) borderless print - all
still on normal quality. I printed from IrfanView after having worked the
image in The Gimp and exporting to a several MP high quality JPEG. Just as
I finished, the low ink warning popped up for the yellow cartridge.

I was delighted! The print looked every bit as good as a traditionally
processed photo of comparable size.

CONCLUSIONS - first, at least for plain paper (standard copier paper,
"parchment", and envelopes) and the Staples photopaper I tried, I could
hardly ask for more. Speed is great - but keeping in mind that my previous
printer at home was an HP 720 - pretty old and prety slow to be comparing
against. My work printer is an HP 6122 (not a photo printer), but the Canon
is still impresive compared to that. I haven't had the printer long enough
to expect any clogging problems, so can't comment on that. I don't use it
every day, but it probably is used a minimum of once or twice a week -
usually more. It rarely is idle more than a week or two.
The big advantage that HP has over Canon is the HP draft is so good that
you can use it all over. While the IP5200 draft is better than the
IP4000 it still lags behind HP. I have both printers.
My ony reservations at this point is the ink usage. It's hard to make
comparisons. I did essentially the same (different photos and letter
content) Christmas projects last year but don't really recall what the ink
cost was. My gut feel is that while this printer may have taken more or
less ink for the project, at the cost of the cartridges, I think the Canon
may have been more expensive. Tiem will tell.
You will find over time that Canon ink goes further and costs less money.
I have, in the past, stayed
with OEM cartridges since I choose to have the assurance of quality and
predictable colors, but if they don't come down in time, third party ink
may be very tempting.
I know but I would not do it. It would be nice to have a real ink
mfg?formulator make and package prefilled BRANDED carts and sell them
through all venues under their name so one can track the performance.
Currently that is not the case.
I am not into refilling - tried it years ago with my
previous HP and was never satisfied with the result.
And it is a messy pain in the ass and all that work when you do not even
know what you are getting.
Interestingly, I saw essentially no variation between online and local
store prices of the cartridges. Online would even add shipping, so had no
advantage.
That is what I am trying to say but you will find that the religious
fanatics posting here and in another forum (that they dominate) will
argue with you. Not only are the prices not that great (after shipping)
but the vendors will not tell you what they are selling you and if you
look at the websites you will find they disclose very little information.

Many of the CRANKIE Balls on this NG will extoll (lie) the virtues of
refilling. I have found many of them connected in some way with the
printing business so it seems that this is a planned snowjob.
 
CR said:
Having gotten fed up with HP for various reasons, and after checking the
various forums and reviews, with some reservations regarding plugged
nozzles, ink/paper compatibillity, ink usage, etc., I bought a Canon PIXMA
iP5200. My needs are for a general use color printer for all purposes, plus
photo-quality printing at up to letter-size from tiem to time. It was
delievered a week or so before Christmas - CompUSA, $130 after rebates,
free shipping.

My first project was printing Christmas newsletters, Christmas cards, and
envelopes, printed at normal quality..

Cards were two per page, so about half of one side a color photo, and one
half of the other side text that was perhaps half as dense as a typical
text document. I printed 50 of these duplexed on 65 lb. parchment paper fed
from the upper feed with mostly normal settings, but some color adjustment
for the color which to my eye, was too bright and to warm.

Letters were two-sided duplex printed on plain paper from the casette.
These were typica text density, but with approximately 25% on each side in
color photos or graphics. There wer about 100 of these.

Envelopes were quarter-sheet size to fit the quarter folded letters and
folded half-sheet cards. They had a typical address in a heavy, bold, 16-pt
font, return address in 10-pt font, and a small (1 cm square) graphic next
to the return address, and a full-width, 2/3 height photo, fading from full
color at the lower-left corner to white at the uper-right corner. There
were about 100 of these.

IUn addition, there had been a few test prints.

By the time this project was 75% printed (about 75 of each), I got a
low-ink indication on cyan and magenta. Yellow and black pigment were down,
and black dye was still nearly full. I was able to finish printing the
remaining 25% of the project before the magenta ran out and I had to
replace it.

On the following project, cyan quickly ran out, and I am still working on
that project, with yellow now nearly out. The second project is a calendar.
So far, I've only printed some test prints - a couple of full pages of
thumbnails at normal quality, two or three full page (letter-size) photos,
and a full page borderless photo, all at normal quality.

This is my first photo inkjet printer, and after reading posts on this and
other forums on ink/paper incompatibility problems, banding under various
conditions, bronzing, etc., I was wondering if I'd bought the wrong printer
since I tend to stay with OEM ink, but a wide variety of papers.

The calendar pages are printed on two sides, and the paper I happened to
have on hand that I wanted to use is Staples "professional" double-sided,
heavy matte finish photo paper that I bought fairly inexpensively last
year.

Last night I tried my first test print on the paper - the cover photo - but
at only about 20% size on a small waste piece of the paper. It looked
really good, so I tried the full size (letter size) borderless print - all
still on normal quality. I printed from IrfanView after having worked the
image in The Gimp and exporting to a several MP high quality JPEG. Just as
I finished, the low ink warning popped up for the yellow cartridge.

I was delighted! The print looked every bit as good as a traditionally
processed photo of comparable size.

CONCLUSIONS - first, at least for plain paper (standard copier paper,
"parchment", and envelopes) and the Staples photopaper I tried, I could
hardly ask for more. Speed is great - but keeping in mind that my previous
printer at home was an HP 720 - pretty old and prety slow to be comparing
against. My work printer is an HP 6122 (not a photo printer), but the Canon
is still impresive compared to that. I haven't had the printer long enough
to expect any clogging problems, so can't comment on that. I don't use it
every day, but it probably is used a minimum of once or twice a week -
usually more. It rarely is idle more than a week or two.

My ony reservations at this point is the ink usage. It's hard to make
comparisons. I did essentially the same (different photos and letter
content) Christmas projects last year but don't really recall what the ink
cost was. My gut feel is that while this printer may have taken more or
less ink for the project, at the cost of the cartridges, I think the Canon
may have been more expensive. Tiem will tell. I have, in the past, stayed
with OEM cartridges since I choose to have the assurance of quality and
predictable colors, but if they don't come down in time, third party ink
may be very tempting. I am not into refilling - tried it years ago with my
previous HP and was never satisfied with the result.

Interestingly, I saw essentially no variation between online and local
store prices of the cartridges. Online would even add shipping, so had no
advantage. I bought at Staples (dye-based cartridges, didn't have the
pigment cartridge) and OfficeMax (pigment black) for the same price as they
were at a variety of places online, where I could find them. The exception
was Office Depot, who only showed one of the dye-based cartridges (forget
which one) and it was priced roughly twice the cost of the same at other
places - wierd!

Anyhow, thanks if you stayed with this. As a new photo inkjet printer
users, new Canon convert, and with a just out printer (5200), I htought
first-hand experience might be of interest.

Optiker
Keep checking back on this ng as to when and which after market 5200
carts are available. And don't worry about clogging. It's not a problem.
Frank
 
Frank wrote:

[snip]
Keep checking back on this ng as to when and which after market 5200
carts are available. And don't worry about clogging. It's not a problem.
Frank

Very impressive. 97 lines of text quoted. 3 original lines added.

At least you didn't top post. :-)
 
Scott said:
Very impressive. 97 lines of text quoted. 3 original lines added.

At least you didn't top post. :-)

Just checking to make sure Scott was awake and paying attention. :-)
Frank
 
Scott said:
Frank wrote:

======================================================================
CR said:
Having gotten fed up with HP for various reasons, and after checking the
various forums and reviews, with some reservations regarding plugged
nozzles, ink/paper compatibillity, ink usage, etc., I bought a Canon
PIXMA
iP5200. My needs are for a general use color printer for all purposes,
plus
photo-quality printing at up to letter-size from tiem to time. It was
delievered a week or so before Christmas - CompUSA, $130 after rebates,
free shipping.

My first project was printing Christmas newsletters, Christmas cards, and
envelopes, printed at normal quality..

Cards were two per page, so about half of one side a color photo, and one
half of the other side text that was perhaps half as dense as a typical
text document. I printed 50 of these duplexed on 65 lb. parchment
paper fed
from the upper feed with mostly normal settings, but some color
adjustment
for the color which to my eye, was too bright and to warm.

Letters were two-sided duplex printed on plain paper from the casette.
These were typica text density, but with approximately 25% on each
side in
color photos or graphics. There wer about 100 of these.

Envelopes were quarter-sheet size to fit the quarter folded letters and
folded half-sheet cards. They had a typical address in a heavy, bold,
16-pt
font, return address in 10-pt font, and a small (1 cm square) graphic
next
to the return address, and a full-width, 2/3 height photo, fading from
full
color at the lower-left corner to white at the uper-right corner. There
were about 100 of these.

IUn addition, there had been a few test prints.

By the time this project was 75% printed (about 75 of each), I got a
low-ink indication on cyan and magenta. Yellow and black pigment were
down,
and black dye was still nearly full. I was able to finish printing the
remaining 25% of the project before the magenta ran out and I had to
replace it.

On the following project, cyan quickly ran out, and I am still working on
that project, with yellow now nearly out. The second project is a
calendar.
So far, I've only printed some test prints - a couple of full pages of
thumbnails at normal quality, two or three full page (letter-size)
photos,
and a full page borderless photo, all at normal quality.

This is my first photo inkjet printer, and after reading posts on this
and
other forums on ink/paper incompatibility problems, banding under various
conditions, bronzing, etc., I was wondering if I'd bought the wrong
printer
since I tend to stay with OEM ink, but a wide variety of papers.
Staying with OEM ink is a good choice since you want to protect against
a clogged printhead and have the best quality results. In addition, the
aftermarket vendors are nothing more than relabelers and repackagers and
they will not tell you want they are selling you and will not disclose
the mfg/formulator of the ink. It is likely you will get the same crap
from a multitude of vendors under different labels and packaging. That
said if you are going to be that high a volume of print load you may
want to consider afgtermarket prefilled carts (refilling is a mess and a
pain in the ass) but to date there are no carts that meet all of Canon's
requirements that will work properly and have a close ink formulation as
their new ink for your printer.

As for paper, Costco sells their kirkland paper in two different sizes.
The letter size is about $19.00 and may be made by illford. I also
bought a Fiskars rotary paper cutter there for around $30.00 and cut to
size. The prrecut (4x6) is not made by the same company (probably not
illford) is not as white and is thinner. I would go with the full sheet
and make by own sizes.
I tested the Costrco/Kirkland against Canon Photo Paper Pro and found
the quality to be just a hair less if you actually examine it up real
close. Basically it is a very very slight texture difference for a 1/7
of the price.

For standard printing I like the Hammermill InkJet Premium bright
white. For matte photo paper I would try Epson double weighted double
sided matte. Canon's take on paper is that Epson papers work just find
in Canon printers.
The calendar pages are printed on two sides, and the paper I happened to
have on hand that I wanted to use is Staples "professional" double-sided,
heavy matte finish photo paper that I bought fairly inexpensively last
year.

Last night I tried my first test print on the paper - the cover photo
- but
at only about 20% size on a small waste piece of the paper. It looked
really good, so I tried the full size (letter size) borderless print -
all
still on normal quality. I printed from IrfanView after having worked the
image in The Gimp and exporting to a several MP high quality JPEG.
Just as
I finished, the low ink warning popped up for the yellow cartridge.

I was delighted! The print looked every bit as good as a traditionally
processed photo of comparable size.

CONCLUSIONS - first, at least for plain paper (standard copier paper,
"parchment", and envelopes) and the Staples photopaper I tried, I could
hardly ask for more. Speed is great - but keeping in mind that my
previous
printer at home was an HP 720 - pretty old and prety slow to be comparing
against. My work printer is an HP 6122 (not a photo printer), but the
Canon
is still impresive compared to that. I haven't had the printer long
enough
to expect any clogging problems, so can't comment on that. I don't use it
every day, but it probably is used a minimum of once or twice a week -
usually more. It rarely is idle more than a week or two.
The big advantage that HP has over Canon is the HP draft is so good that
you can use it all over. While the IP5200 draft is better than the
IP4000 it still lags behind HP. I have both printers.
My ony reservations at this point is the ink usage. It's hard to make
comparisons. I did essentially the same (different photos and letter
content) Christmas projects last year but don't really recall what the
ink
cost was. My gut feel is that while this printer may have taken more or
less ink for the project, at the cost of the cartridges, I think the
Canon
may have been more expensive. Tiem will tell.

You will find over time that Canon ink goes further and costs less money.
I have, in the past, stayed
with OEM cartridges since I choose to have the assurance of quality and
predictable colors, but if they don't come down in time, third party ink
may be very tempting.

I know but I would not do it. It would be nice to have a real ink
mfg?formulator make and package prefilled BRANDED carts and sell them
through all venues under their name so one can track the performance.
Currently that is not the case.
I am not into refilling - tried it years ago with my
previous HP and was never satisfied with the result.
And it is a messy pain in the ass and all that work when you do not even
know what you are getting.
Interestingly, I saw essentially no variation between online and local
store prices of the cartridges. Online would even add shipping, so had no
advantage.

That is what I am trying to say but you will find that the religious
fanatics posting here and in another forum (that they dominate) will
argue with you. Not only are the prices not that great (after shipping)
but the vendors will not tell you what they are selling you and if you
look at the websites you will find they disclose very little information.

Many of the CRANKIE Balls on this NG will extoll (lie) the virtues of
refilling. I have found many of them connected in some way with the
printing business so it seems that this is a planned snowjob.

I bought at Staples (dye-based cartridges, didn't have the
pigment cartridge) and OfficeMax (pigment black) for the same price as they
were at a variety of places online, where I could find them. The exception
was Office Depot, who only showed one of the dye-based cartridges (forget
which one) and it was priced roughly twice the cost of the same at other
places - wierd!

Anyhow, thanks if you stayed with this. As a new photo inkjet printer
users, new Canon convert, and with a just out printer (5200), I htought
first-hand experience might be of interest.

Optiker


======================================================================
[snip]
Keep checking back on this ng as to when and which after market 5200
carts are available. And don't worry about clogging. It's not a problem.
Frank


Very impressive. 97 lines of text quoted. 3 original lines added.

At least you didn't top post. :-)
 
measekite said:
======================================================================
CR Optiker wrote:

Snip
Staying with OEM ink is a good choice since you want to protect against a
clogged printhead and have the best quality results. In addition, the
aftermarket vendors are nothing more than relabelers and repackagers and
they will not tell you want they are selling you and will not disclose the
mfg/formulator of the ink.

Not True. A number of poster including myself have already given checkable
details of mfg/formulator and branded packaging of 'compatible' inks for all
canon printers that are available.
It is likely you will get the same crap > from a multitude of vendors under
different labels and packaging.

Untrue. I know of an author who uses refilled canon cartridges from his
local Cartridge World without a problem. He gets the same quality at a lower
price.
That said if you are going to be that high a volume of print load you may
want to consider afgtermarket prefilled carts (refilling is a mess and a
pain in the ass)

How would you know? You have constantly told readers that you have never
refilled a cartridge!
but to date there are no carts that meet all of Canon's
requirements that will work properly and have a close ink formulation as
their new ink for your printer.
Snip

I know but I would not do it. It would be nice to have a real ink
mfg?formulator make and package prefilled BRANDED carts and sell them
through all venues under their name so one can track the performance.
Currently that is not the case.

Not true.

And it is a messy pain in the ass and all that work when you do not even
know what you are getting.

Not true.
Interestingly, I saw essentially no variation between online and local
store prices of the cartridges. Online would even add shipping, so had no
advantage.

That is what I am trying to say but you will find that the religious
fanatics posting here and in another forum (that they dominate) will argue
with you. Not only are the prices not that great (after shipping) but the
vendors will not tell you what they are selling you and if you look at the
websites you will find they disclose very little information.

Many of the CRANKIE Balls on this NG will extoll (lie) the virtues of
refilling. I have found many of them connected in some way with the
printing business so it seems that this is a planned snowjob.

I bought at Staples (dye-based cartridges, didn't have the
pigment cartridge) and OfficeMax (pigment black) for the same price as
they
were at a variety of places online, where I could find them. The exception
was Office Depot, who only showed one of the dye-based cartridges (forget
which one) and it was priced roughly twice the cost of the same at other
places - wierd!

Anyhow, thanks if you stayed with this. As a new photo inkjet printer
users, new Canon convert, and with a just out printer (5200), I htought
first-hand experience might be of interest.

Optiker


======================================================================
[snip]
Keep checking back on this ng as to when and which after market 5200
carts are available. And don't worry about clogging. It's not a problem.
Frank


Very impressive. 97 lines of text quoted. 3 original lines added.

At least you didn't top post. :-)

Soon third party inks,cartridges and methods will be available to refill the
cartridge for ALL the new canon printers, indeed it is already possible to
refill the new cartridges with the electronics and printhead on them, to
great success and with no loss of quality or clogging.

Stick
 
THE ABOVE IS VERY TRUE

THE NEXT PARAGRAPH IS A TOTAL LIE. THERE ARE NOT DETAILS AND NO BRANDS
AND FOR THE IP5200 THERE IS NOT EVEN ANYTHING THAT THEY CAN CALL COMPATIBLE
Not True. A number of poster including myself have already given checkable
details of mfg/formulator and branded packaging of 'compatible' inks for all
canon printers that are available.
THE ABOVE IS VERY TRUE

CART WORLD CLAIMS TO USE ONLY FORMULABS INK. DO YOU WANT TO DRAG A
BUNCH OF DIRTY FILTHY MESSY CARTS DOWN TO A PLACE AND WAIT FOR A TIME TO
HAVE THEM REFILLED AND THEN TAKE THE DIRTY LEAKY CARTS BACK AND INSTALL
THEM AGAIN. HO HO HO THERE IS NOT SANTA

AND IFYOU HAVE TROUBLE WITH THAT AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE YOU MAY GET THE
SAME INK SINCE MOST WILL NOT TELL YOU. DO NOT LISTEN TO THESE LIES
Untrue. I know of an author who uses refilled canon cartridges from his
local Cartridge World without a problem. He gets the same quality at a lower
price.
ALL YOU NEED IS HALF A BRAIN TO KNOW IT IS A MESSY PAIN IN THE ASS.,
How would you know? You have constantly told readers that you have never
refilled a cartridge!
A BIG FAT SNIP AND NO RESPONSE TO THE ABOVE BECAUSE IT IS SO TRUE THE
POSTER DOES NOT KNOW WHAT TO SAY.
THE GUY IS SMARTER THAN YOU ARE. WHAT CAN I SAY.
It would be nice to have a real ink
mfg?formulator make and package prefilled BRANDED carts and sell them
through all venues under their name so one can track the performance.
Currently that is not the case.
OH SO VERY TRUE. YOU CANNOT NAME ANY.

SNIP

I am not into refilling - tried it years ago with my
previous HP and was never satisfied with the result.
And it is a messy pain in the ass and all that work when you do not even
know what you are getting.

SNIP


Interestingly, I saw essentially no variation between online and local
store prices of the cartridges. Online would even add shipping, so had no
advantage.
That is what I am trying to say but you will find that the religious
fanatics posting here and in another forum (that they dominate) will argue
with you. Not only are the prices not that great (after shipping) but the
vendors will not tell you what they are selling you and if you look at the
websites you will find they disclose very little information.

Many of the CRANKIE Balls on this NG will extoll (lie) the virtues of
refilling. I have found many of them connected in some way with the
printing business so it seems that this is a planned snowjob.

I bought at Staples (dye-based cartridges, didn't have the
pigment cartridge) and OfficeMax (pigment black) for the same price as
they
were at a variety of places online, where I could find them. The exception
was Office Depot, who only showed one of the dye-based cartridges (forget
which one) and it was priced roughly twice the cost of the same at other
places - wierd!

Anyhow, thanks if you stayed with this. As a new photo inkjet printer
users, new Canon convert, and with a just out printer (5200), I htought
first-hand experience might be of interest.

Optiker


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Keep checking back on this ng as to when and which after market 5200
carts are available. And don't worry about clogging. It's not a problem.
Frank
HA HA HA YEP
HE HE HE NOPE
HO HO HO NOPE
Soon third party inks,cartridges and methods will be available to refill the
cartridge for ALL the new canon printers,
NOPE

indeed it is already possible to
refill the new cartridges with the electronics and printhead on them,
NOPE

to
great success and with no loss of quality or clogging.

Stick
LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE
 
Stick said:

Meashershithead is a know pathological liar. Don't believe one word of
his all cap diatribes as nothing about them is true. Plus the fact that
he has absolutely no personal use experience with any after market ink.
He knows nothing about after market inks.
Nothing!
Frank
 
Measkite said <there is nothing compatable for the ip5200>
<paraphrasing mine>

Japan got the chromalife 100 before the americas or europe, and
expecting america to get bci-7 ink was made for the new models.
Measkite is blissfully unaware that what we know of as the pixma series
is the pixus series in japan. And the chromalife 100 ink that was sold
for the older pixma models is the same stuff as sold in the new models.


So while I can't honestly say bci-7 is the exact same stuff as cli-8...
I can say that bci-7 ink works in the same heads as we use in america.
I can't say if our colors are identical, but even if that is an issue
one can tell the printer it's Japanese.

I can say there are compatible chromalife 100 inks... these have been
out since before this ink hit america. That is a fact. That's all I
can say. Measekite is again spreading seeds of doubt in a case where
he knows nothing about the subject... while I too am ignorant I at
least will admit it and feel no shame as I don't own the current model.
I would reccomend that one get feedback from other users as to how
well the new compatable inks work before buying them, but they are at
the very least designed for the current and prior generation
printheads.
 
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