Usenet vs. Web

[RJB]

I am going to go out on a limb and say I prefer the web access to these help
groups OVER the usenet versions. I would think others, would, too.

Follow me out, please.

I currently am not having any problems with, say, Excel.

So I dont subscribe to any Excel newsgroups.

But tomorrow, I may need to do something bizarre - like writing a formula
that will take prime numbers, divide by pi, and if the result rhymes with
whatever word is typed into cell A1, it will list it as a nine-digit number,
will cross-reference it and give me the phone number of the nearest Circuit
City to that ZIP+4 code.

So, if I subscribe to the Excel newsgroup, it only pushes posts from June 2
til today into my Outlook.

But on the web interface, I can search archives that go back at least as far
as September 2004.

So I can actually look to see if someone else had a similar problem, and try
to solve it for myself.

But with the usenet version, I MUST post my CURRENT problem. Which is
probably frustrating for people who monitor this thing.

So, I would think the web interface would be OK.

But reading other people's posts, it seems that if I use the Web version, my
children will be born dumb.

 

[Leythos]

I am going to go out on a limb and say I prefer the web access to these help
groups OVER the usenet versions. I would think others, would, too.

Follow me out, please.

I currently am not having any problems with, say, Excel.

So I dont subscribe to any Excel newsgroups.

But tomorrow, I may need to do something bizarre - like writing a formula
that will take prime numbers, divide by pi, and if the result rhymes with
whatever word is typed into cell A1, it will list it as a nine-digit number,
will cross-reference it and give me the phone number of the nearest Circuit
City to that ZIP+4 code.

So, if I subscribe to the Excel newsgroup, it only pushes posts from June 2
til today into my Outlook.

But on the web interface, I can search archives that go back at least as far
as September 2004.

The archive is not on a Usenet server, it's archive that may provide
lookup via the web interface. In some cases, like with Deja, it was a
Usenet server with massive storage ability at one point. I'm not sure
what google does now.

So I can actually look to see if someone else had a similar problem, and try
to solve it for myself.

Most usenet servers only provide XX days / months of history, it's
always been that way. The archives, which are mostly web based now, are
a second means to search, but they are not a feature rich as a Usenet
client connection.

Some of the ISP's carry 12 months of articles online, others carry only
days, it is almost always different for different ISP's.

But with the usenet version, I MUST post my CURRENT problem. Which is
probably frustrating for people who monitor this thing.

So, I would think the web interface would be OK.

You should use what makes it easiest for you. In my case I've always use
a Usenet client and keep a record of every usenet post I've made, that
would be hard to do using the web interface.

But reading other people's posts, it seems that if I use the Web version, my
children will be born dumb.

Again, use what you want, each person will use the method that works
best for them.

 

[Ken Blake]

In

I am going to go out on a limb and say I prefer the web access
to
these help groups OVER the usenet versions. I would think
others,
would, too.
Follow me out, please.

I currently am not having any problems with, say, Excel.

So I dont subscribe to any Excel newsgroups.

But tomorrow, I may need to do something bizarre - like writing
a
formula that will take prime numbers, divide by pi, and if the
result
rhymes with whatever word is typed into cell A1, it will list
it as a
nine-digit number, will cross-reference it and give me the
phone
number of the nearest Circuit City to that ZIP+4 code.

So, if I subscribe to the Excel newsgroup, it only pushes posts
from
June 2 til today into my Outlook.

First, note that Outlook doesn't do newsgroups at all. You mean
Outlook Express, not Outlook.

Second, with Outlook Express you can get all the posts that are
one the server, not just a couple of days back. If you're not
getting all the posts, it's probably that you have Outlook
Express configured to get only 300 posts at a time (the default).
Go to Tools | Options, and on the Read tab, uncheck "Get nnnn
headers at a time."

Third, Outlook Express is only one newsreader out of many
possible choices. If you don't like the way Outlook Express does
things, try some other newsreader. They are almost all better
than using the web interface.

But on the web interface, I can search archives that go back at
least
as far as September 2004.

Fourth, if you want to do a search, the search facilities at
http://groups-beta.ghow oogle.com/ are probably the best
available, and you can (and should) use them regardless of you
normally participate in newsgroups.

So I can actually look to see if someone else had a similar
problem,
and try to solve it for myself.

That's good to do, but try googlegroups (especially their
advanced group search), which is superior.

But with the usenet version, I MUST post my CURRENT problem.
Which is
probably frustrating for people who monitor this thing.

So, I would think the web interface would be OK.

But reading other people's posts, it seems that if I use the
Web
version, my children will be born dumb.

You are welcome to use newsgroups any way you want, but people
are trying to help you by pointing out better ways of doing
things. As far as I'm concerned, there are two major problems
with using the Microsoft web-based interface:

1. It doesn't work very well, and people often have a hard time
finding what they're looking for.

2. If you want to participate in a newsgroup regularly, it's much
slower than a newsreader. That's because it gets the messages one
at a time, as you navigate to each new message. With a
newsreader, you can download all the unread messages at once, so
moving from one to the next is instantaneous.

 

[RJB]

The google group thing sounds interesting...

But your link was a little flaky. Can you repost?

Thanks for the tip,

(And, you have to admit, many people just ain't trying to help when they
extol the virtues of newsgroups vs. Web... It seems like it's an ego "I was
internet before internet was cool" kind of thing.)

 

[FUD]

I am going to go out on a limb and say I prefer the web access to
these help groups OVER the usenet versions. I would think others,
would, too.
Follow me out, please.

I currently am not having any problems with, say, Excel.

So I dont subscribe to any Excel newsgroups.

But tomorrow, I may need to do something bizarre - like writing a
formula that will take prime numbers, divide by pi, and if the result
rhymes with whatever word is typed into cell A1, it will list it as a
nine-digit number, will cross-reference it and give me the phone
number of the nearest Circuit City to that ZIP+4 code.

So, if I subscribe to the Excel newsgroup, it only pushes posts from
June 2 til today into my Outlook.

But on the web interface, I can search archives that go back at least
as far as September 2004.

So I can actually look to see if someone else had a similar problem,
and try to solve it for myself.

But with the usenet version, I MUST post my CURRENT problem. Which is
probably frustrating for people who monitor this thing.

So, I would think the web interface would be OK.

But reading other people's posts, it seems that if I use the Web
version, my children will be born dumb.

That is, if you are bright enough to get it in the right hole.
Hopefully this will be the one and only generation of CDO posters.

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[FUD]

The google group thing sounds interesting...

But your link was a little flaky. Can you repost?

Thanks for the tip,

(And, you have to admit, many people just ain't trying to help when
they extol the virtues of newsgroups vs. Web... It seems like it's an
ego "I was internet before internet was cool" kind of thing.)

You definately are a CDO poster! Go to google' main page and click on
the Groups link.

Are you capable of finding Googles main page?

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[Ken Blake]

In

The google group thing sounds interesting...

But your link was a little flaky. Can you repost?

Sure. I'm not sure what happened, but it's just
www.googlegroups.com

Thanks for the tip,

You're welcome.

(And, you have to admit, many people just ain't trying to help
when
they extol the virtues of newsgroups vs. Web... It seems like
it's an
ego "I was internet before internet was cool" kind of thing.)

There may be some people like that, but in my experience the
great majority of those who tout a newsreader instead of using
the Microsoft CDO web interface are simply trying to help. I'm
one of those people, and I know I'm trying to help when I do it.

 

[t.cruise]

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=
en&btnG=Google+Search (copy and paste entire link if it appears on more than one line
and part is in black)
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The google group thing sounds interesting...

But your link was a little flaky. Can you repost?

Thanks for the tip,

(And, you have to admit, many people just ain't trying to help when they
extol the virtues of newsgroups vs. Web... It seems like it's an ego "I was
internet before internet was cool" kind of thing.)

 

[RJB]

Wow. What a relief.

I was worried it had taken so long for you to rub your stained taint on this
thread. I thought perhaps something was wrong.

 

[RJB]

Thanks. I thought you had some new beta thing you were showing.

I hadn't tried googlegroups yet... Just migrated from the Microsoft site.

 

[RJB]

I should rephrase! It's not "many" people. It's usually just that Kurt guy
and one or two others.

But they make up the lion's share of the "advice" in many threads... The
Pareto Principle in action!

 

[Ken Blake]

In

Thanks. I thought you had some new beta thing you were showing.

You're welcome.

 

[kurttrail]

Thanks. I thought you had some new beta thing you were showing.

I hadn't tried googlegroups yet... Just migrated from the Microsoft
site.

Check your address bar when typing in:
www.googlegroups.com


When you hit go or press enter, the url resolves into:
http://groups-beta.google.com/

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[kurttrail]

Wow. What a relief.

I was worried it had taken so long for you to rub your stained taint
on this thread. I thought perhaps something was wrong.

Nope. You noobs are such dainty creatures! Got toughen up if you are
gonna hang here!

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[Guest]

I am going to go out on a limb and say I prefer the web access to these help
groups OVER the usenet versions. I would think others, would, too.

Follow me out, please.

I currently am not having any problems with, say, Excel.

So I dont subscribe to any Excel newsgroups.

But tomorrow, I may need to do something bizarre - like writing a formula
that will take prime numbers, divide by pi, and if the result rhymes with
whatever word is typed into cell A1, it will list it as a nine-digit number,
will cross-reference it and give me the phone number of the nearest Circuit
City to that ZIP+4 code.

So, if I subscribe to the Excel newsgroup, it only pushes posts from June 2
til today into my Outlook.

But on the web interface, I can search archives that go back at least as far
as September 2004.

So I can actually look to see if someone else had a similar problem, and try
to solve it for myself.

But with the usenet version, I MUST post my CURRENT problem. Which is
probably frustrating for people who monitor this thing.

So, I would think the web interface would be OK.

But reading other people's posts, it seems that if I use the Web version, my
children will be born dumb.

Hello, There is that sort of attitude in some newsgroups.
Do what is best for your needs.
I use Outlook Express (serviced by my ISP),
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups/dir?q=microsoft.public.windowsxp and
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx. There
are others for special projects and different subject matter. Each of the
three listed have good and bad points. One suggestion; learn to use the
search functions.
Take Care.
beamish.

 

[kurttrail]

Hello, There is that sort of attitude in some newsgroups.

The attitude is that a newsreader is best to read newsgroups. Wow, what
a novel concept! Like web mail is a convenience when away from your own
PC, when at home, web mail is an inelegant email solution. It is
always better to read email through an email program, when available and
secure.

Same basic premise applies to newsgroups and newsreaders. As a
temporary convenience, the web interface will suffice, but if your are
gonna spend some time posting and reading and learning from this
newsgroup or any newsgroup, a newsreader will be an much more efficient
and pleasant means to access a newsgroup.

A decade or so ago, posting to a newsgroup with an AOL email addy was
like the worst thing you could do. Many people would not reply to you
if you had one. While not as rampant here, some people won't reply to
CDO posts at all.

Do what is best for your needs.
I use Outlook Express (serviced by my ISP),
http://groups-beta.google.com/groups/dir?q=microsoft.public.windowsxp
and
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroups/reader.mspx.
There are others for special projects and different subject matter.
Each of the three listed have good and bad points. One suggestion;
learn to use the search functions.
Take Care.
beamish.

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[RJB]

Dude.

Do. Not. Presume. Someone doesn't know what they're doing because they don't
agree with you.

Granted, I am not hip to newsgroups vs. the Web... I tend to usually call
someone if I get stuck on something. Which is rare.

But my social skills allow me to have things called "friends" whom are
willing to help.

Why, that was the case when I had trouble installing Bernoulli boxes in
1984.

Or building a computer from scratch in 1979. Now, it only ran BASIC, but
still...

All I'm saying is, I ain't a noob, or rube, Scoob.

Go pick on someone who can be intimidated.

 

[kurttrail]

Dude.
Man.


Do. Not. Presume.

LOL! Don't. Act. Like. A. NOOB.

Someone doesn't know what they're doing because
they don't agree with you.

Is that the reason I believed you were a noob? Not that I'm aware of.

"Do. Not. Presume." ROFL! It's robot talk in a newsgroup! Cool!

Granted, I am not hip to newsgroups vs. the Web... I tend to usually
call someone if I get stuck on something. Which is rare.

For the sound of it, the closest you are to hip, is needing a
replacement hip.

But my social skills allow me to have things called "friends" whom are
willing to help.

LOL! And all 2 of them are no longer taking your calls, so you came
here!

Why, that was the case when I had trouble installing Bernoulli boxes
in 1984.

Or building a computer from scratch in 1979. Now, it only ran BASIC,
but still...

All I'm saying is,

You're a pocket-protector wearing nerd from way-back!

I ain't a noob, or rube, Scoob.
Ie-Doobie-Doo!

Go pick on someone who can be intimidated.

Picking on you?! Is that how you feel? Poor baby!

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[Bruce Chambers]

But with the usenet version, I MUST post my CURRENT problem. Which is
probably frustrating for people who monitor this thing.

Or you could search for a previous posting on the same subject, which
is *much* easier to do with a news reader on Usenet than it is via that
execrable CDO web interface.





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[George]

The attitude is that a newsreader is best to read newsgroups. Wow, what
a novel concept! Like web mail is a convenience when away from your own
PC, when at home, web mail is an inelegant email solution. It is
always better to read email through an email program, when available and
secure.

Same basic premise applies to newsgroups and newsreaders. As a
temporary convenience, the web interface will suffice, but if your are
gonna spend some time posting and reading and learning from this
newsgroup or any newsgroup, a newsreader will be an much more efficient
and pleasant means to access a newsgroup.

A decade or so ago, posting to a newsgroup with an AOL email addy was
like the worst thing you could do. Many people would not reply to you
if you had one. While not as rampant here, some people won't reply to
CDO posts at all.



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If you are one of those Kurt then maybe we should ALL go to the web
interface!!!

PEACE!

George