Use OE as newsgroup ?

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DonE

I've seen it mentioned that anyone not using OE in
newsgroups is "misinformed", and some claim that anyone
not using OE has "something to hide".There have been some
that said OE is superior in one way or another. Why do'nt
we clear the air here and now? If you have an "opinion"
you are entitled to that opinion. As we in the USA like
to say " It's a free country ", and until someone proves
me wrong, everyone is entitled to their own opinion
without having to defend themselves from those who resort
to name calling when they have nothing intelligent to say.
I'm new to newsgroups and am using a web based newsreader.
I tried OE but did not like it. Lets just say it is a
personal prefrance and I have no scientific reason. I'm
still trying to learn about computers and use the
newsgroups to gain knowledge that is either unavailable
or too difficult for a newbie to locate. Any takers?
 
Hi

If you are not sure how to setup OE to use News Groups, the following article will help you:

"Setting up Outlook Express Newsreader"
http://michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

Courtesy of MVP Michael Stevens.

You prefer the CDO Interface over OE - why? The CDO Interface is hard to search and ergo hard to find your own postings if they are more than a few minutes old. I can't see any advantages of using the CDO Interface instead of a News Reader - perhaps you can change my mind!!!!

You're lucky that you haven't posted this message into one of the Win ME news groups...

Will
 
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In


I've never seen anyone claim that. I've seen lots of people claim
that it's much better to use a newsreader (not necessarily
Outlook Express) than the web-based interface; I very definitely
agree. Although I personally prefer Outlook Express, there are
many other choices of newsreaders, and I wouldn't presume to
insist that anyone else has to prefer my choice.




You are certainly welcome to that opinion. I would recommend that
if you don't like Outlook Express, you try another newsreader or
two, but if you decide you don't like any newsreader, and want to
stick with the web-based interface, that's OK with me too. I
think you hurt yourself if that's the choice you make, but you
are certainly free to make it.




The problem is that using newsgroups with the web-based interface
makes it harder to get that knowledge. But it's your choice; each
to his own.

--
Ken Blake
Please reply to the newsgroup

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Well I just checked back and so far I've received two
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replies to this time. However neither reply gave any
specifics as to why OE makes a better news reader.
Since OE is easier to search as one claimed,he should
have no problem finding that "misinformed" comment. I
did'nt. And why, pray tell, would using a web based
newsreader make it more difficult to learn ?
Come on people give me specifics , not implied reasons
with no basis in fact. Give everyone reading this the
facts they need to convince them that OE newsreader is
superior. Hope to hear from anyone with reasons based in
provable facts.
 
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Hi

If you are not sure how to setup OE to use News Groups,
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the following article will help you:
"Setting up Outlook Express Newsreader"
http://michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

Courtesy of MVP Michael Stevens.

You prefer the CDO Interface over OE - why? The CDO
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Interface is hard to search and ergo hard to find your
own postings if they are more than a few minutes old. I
can't see any advantages of using the CDO Interface
instead of a News Reader - perhaps you can change my
mind!!!!
You're lucky that you haven't posted this message into
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one of the Win ME news groups...
Will




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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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Color me confused,but why is it that I am lucky I
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did'nt post what ever it was on a ME newsgroup ?
If the call went out for all with Windows ME to go beat
up everyone who says what ever you were implying I said,
I must have missed it. My previous computer was Windows
ME. Guess I'd better go fire it up and see whatever it
was to which you were infiring.
 
DonE,

OK, my reasons for preferring Outlook Express are:
1) Messages refresh every time OE checks for mail (5 mins on my system), so
I don't have the endless drudgery of having to manually refresh a web page.
2) I don't have rows of ads and blinking banners taking up half the
available window space.
3) Threads are more easily followed without clicking back and forth to other
pages.
4) Using a dedicated news server directly leaves out conversion to an html
webpage.
5) The visual layout is so much clearer and cleaner generally.
6) Erm....er...surely only a pussy would read NNTP by HTTP?

How's that?
Chek
 
DonE said:
replies to this time. However neither reply gave any
specifics as to why OE makes a better news reader.
Since OE is easier to search as one claimed,he should
have no problem finding that "misinformed" comment. I
did'nt. And why, pray tell, would using a web based
newsreader make it more difficult to learn ?
Come on people give me specifics , not implied reasons
with no basis in fact. Give everyone reading this the
facts they need to convince them that OE newsreader is
superior. Hope to hear from anyone with reasons based in
provable facts.
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Don

You can flag threads as "watched"
open a newsgroup and show only replies to your messages
keep a copy of all the messages you post
download Headers Only
see where the message was posted from
keep a newsgroup message store for archiving
prevent the display of HTML messages
use Message Rules to highlight your messages and any replies to your
messages with a color
use Message Rules to delete messages from certain people
Block messages from anyone
Search for messages as far back as the message store goes
sort the messages any way you wish
save individual messages as a .nws file to your hard drive

There's more to this list, but this will give you an idea. There are other
newsgroup clients that give many more options than OE and some web based
newsreaders that are much better than the CDO interface that you are using.
CDO is still in it's infancy and there are things being done to improve it's
abilities.

--
Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

Please reply to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.
 
Don,
I personally use and prefer Outlook Express for Newsgroups; however, if you
prefer Internet Explorer have at it for still 'tis a free country.
Cheers,
Gene K
 
I've seen it mentioned that anyone not using OE in
newsgroups is "misinformed", and some claim that anyone
not using OE has "something to hide".There have been some
that said OE is superior in one way or another. Why do'nt
we clear the air here and now? If you have an "opinion"
you are entitled to that opinion. As we in the USA like
to say " It's a free country ", and until someone proves
me wrong, everyone is entitled to their own opinion
without having to defend themselves from those who resort
to name calling when they have nothing intelligent to say.
I'm new to newsgroups and am using a web based newsreader.
I tried OE but did not like it. Lets just say it is a
personal prefrance and I have no scientific reason. I'm
still trying to learn about computers and use the
newsgroups to gain knowledge that is either unavailable
or too difficult for a newbie to locate. Any takers?
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Don, if you prefer the web interface - that's fine with me.

Personally, I prefer a newsreader - any newsreader - compared to the web
interface.

I have OE, 40tude Dialog and Agent installed. Currently Dialog is my
favorite. What I like about newsreaders is that I can *easily* manage the
newsgroups that I participate in. I can see a thread with a new response in
a glance and go right to that message. The format of a newsreader enhances
the conversational flow. I've tried many times but just do not find the
same workability and flow with the web interface.

You have tried a newsreader and didn't like it. Again, that's fine.

However, many new visitors to these groups are not aware that they have an
alternative to the web interface. Because of this, you will often see
recommendations here for users to give a newsreader a try. They can then
decide for themselves which format they prefer to use.
 
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Don

You can flag threads as "watched"
open a newsgroup and show only replies to your messages
keep a copy of all the messages you post
download Headers Only
see where the message was posted from
keep a newsgroup message store for archiving
prevent the display of HTML messages
use Message Rules to highlight your messages and any replies to your
messages with a color
use Message Rules to delete messages from certain people
Block messages from anyone
Search for messages as far back as the message store goes
sort the messages any way you wish
save individual messages as a .nws file to your hard drive

There's more to this list, but this will give you an idea. There are other
newsgroup clients that give many more options than OE and some web based
newsreaders that are much better than the CDO interface that you are using.
CDO is still in it's infancy and there are things being done to improve it's
abilities.

--
Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

Please reply to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
Unsolicited e-mail is not answered.


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Ronnie Vernon,thank you for the very inclusive reply.
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I had no idea OE could be used to do so many things. As
with most other things pertaining to computers so much is
hidden from view. I am however greatly concerned that
knowledgable individuals,corporations or governments have
the ability to track a computer user with so little
effort. I suppose it is a double edged sword ,and like
I've heard,anything typed on a computer is forever.
Maybe with a lot of effort I'll even learn to use OE with
some degree of ease.A year ago I could'nt even switch a
computer on.Again,thank you for your reply.
 
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Don, if you prefer the web interface - that's fine with me.

Personally, I prefer a newsreader - any newsreader - compared to the web
interface.

I have OE, 40tude Dialog and Agent installed. Currently Dialog is my
favorite. What I like about newsreaders is that I can *easily* manage the
newsgroups that I participate in. I can see a thread with a new response in
a glance and go right to that message. The format of a newsreader enhances
the conversational flow. I've tried many times but just do not find the
same workability and flow with the web interface.

You have tried a newsreader and didn't like it. Again, that's fine.

However, many new visitors to these groups are not aware that they have an
alternative to the web interface. Because of this, you will often see
recommendations here for users to give a newsreader a try. They can then
decide for themselves which format they prefer to use.

--
Sharon F
MS-MVP - Windows XP Shell/User
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Sharon F. thank you for your reply.
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I'm sure someone as comfortable with other types
newsgroups as you seem to be would prefer to use those
rather than a web based. I've never even heard of 40tude
or Agent,or of almost all the others. The learning curve
from where I sit seems quite steep. Perhaps that is why
at this time I prefer what I perceive as the ease of use
of a web based newsreader.
I feel fortunate that I know enough to have a good
firewall and virus protection, when those with vastly
more experience with computers have become infected with
viruses and Worms.Again,thank you for your reply.
 
I'm sure someone as comfortable with other types
newsgroups as you seem to be would prefer to use those
rather than a web based. I've never even heard of 40tude
or Agent,or of almost all the others. The learning curve
from where I sit seems quite steep. Perhaps that is why
at this time I prefer what I perceive as the ease of use
of a web based newsreader.
I feel fortunate that I know enough to have a good
firewall and virus protection, when those with vastly
more experience with computers have become infected with
viruses and Worms.Again,thank you for your reply.
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You're welcome, Don. Use any interface that you want. We're glad to see you
here in the groups. :)

Since you wonder about it: 40tude Dialog is by a young programmer from
Europe. The program handles email and newsgroups. I just use it for
newsgroups. Found a reference to this newsreader on Michael Steven's
website and followed that over to: http://www.40tude.com/dialog/

Nice little tutorial here that does an illustrated walk through on setup:
http://roadwarriorcomputers.netfirms.com/tutorial/tutorial1.htm

To set up the MS server in any newsreader, enter msnews.microsoft.com as
the server name. Default newsgroup port: 119. No user name or password is
required.
 
DonE
Taking the adversarial approach out of the equation, it's actually a horses
for courses situation.
If it wasn't for web access, it'd be difficult to check newsgroups when
you're away from home for instance.
But I like to get back to using OE after a few days of that!
All the best,
Chek
 
Apparently I did not make myself clear in my previous
post. I asked for reasons others prefer the OE
newsreader, not why I do not. Any more responses?
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One of the biggest reasons for me is that I use a local newserver, so
fetching posts is a lot faster than going over the internet. Also, reading
by browser doesn't allow me to flag conversations to watch, mark everything
as read, manage a killfile, and other reasons.
--
Brian Tillman
Smiths Aerospace
3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3
Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991
Brian.Tillman is the name, smiths-aerospace.com is the domain.

I don't speak for Smiths, and Smiths doesn't speak for me.
 
Sharon,thank you for taking the time to provide the
information concerning the additional newsgroups. I have
located both the newsgroup and the setup information and
will look them over carefully and give them a try. Also,
thank you for the info about the MS server and the
default newsgroup port.
I'm beginning to understand the necessity of using OE and
other more dedicated newsreaders and am finding the web
newsreader more difficult to use and correspondence with
individuals over time is becoming equally difficult. Your
efforts are appreciated.
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You're most welcome, Don and wish you the best of luck with whatever
interface that you end up preferring and using.
 
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