USB PCI card require OS drivers?

[henry]

Want my BIOS to recognize new usb 2.0 ports after adding a PCI usb 2.0
card under w98se.

newegg mentions installing drivers for some of these pci 2.0 cards.
Are these pci usb 2.0 cards dependent on OS drivers under w98se? IOW, if
I add such a card will boot mgrs. like BING (which work through bios) be
able to detect external usb 2.0 drives?

Checked the bios upgrade at the mb site, which upgrades for big hard
drives, but no mention of usb 2.0 support?

 

[Rod Speed]

Want my BIOS to recognize new usb 2.0 ports
after adding a PCI usb 2.0 card under w98se.

newegg mentions installing drivers for some of these pci 2.0 cards.
Are these pci usb 2.0 cards dependent on OS drivers under w98se?
IOW, if I add such a card will boot mgrs. like BING (which work
through bios) be able to detect external usb 2.0 drives?

You need bios support for USB booting to get that capability.

Checked the bios upgrade at the mb site, which upgrades
for big hard drives, but no mention of usb 2.0 support?

You dont actually need USB2 support in the bios to be
able to boot a USB drive. The bios may or may not
be able to boot from a USB drive on an addon USB2
card, most likely not.

 

[Jonny]

Want my BIOS to recognize new usb 2.0 ports after adding a PCI usb 2.0
card under w98se.

newegg mentions installing drivers for some of these pci 2.0 cards.
Are these pci usb 2.0 cards dependent on OS drivers under w98se? IOW, if
I add such a card will boot mgrs. like BING (which work through bios) be
able to detect external usb 2.0 drives?

Checked the bios upgrade at the mb site, which upgrades for big hard
drives, but no mention of usb 2.0 support?

Your onboard bios will never see the PCI card's USB ports.

Windows 98SE has no native support for USB 2.0.

The operating system and bios are 2 different entities. The former
dependent on the latter in this case, not vice versa as you asked about.

I do not use BING. BING does not work through the bios.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Your onboard bios will never see the PCI card's USB ports.

Nope. It will see it through the cards BIOS if both support BBS.

Windows 98SE has no native support for USB 2.0.

The operating system and bios are 2 different entities.

The former dependent on the latter in this case,
Nope.

not vice versa as you asked about.

He did?

I do not use BING.

BING does not work through the bios.

No?

 

[henrykadiddlhopper]

Thanks to all for the good replies from Johnny, Rod and Folkert; sorry
for my late comeback, my net connection is tenuous temporarily.

The Bios I have now has an option for booting with USB, BUT it says
enable boot from USB FDD which I take to mean??-booting from floppy
drive connected to Bios 1.0 port? I tried enabling this and also legacy
bios support for FDD but neither allowed BING to see the bios pen drive
I have,which may be a factor of the drive, since it runs under win98SE
drivers ok. Also when I enabled legacy support for USB FDD, win98SE
would not shut down properly and would hang.

Bing (bootitng) according to the it's authors works through the bios. If
the bios recognizes the usb 2.0 port, so will bing.

So, Folkert, what is BBS? and do they make a USB PCI upgrade card that
will allow BING to recognize the a USB external drive as well as boot
from it? Or am I just pissing in the wind again?

 

[henrykadiddlhopper]

You need bios support for USB booting to get that capability.

Thanks for your reply, Rod.
Please also reference reply to Folkert. Bios has option to enable usb
boot FDD, which I am guessing to mean booting from usb port with floppy
drive connected to USB? In any case enabling this and legacy usb support
for FDD does not allow drive to be recognized by BING. Enabling legacy
usb support also causes win98SE to hang on shutdown. Can't remember if I
tried this with the usb pen drive connected or not (it works under
drivers for win98se, so probably is not a valid test anyways), but I do
know that BING cannot see the usb device with either or both of these
options enabled in bios. Bing I believe requires usb 2.0 so I need a
controller card that will either have it's own bios or will enable (in
some way) BING to see external usb drives. Do you know if such a card
exists?

I have the MB bios flash upgrade for larger hard drives, but there is no
mention that it upgrades to bios 2.0.

 

[henrykadiddlhopper]

Your onboard bios will never see the PCI card's USB ports.

That is why I am seeking an add on card or bios upgrade for this.

Windows 98SE has no native support for USB 2.0.

I am more interested in having BING see the drive so I can use it's
partition work.

The operating system and bios are 2 different entities. The former
dependent on the latter in this case, not vice versa as you asked about.

I do not use BING. BING does not work through the bios.

According to it's authors it does.

 

[Rod Speed]

Thanks for your reply, Rod.
Please also reference reply to Folkert. Bios has option
to enable usb boot FDD, which I am guessing to mean
booting from usb port with floppy drive connected to USB?

Yes, but USB floppy boot support isnt the
same thing as USB hard drive boot support.

In any case enabling this and legacy usb support for
FDD does not allow drive to be recognized by BING.

Fraid I dont know anything about BING
except what it claims to be able to do.

Enabling legacy usb support also causes win98SE to hang on
shutdown. Can't remember if I tried this with the usb pen drive
connected or not (it works under drivers for win98se, so probably
is not a valid test anyways), but I do know that BING cannot see
the usb device with either or both of these options enabled in bios.
Bing I believe requires usb 2.0 so I need a controller card that will
either have it's own bios or will enable (in some way) BING to
see external usb drives. Do you know if such a card exists?

No, but then I havent looked more than superficially either.

I dont bother with addons for USB2 support myself much at all
and when I do, its for very basic USB support, not booting off it.

I have the MB bios flash upgrade for larger hard drives,
but there is no mention that it upgrades to bios 2.0.

Yeah, it isnt usually added later. If you add a USB card,
it gets to look after it itself and is mostly ignored by the bios.

In theory what you want to do might be possible with a biosed
USB2 card, but I havent even noticed if any of those are available.

 

[Folkert Rienstra]

Thanks to all for the good replies from Johnny, Rod and Folkert;
sorry for my late comeback, my net connection is tenuous temporarily.

The Bios I have now has an option for booting with USB,

Usually only for the USB that's incorporated in the MoBo.
(But with OHCI compliant cards there may be exceptions).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OHCI

BUT it says enable boot from USB FDD which

I take to mean??-booting from floppy drive connected to Bios 1.0 port?

Any USB port incorporated on the MoBo unless MoBo docs say different.

I tried enabling this and also legacy bios support for FDD but neither
allowed BING to see the bios pen drive I have, which may be a factor
of the drive, since it runs under win98SE drivers ok.

Like being formatted as a FDD maybe?
It may even require that it actually reports as an USB FDD.

Also when I enabled legacy support for USB FDD,
win98SE would not shut down properly and would hang.

Bing (bootitng) according to the it's authors works through the bios.
If the bios recognizes the usb 2.0 port, so will bing.

I don't think BING recognizes the usb ports.
It recognizes bootable devices. It's the BIOS's task to present them.

So, Folkert, what is BBS?
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...:en&q=bbs+specification+bios+boot&btnG=Search

and do they make a USB PCI upgrade card that will allow BING
to recognize a USB external drive as well as boot from it?

I have no idea. Never needed one.

Or am I just pissing in the wind again?


[snip]

Usually a MoBo BIOS is only covering devices that are incorporated
on the MoBo itself.
But with OHCI compliant USB cards it may be different, depending on
how the MoBo bios detects the USB ports.