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The following site

www.icdl.ca the french characters are not displayed correctly on IE with
Netscape it works fine
IE uses Unicode without looking at the meta tags on the page
Is there a work around for this problem ??
 
Hi Raja :-)

Not sure this will work for you, but, you might try the following:

Make sure that Auto-select at the top of the Encoding box in View is not
checked

Then go to IE>Tools>Internet Options>General>Accessibility
Make sure none of the boxes there are checked if not needed.

Then go to the Languages tab and make sure that the language you want is in
the list, and at the top of the list. If it's not there, install it. If
it's nto at the top, move it to the top of the list, thenclick OK and close
IE.

Hope this helps :-)

Jan :)
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that's why they're so contagious.

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Raja said:
The following site

www.icdl.ca the french characters are not displayed correctly on IE with
Netscape it works fine
IE uses Unicode without looking at the meta tags on the page
Is there a work around for this problem ??
Click to expand...

Perhaps it is something unique to your machine?
FWIW I can see "french characters" on the above home page.
Can you be more specific about what it is that you are *not* seeing
but think you should be seeing?

Also, of course, you should disclose details about your machine
in case somebody else who has an identical system gets the same
specific symptom (or something similar.)


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Hi Jan

I have done everything you have mentioned and still not working
clearing cache was one thing I have tried as well but is not working
when I go to this proxy server I can see it work
http://proxy.guardster.com/cgi-bin/free.pl

So I guess its getting cached on my machine somewhere but where ?? Where
does IE cache this stuff
Just to respond to all I am running Win XP Pro SP1 and IE 6 SP1
 
Try running SP2.

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Best wishes,
Ira
: Hi Jan
:
: I have done everything you have mentioned and still not working
: clearing cache was one thing I have tried as well but is not working
: when I go to this proxy server I can see it work
: http://proxy.guardster.com/cgi-bin/free.pl
:
: So I guess its getting cached on my machine somewhere but where ?? Where
: does IE cache this stuff
: Just to respond to all I am running Win XP Pro SP1 and IE 6 SP1
:
:
: "Jan Il" wrote:
:
: > Hi Raja :-)
: >
: > Not sure this will work for you, but, you might try the following:
: >
: > Make sure that Auto-select at the top of the Encoding box in View is not
: > checked
: >
: > Then go to IE>Tools>Internet Options>General>Accessibility
: > Make sure none of the boxes there are checked if not needed.
: >
: > Then go to the Languages tab and make sure that the language you want is
in
: > the list, and at the top of the list. If it's not there, install it.
If
: > it's nto at the top, move it to the top of the list, thenclick OK and
close
: > IE.
: >
: > Hope this helps :-)
: >
: > Jan :)
: > Smiles are meant to be shared,
: > that's why they're so contagious.
: >
: > Replies are posted only to the newsgroup for the benefit or other
readers.
: > How to make a good newsgroup post:
: > http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
: >
: >
: >
: >
: >
: > > The following site
: > >
: > > www.icdl.ca the french characters are not displayed correctly on IE
with
: > > Netscape it works fine
: > > IE uses Unicode without looking at the meta tags on the page
: > > Is there a work around for this problem ??
: >
: >
: >
 
Hi Robert :-)

Robert Aldwinckle said:
Perhaps it is something unique to your machine?
FWIW I can see "french characters" on the above home page.
Can you be more specific about what it is that you are *not* seeing
but think you should be seeing?

Also, of course, you should disclose details about your machine
in case somebody else who has an identical system gets the same
specific symptom (or something similar.)
Click to expand...

The site referenced by the OP does not have:

<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />

Could this perhaps cause of their problem?

Jan :)
Smiles are meant to be shared,
that's why they're so contagious.
 
....
The site referenced by the OP does not have:

<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />

Could this perhaps cause of their problem?
Click to expand...


Good point! That's one of the factors that I have noticed when people
have reported related problems, yes. I think his Language settings
could be significant also, particularly if without that directive it affects
the default characterset that gets chosen (my conjecture).

Hmm... I had to trace it again just to make sure that a *real* HTTP
charset directive wasn't being given and found this happening:

GET http://www.icdlcanada.com/style.css HTTP/1.1

HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Temporarily
....
Location: http://www.icdl.ca/style.css

GET http://www.icdl.ca/style.css HTTP/1.1

HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found

The significance of this for Raja could be (e.g.):
if that is a recent change but he had been visiting
the site earlier enough previously that his IE had cached
that stylesheet it might be being used and contributing
to his (unspecified) symptoms. Etc.

To avoid that possibility he should try pressing Ctrl-F5.


Robert
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Robert Aldwinckle said:
...



Good point! That's one of the factors that I have noticed when people
have reported related problems, yes. I think his Language settings
could be significant also, particularly if without that directive it
affects
the default characterset that gets chosen (my conjecture).

Hmm... I had to trace it again just to make sure that a *real* HTTP
charset directive wasn't being given and found this happening:

GET http://www.icdlcanada.com/style.css HTTP/1.1

HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Temporarily
...
Location: http://www.icdl.ca/style.css

GET http://www.icdl.ca/style.css HTTP/1.1

HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found

The significance of this for Raja could be (e.g.):
if that is a recent change but he had been visiting
the site earlier enough previously that his IE had cached
that stylesheet it might be being used and contributing
to his (unspecified) symptoms. Etc.

To avoid that possibility he should try pressing Ctrl-F5.
Click to expand...

Ahh! Yes....so I see. All clever stuff ain't it. Heh...think I'll stick
with VBA. <bg>
It will be interesting to see how this will sort out.

Thank you for the additional information, I really appreciate it.

Jan :)
Smiles are meant to be shared,
that's why they're so contagious.
 
HI Robert

Robert Aldwinckle said:
....



Good point! That's one of the factors that I have noticed when people
have reported related problems, yes. I think his Language settings
could be significant also, particularly if without that directive it affects
the default characterset that gets chosen (my conjecture).

Hmm... I had to trace it again just to make sure that a *real* HTTP
charset directive wasn't being given and found this happening:

GET http://www.icdlcanada.com/style.css HTTP/1.1

HTTP/1.1 302 Moved Temporarily
....
Location: http://www.icdl.ca/style.css

GET http://www.icdl.ca/style.css HTTP/1.1

HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
Click to expand...

The sytle.css referred above is being requested by the web server? is that
correct ?
I have also tried ctrl + F5 and did not work
I have tested this on machines with windows XP Pro SP2 and IE 6 SP1 same
results
How would go about removing the style sheet that is being cached?
Thanks
 
Hi Raja :-)
The sytle.css referred above is being requested by the web server? is that
correct ?
I have also tried ctrl + F5 and did not work
I have tested this on machines with windows XP Pro SP2 and IE 6 SP1 same
results
How would go about removing the style sheet that is being cached?
Thanks
Click to expand...

FWIW.......I have XP Pro SP2, fully patched, and all is working properly. I
can view this site www.icdl.ca clearly with no distortions of any kind,
either in the French language text orEnglish, images are also very clear.
All looks very nice. :-)

Hope this helps :-)

Jan :)
Smiles are meant to be shared,
that's why they're so contagious.
 
Raja said:
HI Robert

: ....

The sytle.css referred above is being requested by the web server? is that
correct ?
Click to expand...

I think that it is due to this pair of lines in the HTML source:

(I'm taking this from my trace rather than recreate the page.)

<base href="http://www.icdlcanada.com/">
<link href="style.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">

Hey! Just above that look what I found:

<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">

Is that in the View Source too?... (Yes. Oops.) Is that what View Encoding
is getting set to due to Auto-Select? (I'm getting Western European (Windows).
Apparently they are equivalent.) So I think the stylesheet anomaly
is a red herring. The page obviously provides self-contained
French character support that is *not* Unicode.

I have also tried ctrl + F5 and did not work
Click to expand...

As long as you are seeing the above source directive
I suspect now that your problem is going to be something
to do with your Fonts.

See if changing your default fonts to the ones that I use helps:
(in IE: Alt-T,O,Alt-n)
Web Page Font: Comic Sans MS
Plain Text Font: Lucida Console

I like using those because they make it clearer when an author's
font is not being used. I just checked with CharMap and can't
tell how we would know which of their charactersets would be
matching the windows-1252 specification. None of the ones
listed are called Western European (Windows) (i.e. what
Auto-Select is calling it.)


HTH

Robert
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Hi

well i have gotten rid of the styles.css file now
but its the characters in the page i suppose is causing the problem?
since none of them are character mapped for western eruopean?
 
....
Hi

well i have gotten rid of the styles.css file now
but its the characters in the page i suppose is causing the problem?
since none of them are character mapped for western eruopean?
Click to expand...

Did you try using my combination of default fonts?

BTW you still haven't given us a *specific* example of text where
you see a problem. If it is not text where I see Comic Sans MS
then the problem would still probably be about fonts but would have
to have another explanation. I am still looking for better ways to
diagnose such problems. I imagine though that you could find more
expertise concerning fonts and diagnosing problems with them in
newsgroups which specialize in authoring or web design rather than here.


Good luck

Robert
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