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===> You're rather an enigma, aren't you? Here you're
almost insulting, and also in a couple of other places,
but in the overall it doesn't appear to be your intent
to name-call or be rude. Since you could easily think
the same of me I suppose, it's attributable to a
difference in cultures for the moment. Best to never
dwell on emotions anyway said:
Please explain why OpenOffice is poor for advanced
users. When I follow
the discussions on Gmane (like
I
don't get that impression.
===> I believe you, and I also had the same experience.
That's one of the reasons I decided to try OO, as a
matter of fact.
If you think I don't support OO, you are wrong. It's
a great suite of apps and does a formidable job of
succeeding for the most part. In fact, I still follow
the project, and even offer a penny's thought here and
there, though now it's less than I used to do.
I'm not asking this because I disagree (or agree)
with you. I'm just
asking this because OOo /needs/ user feedback to get
better. Only if
advanced users point out the weak spots something can
be done about it.
===> I agree, but 1., this is not the forum for it, and
2., I have already done so at the forums for a few of
my major concerns. Many others were already talked
about, so the most I could do there was offer a
"confirm" if I had a detail or two to add.
At this point I'd be a poor reference since my use
of OO and/or its components is now rather "specialized"
so my memories aren't going to be terribly accurate
without either going thru my past communications about
it, or better yet, going thru the issues manually, one
at a time. For me, that is not productive and also I
don't think this is the forum for that.
IMO, instead of asking people to be specific here,
you should be encouraging them to post their
issues/concerns at a particular address rather than
writing a long mail about it on a point by point basis.
Also realize of course, that you're going to get a fair
amount of blathering should you do that because non-OO
lovers are also going to respond.
I disagree on the cost argument. Money is an obsolete
argument if you
see that Microsoft is almost giving away software
with volume licenses
or student licenses or OEM licenses.
===>
1. No, it's not obsolete, nor even moot. It's also
not "given away" by MS: The software IS paid for in
the price of the machines. Else you wouldn't have
machines with less supplied applicaitons selling for
less cost than the pre-installed machines. Anyplace
that allows you to customize your purchase adds or
subtracts from the bottom line on the receipt based on
the software and hardware you've chosen. The fact that
default items are shown as $0.00 dollars simply means
it's included in the cost of the machine.
2. Especially in the case of an upgrade, it's still
pretty expensive where OO is only the cost of the
download time.
What issues hinder you from it becoming "YOUR" prime
time? ===> See my references above.
It's not free(gratis) but more important it's not
Free(libre) and even
more important it's not Open - I mean not only the
software but also
the file format.
===> I'm sorry, but in my world it IS free. I paid
nothing for it. I used my internet connection, but
that minimal cost is overhead and would have been paid
had I downloaded OO or not. So the OO was free.
If you'll look at
http://www.openoffice.org/ you'll
see that it is indeed not only a no-charge item, but
also that is is open sourced. It's open source to
ANYONE that wants it, and it's easy to become part of
their project if you wish to.
Here in Europe I see a lot of movement towards open
file formats becoming mandatory by law. For example
the Belgian
Department of Justice starts using open file formats
because legal
documents made today should be readable in a few
years without
acrobatics (I don't mean Adobe). I don't see a lot of
interesting
reaction from Redmont...
===> I've no idea what you're getting at there.
Nothing seems relevant to the subject at hand.
===> If you look again, you'll note the quotes I used:
Or is that a language problem between our cultures? I
said the same thing you seem to want to explain.
that's how you learned to use Word. You forgot
the initial problems you had when you switched from
WordStar to
WordPerfect, or from WP DOS to WP Win, or from WP to
MS Word,...
===> Ahhh, Wordstar: I recently had the "fun" of
getting some old WS files off my long ago forgotten and
archived floppies and re-rendering them to something
useful. But the floppy recovery/refreshing turned out
to be the easy part - surprisingly, I found a large
Wordstar community still existing out there! I still
think they had the right idea with their key triangles.
It's a good thing you don't have to.
===> No, not really. OO just makes it more convenient
by having the "other" things I need easily accessible
in one wrapper as opposed to a few different apps from
different places. Which is what I had prior to OO.
Neither MS Word nor OpenWrite are web authoring
tools. You can't expect
a program that does something "on the side" to excel
(no pun intended)
in that feature.
FWIW, you found the better tool with nvu.
===> Definitely NVU is good. But I did very well with
the combo of word97, FP and some HTML knowledge for a
long time. WD97 was in fact a decent web authoring
tool and wrote decent html code. At the time I used
it, it was a valid, useful tool. Once I learned enough
HTML I was able to graduate to NoteTAB, then PSPAD, and
finally N|VU. N|VU still has a long way
