Upgrade to Vista

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Two main differences.

1) Support

If you buy the retail version you get support from Microsoft, if you buy the
OEM version you dont.

2) Flexibility

If you install the OEM version on a PC it can NEVER be moved to another PC,
even if that one is destroyed in a fire or stolen or whatever.

You CAN put the Retail version on another machine ONLY if you delete it from
the first machine. It cannot be on two PCs at the same time.


Note if you buy an UPGRADE version you can only install it if the PC already
has a copy of Windows on it. You cannot install the upgrade version on an
empty hard disk.

So if you bought an upgrade Vista, and your original Windows was XP, and you
had an empty hard disk, you would need to install XP first, so you could run
the Vista upgrade program.
 
Hi,

I am confused over the different editions of Vista. OEM vs Retail

Can I just buy a OEM copy such as the one found here
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SW-036-MS&tool=3

Will it work?

Whats the difference between OEM and Retail other than the price?

1. An OEM version cannot do an upgrade.
2. An OEM version is tied to the first computer on which it's installed.
That computer can be upgraded but the OS can never be moved to another
system. If the system dies, get's stolen, etc, the license goes with it.
3. You are responsible for your own support. No support from MS.
4. OEM versions only come with the one DVD for the version you buy - x86 or
x64. The Ultimate retail versions come with both DVDs, the others come only
with one but you can send for the other. The retail product key will
install either one so if you first install x86 and then want to go to x64
you can do so.
 
What is "OEM"? (and what the letters stand for?)

Rock said:
1. An OEM version cannot do an upgrade.
2. An OEM version is tied to the first computer on which it's installed.
That computer can be upgraded but the OS can never be moved to another
system. If the system dies, get's stolen, etc, the license goes with it.
3. You are responsible for your own support. No support from MS.
4. OEM versions only come with the one DVD for the version you buy - x86
or x64. The Ultimate retail versions come with both DVDs, the others come
only with one but you can send for the other. The retail product key will
install either one so if you first install x86 and then want to go to x64
you can do so.
 
Get Vista upgrade, never pay full price

By Brian Livingston

Many people are upset by the fact that the economical, "upgrade" version of
Vista won't accept a Windows XP or Windows 2000 CD-ROM as proof of ownership.
Vista Upgrade is said to install only to a hard disk that already has XP or
2000 already on it.

But I've tested a method that allows you to clean-install the Vista upgrade
version on any hard drive, with no prior XP or W2K installation — or even a CD
— required.


Save by avoiding the 'full' version

Windows Vista, in my opinion, is a big improvement over Windows XP in many
ways. But the new operating system is distinctly overpriced.

The list price of the "full" (not "upgrade") version of the most expensive
edition, Vista Ultimate, is $399.95 USD, with a street price around $380. That
gold-plated retail figure is only possible because Microsoft long ago achieved
monopoly pricing power in the PC operating system market.

Most computer users would prefer to keep using an older version of Windows,
such as XP, rather than paying the inflated prices for the "full" version of
Vista. To encourage switching to a new OS, Microsoft has historically offered a
lower, "upgrade" price to people who can prove that they've previously
purchased an older copy of Windows.

The difference between Vista's full and upgrade prices can be substantial.
Based on the asking prices shown at Shopping.com on Jan. 31 — the day after the
consumer version of Vista became available — the four most popular Vista
versions will set you back approximately as follows:

Edition Full version Upgrade version
Vista Home Basic $192 $100 ($92 less)
Vista Home Premium $228 $156 ($72 less)
Vista Business $285 $192 ($93 less)
Vista Ultimate $380 $225 ($155 less)

The upgrade versions of Vista have street prices that are 32% to 48% cheaper
than the full versions. If you're truly installing Vista over an old instance
of XP or W2K, the upgrade version of Vista will find the older OS on your hard
drive and install without question. The problem is that Vista, unlike every
version of Windows in the past, doesn't let you insert a physical disc from an
older operating system as evidence of your previous purchase.

Vista has an undocumented feature, however, that actually allows you to "clean
install" Vista to a hard disk that has no prior copy of XP or W2K.

Use Vista's 'upgrade' version to clean-install

The secret is that the setup program in Vista's upgrade version will accept an
installed copy of XP, W2K, or an unactivated copy of Vista itself as evidence
of a previous installation.

This enables you to "clean install" an upgrade version of Vista to any
formatted or unformatted hard drive, which is usually the preferred method when
installing any new operating system. You must, in essence, install Vista twice
to take advantage of this trick. But Vista installs much faster than XP, so
it's quicker than installing XP followed by Vista to get the upgrade price.

Before you install Vista on a machine that you don't know is 100% compatible,
you should run Microsoft's free Upgrade Advisor. This program — which operates
only on 32-bit versions of XP and Vista (plus Vista Enterprise) — reports to
you on any hardware or software it finds that may be incompatible with Vista.
See Microsoft's Upgrade Advisor page.

Also, to see which flavors of XP Home, XP Pro, and 2000 officially support
in-place installs and clean installs of the different Vista editions, see
Microsoft's upgrade paths page.

Here's a simplified overview of the steps that are required to clean-install
the upgrade version of Vista:

Step 1. Boot the PC from the Vista DVD.

Step 2. Select "Install Now," but do not enter the Product Key from the Vista
packaging. Leave the input box blank. Also, turn off the option Automatically
activate Windows when I'm online. In the next dialog box that appears, confirm
that you really do want to install Vista without entering a Product Key.

Step 3. Correctly indicate the version of Vista that you're installing: Home
Basic, Home Premium, Business, or Ultimate.

Step 4. Select the "Custom (Advanced)" install, not the "Upgrade" install.

Step 5. Vista copies files at length and reboots itself one or more times. Wait
for the install to complete. At this point, you might think that you could
"activate" Vista, but you can't. That's because you haven't installed the Vista
upgrade yet. To do that, run the DVD's setup.exe program again, but this time
from the Vista desktop. The easiest way to start setup again is to eject and
then reinsert the DVD.

Step 6. Click "Install Now." Select Do not get the latest updates for
installation. (You can check for these updates later.)

Step 7. This time, do enter the Product Key from the Vista packaging. Once
again, turn off the option Automatically activate Windows when I'm online.

Step 8. On this second install, make sure to select "Upgrade," not "Custom
(Advanced)." You're not doing a clean install now, you're upgrading to Vista.

Step 9. Wait while Vista copies files and reboots itself. No user interaction
is required. Do not boot from the DVD when asked if you'd like to do so.
Instead, wait a few seconds and the setup process will continue on its way.
Some DOS-like, character-mode menus will appear, but don't interact with them.
After a few seconds, the correct choice will run for you automatically.

Step 10. After you click a button labeled Start in the Thank You dialog box,
Vista's login screen will eventually appear. Enter the username and password
that you selected during the first install. You're done upgrading to Vista.

Step 11. Within 30 days, you must "activate" your copy of Vista or it'll lose
functionality. To activate Vista, click Show more details in the Welcome Center
that automatically displays upon each boot-up, then click Activate Windows now.
If you've dismissed the Welcome Center, access the correct dialog box by
clicking Start, Control Panel, System & Maintenance, System. If you purchased a
legitimate copy of Vista, it should quickly activate over the Internet. (You
can instead activate by calling Microsoft on the phone, which avoids your PC
exchanging information with Microsoft's server.)

I'm not going into detail today on the merits of buying Vista at retail instead
of buying a cheaper OEM copy. (The OEM offerings don't entitle you to call
Microsoft for support, while the retail packages do.) Also, I'm not touching
here on the least-expensive way to buy Vista, which is to take advantage of
Microsoft's "educational" rate. I'll describe both of these topics in next
week's newsletter.

Why does Vista's secret setup exist?

It's reasonable for us to ask ourselves whether buying an upgrade version of
Vista, and then installing it to an empty hard disk that contains no previous
version of Windows, is ethical.

I believe it is. Microsoft itself created the upgrade process. The company
designed Vista to support upgrading it over a previously installed copy of XP,
W2K Pro, or Vista itself. This isn't a black-hat hacker exploit. It's something
that's been deliberately programmed into the approved setup routine.

Microsoft spent years developing and testing Vista. This upgrade trick must
have been known to many, many people within the development team. Either
Microsoft planned this upgrade path all along, knowing that computer magazines
and newsletters (like this one) would widely publicize a way to "save money
buying Vista." Or else some highly placed coders within the Vista development
team decided that Vista's "full" price was too high and that no one should ever
have to pay it. In either case, Vista's setup.exe is Microsoft's official
install routine, and I see no problem with using it exactly as it was designed.

We should also think about whether instances of Vista that were installed using
the clean-install method will continue to operate. I believe that this method
will continue to be present in Vista DVDs at least until Microsoft begins
distributing the Service Pack 1 edition of Vista around fall 2007. Changing the
routine in the millions of DVDs that are now in circulation would simply be too
wrenching. And trying to remotely disable instances of Vista that were
clean-installed — even if it were technically possible to distinguish them —
would generate too many tech-support calls and too much ill will to make it
worthwhile.

Installing the upgrade version of Vista, but not installing over an existing
instance of XP or W2K, probably violates the Vista EULA (end-user license
agreement). If you're a business executive, I wouldn't recommend that you flout
any Windows license provisions just to save money.

If you're strictly a home user, contributing editor Susan Bradley points out
that Microsoft's so-called Vista Family Discount (VFD) is an economical package
that avoids any license issues. If you buy a retail copy of Vista Ultimate, MS
lets you upgrade up to two additional PCs to Vista Home Premium for $50 each.
For example, if you buy the upgrade version of Ultimate for $225, the grand
total after you add two Home Premiums is $335. That's about $133 less than
buying three upgrade versions of Home Premium. Details are at Microsoft's VFD
page.

Microsoft did revise a Knowledge Base article, number 930985, on Jan. 31 that
obliquely refers to the upgrade situation. It simply states that an upgrade
version of Vista can't perform a clean install when a PC is booted from the
Vista DVD. A clean install will only work, the document says, when the Vista
setup is run from within an older version of Windows (or if a full version of
Vista is being used).

This article doesn't at all deal with the fact that the Vista upgrade version
will in fact clean-install using the steps described above. It'll be
interesting to see whether MS ever explains why these steps were programmed in.

Personally, I consider Vista's ability to upgrade over itself to be Digital
Rights Management that actually benefits consumers. It's almost cosmic justice.

I invite my readers to test Vista's undocumented clean-install method for
themselves. There certainly must be aspects of this setup routine that I
haven't yet discovered. I'll print the best findings from those sent in via our
contact page. You'll receive a gift certificate for a book, CD, or DVD of your
choice if you're the first to send in a tip that I print.

I'd like to thank my co-author of Windows Vista Secrets, Paul Thurrott, for his
research help in bringing the clean-install method to light.
 
Thank you Randy. That is very, very informative.

Randy said:
Get Vista upgrade, never pay full price

By Brian Livingston

Many people are upset by the fact that the economical, "upgrade" version
of
Vista won't accept a Windows XP or Windows 2000 CD-ROM as proof of
ownership.
Vista Upgrade is said to install only to a hard disk that already has XP
or
2000 already on it.

But I've tested a method that allows you to clean-install the Vista
upgrade
version on any hard drive, with no prior XP or W2K installation - or even
a CD
- required.


Save by avoiding the 'full' version

Windows Vista, in my opinion, is a big improvement over Windows XP in many
ways. But the new operating system is distinctly overpriced.
SNIPPED FOR SPACE
 
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