Upgrade Decision

[Chris Murfitt]

My question relates very much to the one previously posted by Scott. Is is
better to upgrade the processor first or the graphics card first? I
presently have an Athlon 2400+ and a Geforce Ti4200, 512 Corsair 3200 ram,
Asus A7N8X Deluxe Mobo on Windows XP Home. I am thinking of going to an
Athlon 3200+ and an All In Wonder 9800 Pro. I can't afford both, so right
now it's one or the other.

 

[ko123]

Neither. You're dumb. Sorry to say it, but it's true. Save up all your
money. If you really really want more performance right now, get a nice
thermaltake slk-900, you'll be able to OC past 3200+ levels, I've got a
2700+ and I reach 3200+ levels and I'm using the fan/heatsink that I got
with the processor. Read some reviews, seriously, go read, the 3200+ is very
slow in general, it's got more cache, which is nice, but it's not worth the
extra money. As for your vid card, it's still decent, will play most games.
The 9800 won't just be obsolete by next quarter, it'll be unusable on new
systems, AGP and PCI are going to leave us soon, we'll be using PCI Express,
all the new next gen graphics cards are going to use PCI Express. So save up
your money, and when the time comes, buy a new motherboard that supports PCI
Express, buy an Athlon 3200+ 64 bit, and buy the new r340 cards that will
come out.

 

[Darthy]

My question relates very much to the one previously posted by Scott. Is is
better to upgrade the processor first or the graphics card first? I
presently have an Athlon 2400+ and a Geforce Ti4200, 512 Corsair 3200 ram,
Asus A7N8X Deluxe Mobo on Windows XP Home. I am thinking of going to an
Athlon 3200+ and an All In Wonder 9800 Pro. I can't afford both, so right
now it's one or the other.

Save your money for a few months more for a real upgrade...

And get an AMD64 CPU and motherboard...

 

[ko123]

Do I hear an echo?

 

[Dark Avenger]

Neither. You're dumb. Sorry to say it, but it's true. Save up all your
money. If you really really want more performance right now, get a nice
thermaltake slk-900, you'll be able to OC past 3200+ levels, I've got a
2700+ and I reach 3200+ levels and I'm using the fan/heatsink that I got
with the processor. Read some reviews, seriously, go read, the 3200+ is very
slow in general, it's got more cache, which is nice, but it's not worth the
extra money. As for your vid card, it's still decent, will play most games.
The 9800 won't just be obsolete by next quarter, it'll be unusable on new
systems, AGP and PCI are going to leave us soon, we'll be using PCI Express,
all the new next gen graphics cards are going to use PCI Express. So save up
your money, and when the time comes, buy a new motherboard that supports PCI
Express, buy an Athlon 3200+ 64 bit, and buy the new r340 cards that will
come out.

AGP won't be "obsolete" within 3 months....it will take atleast..1-2
years for PCI express to replace the currently AGP owning gamers
market!

NV40 and R4x will be in AGP.....

That is sure!

 

[Sleepy]

new and upcoming games are very dependent on the graphics card so if you
want to spend get the 9800.
(btw - ignore anyone who cant reply to a simple question
without abusing you)

 

[Mangyrat]

your fine with the 2400+ right now get the video card. and more ram.
as for the 3200+ why not get the barton 2500+ and just clock it at 3200+?
damn near every barton 2500+ will clock at 3200+ with no real problems or
extream cooling
as long as you have ddr 400/3200 ram that will run at 200mhz it shuld be no
problem.

i run a barton 2500+ @3200+ with a biostar M7ncd pro and 1 gig of 3200ddr
ram and ati 9700pro and i have yet to find a game that slows it down.

 

[ko123]

All of the next gen cards are going to be PCI Express. Keep up on the
hardware news. AGP people won't upgrade for a long time though, but new
cards will be PCI Express.

 

[Andrew]

All of the next gen cards are going to be PCI Express. Keep up on the
hardware news. AGP people won't upgrade for a long time though, but new
cards will be PCI Express.

So all the card manufacturers are totally going to ignore the
installed userbase of millions of machines with AGP ports just so they
can cater for the elite early adopters? PCI Express will be like AGP
8X, just a load of hype that won't mean anything with regards real
world graphics performance.

 

[Darthy]

All of the next gen cards are going to be PCI Express. Keep up on the
hardware news. AGP people won't upgrade for a long time though, but new
cards will be PCI Express.

And will be AGP too...

 

[Darthy]

So all the card manufacturers are totally going to ignore the
installed userbase of millions of machines with AGP ports just so they
can cater for the elite early adopters? PCI Express will be like AGP
8X, just a load of hype that won't mean anything with regards real
world graphics performance.

`When AGP first appeared, it was still about 2 years before AGP cards
actually had a real advantage over the PCI... the FIRST advantage of
AGP was to not waste the PCI slots.

 

[Dark Avenger]

So all the card manufacturers are totally going to ignore the
installed userbase of millions of machines with AGP ports just so they
can cater for the elite early adopters? PCI Express will be like AGP
8X, just a load of hype that won't mean anything with regards real
world graphics performance.

With the current cards... well they might use 3x AGP orso from the
bus...8x is indeed a marketing hype. Once it's in the memory of the
videocard there is not much contact needed anymore anyway!

 

[ko123]

Darthy, obviously you're a fool who doesn't keep up on hardware news. But
I'll let you in on a little known fact, AGP cards will become today's PCI
graphics cards, the low end cards, the crappy ones that are just a lower end
version of last generation's high to mid range cards. But this guy wants to
get the best card possible. So shut up. Or, prove me wrong. Either is
response is welcome.

 

[Mangyrat]

if we all wait for the new next killer hard ware we would never get
anything.

 

[Darthy]

Darthy, obviously you're a fool who doesn't keep up on hardware news. But
I'll let you in on a little known fact, AGP cards will become today's PCI
graphics cards, the low end cards, the crappy ones that are just a lower end
version of last generation's high to mid range cards.

WTF are you talking about, I've known about PCI express for over a
year. AGP will not become "PCI" cards... for that, the "cheap"
computers in the near future would have to have AGP slots.

PCI video cards will out-last AGP video cards on the market place.

Look at the current state of cards, Slow low-end cards have a longer
shelf life than high performance ones. Why? The people who buy the
best always buy the best/fastest on the market. a 10% performance
loss can make or break a sale. The low-end gamers will buy whatever
is under $100. Hence, Ti4x00 video cards and ATI 9500~9700 are very
rare... yet its not hard to find MX400s and GF4mx and ATI 7000~9000s
all over the place.

Hardcore people will adapt to PCI-EX faster than anyone else. AGP
will die out in 1-2 years. but there will be a long time when people
with their POS P4 systems still want a slight upgrade of their PCI
only sloted systems.

But this guy wants to
get the best card possible. So shut up. Or, prove me wrong. Either is
response is welcome.

You're the moron who posted that the next gen PCI cards will be
PCI-EXpress... Like no shit? And is bullshit that they won't have
AGP Versions as you think.... since they will have AGP versions.

Okay, tell this "guy" where to buy a PCI-Express video card, today.

You're wrong... eat an old SIS chip.