Update Size 1.14.1464.7 250kb !!!

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Did anybody else notice how small the latest update is?

Usually its been between 1.7 and 2.7 MB depending on weither there was an
engine update included.

The latest one, 1.14.1464.7, seems to be about 250kb !!!

Perhaps the latest engine upgrade now uses incremental updates for
definitions?
I update thru Windows Update notifications (i.e. "tell me when there are
updates and let me choose if and when to install").

The update took less than 2 minutes on my modem.
WoW!!

?:-)
Tim
Geek w/o Portfolio

Dell 280 Optiplex
XP SP2 fully patched
1 Gig Ram, 3.2Ghz
WD Manual Updates
Real Time Protection On
WD SysRest CP Disabled
 
I doubt very much that the current version uses an incremental update.
For downloads, I would have thought that it makes sense to have the full
version (for auto-updates, an incremental is more appropriate) so that
people who missed the last time should get up-to-date by downloading the
latest version.

The reason it is small is because MS wanted everybody to think that they
are doing something to make this beta version work properly. They have
to keep loyal supporters happy!!

I thought I give my two cents worth here!!
 
This last engine and definition update included delta updates. This means
that you will only download the changes to the definition updates. We do
have logic built in which will download the full version if any failures are
detected. That way if you need the whole definition set, you will get it.

--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
Windows Defender Beta Lead
MCSE, CISSP
http://blogs.technet.com/stevedod
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Hi Steve,

Just help me to understand a little better please.
Delta updates = changes to the definition updates = incremental update of
the definitions ???
or am I missing something here. I'm thinking changes to the definitions are
updates. Does this make sense? Thanks in advance.

?:-)
Tim
Geek w/o Portfolio

Dell 280 Optiplex
3.2Ghz Pent 4, 1 GB Ram
Windows XP SP2 fully patched
WD Real Time Protection is On
WD SysRest CheckPoint Disabled
WD Updates thru Windows Update (prompted)
==============================

Steve Dodson said:
This last engine and definition update included delta updates. This means
that you will only download the changes to the definition updates. We do
have logic built in which will download the full version if any failures are
detected. That way if you need the whole definition set, you will get it.

--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
Windows Defender Beta Lead
MCSE, CISSP
http://blogs.technet.com/stevedod
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ANONYMOUS said:
I doubt very much that the current version uses an incremental update.
For downloads, I would have thought that it makes sense to have the full
version (for auto-updates, an incremental is more appropriate) so that
people who missed the last time should get up-to-date by downloading the
latest version.

The reason it is small is because MS wanted everybody to think that they
are doing something to make this beta version work properly. They have
to keep loyal supporters happy!!

I thought I give my two cents worth here!!
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Correct, delta updating is taking what you have versus what you need and
only downloading what you need.

--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
Windows Defender Beta Lead
MCSE, CISSP
http://blogs.technet.com/stevedod
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Tim Clark said:
Hi Steve,

Just help me to understand a little better please.
Delta updates = changes to the definition updates = incremental update of
the definitions ???
or am I missing something here. I'm thinking changes to the definitions
are
updates. Does this make sense? Thanks in advance.

?:-)
Tim
Geek w/o Portfolio

Dell 280 Optiplex
3.2Ghz Pent 4, 1 GB Ram
Windows XP SP2 fully patched
WD Real Time Protection is On
WD SysRest CheckPoint Disabled
WD Updates thru Windows Update (prompted)
==============================

Steve Dodson said:
This last engine and definition update included delta updates. This means
that you will only download the changes to the definition updates. We do
have logic built in which will download the full version if any failures
are
detected. That way if you need the whole definition set, you will get it.

--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
Windows Defender Beta Lead
MCSE, CISSP
http://blogs.technet.com/stevedod
--

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ANONYMOUS said:
I doubt very much that the current version uses an incremental update.
For downloads, I would have thought that it makes sense to have the
full
version (for auto-updates, an incremental is more appropriate) so that
people who missed the last time should get up-to-date by downloading
the
latest version.

The reason it is small is because MS wanted everybody to think that
they
are doing something to make this beta version work properly. They have
to keep loyal supporters happy!!

I thought I give my two cents worth here!!



Tim Clark wrote:

Did anybody else notice how small the latest update is?

Usually its been between 1.7 and 2.7 MB depending on weither there was
an
engine update included.

The latest one, 1.14.1464.7, seems to be about 250kb !!!

Perhaps the latest engine upgrade now uses incremental updates for
definitions?
I update thru Windows Update notifications (i.e. "tell me when there
are
updates and let me choose if and when to install").

The update took less than 2 minutes on my modem.
WoW!!

?:-)
Tim
Geek w/o Portfolio

Dell 280 Optiplex
XP SP2 fully patched
1 Gig Ram, 3.2Ghz
WD Manual Updates
Real Time Protection On
WD SysRest CP Disabled
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<not Steve>
Smaller file sizes for the definition updates, because only the delta
changes over the in-place version are included.

Previous to this, with Defender, new definition files have been complete,
and rather large, in dialup terms.

--

Tim Clark said:
Hi Steve,

Just help me to understand a little better please.
Delta updates = changes to the definition updates = incremental update of
the definitions ???
or am I missing something here. I'm thinking changes to the definitions
are
updates. Does this make sense? Thanks in advance.

?:-)
Tim
Geek w/o Portfolio

Dell 280 Optiplex
3.2Ghz Pent 4, 1 GB Ram
Windows XP SP2 fully patched
WD Real Time Protection is On
WD SysRest CheckPoint Disabled
WD Updates thru Windows Update (prompted)
==============================

Steve Dodson said:
This last engine and definition update included delta updates. This means
that you will only download the changes to the definition updates. We do
have logic built in which will download the full version if any failures
are
detected. That way if you need the whole definition set, you will get it.

--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
Windows Defender Beta Lead
MCSE, CISSP
http://blogs.technet.com/stevedod
--

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rights.
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ANONYMOUS said:
I doubt very much that the current version uses an incremental update.
For downloads, I would have thought that it makes sense to have the
full
version (for auto-updates, an incremental is more appropriate) so that
people who missed the last time should get up-to-date by downloading
the
latest version.

The reason it is small is because MS wanted everybody to think that
they
are doing something to make this beta version work properly. They have
to keep loyal supporters happy!!

I thought I give my two cents worth here!!



Tim Clark wrote:

Did anybody else notice how small the latest update is?

Usually its been between 1.7 and 2.7 MB depending on weither there was
an
engine update included.

The latest one, 1.14.1464.7, seems to be about 250kb !!!

Perhaps the latest engine upgrade now uses incremental updates for
definitions?
I update thru Windows Update notifications (i.e. "tell me when there
are
updates and let me choose if and when to install").

The update took less than 2 minutes on my modem.
WoW!!

?:-)
Tim
Geek w/o Portfolio

Dell 280 Optiplex
XP SP2 fully patched
1 Gig Ram, 3.2Ghz
WD Manual Updates
Real Time Protection On
WD SysRest CP Disabled
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Is there any facility for people to download the full version which they
can save to a USB and take home for updates to home computers?

The home computer may not be online regularly; The only time the home
computer is online is when someone is downloading emails etc using a
very slow dial up with limited usage allowed by the ISP.

In UK even some braodband subscriptions have limited downloads allowed
(e.g 1 gb per month) and so users may like to use university computers
to download patches for home use.

Best regards,


Steve Dodson said:
This last engine and definition update included delta updates. This means
that you will only download the changes to the definition updates. We do
have logic built in which will download the full version if any failures are
detected. That way if you need the whole definition set, you will get it.

--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
Windows Defender Beta Lead
MCSE, CISSP
http://blogs.technet.com/stevedod
--

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ANONYMOUS said:
I doubt very much that the current version uses an incremental update.
For downloads, I would have thought that it makes sense to have the full
version (for auto-updates, an incremental is more appropriate) so that
people who missed the last time should get up-to-date by downloading the
latest version.

The reason it is small is because MS wanted everybody to think that they
are doing something to make this beta version work properly. They have
to keep loyal supporters happy!!

I thought I give my two cents worth here!!
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I doubt this will be provided directly.

Some enterprising person could probably provide this by doing a clean
install of Defender when new defs are available, and grabbing the URL for
the update to that clean install from %windir%\windowsupdate.log

Maybe there's something simpler, but I think that would be possible.

--

ANONYMOUS said:
Is there any facility for people to download the full version which they
can save to a USB and take home for updates to home computers?

The home computer may not be online regularly; The only time the home
computer is online is when someone is downloading emails etc using a
very slow dial up with limited usage allowed by the ISP.

In UK even some braodband subscriptions have limited downloads allowed
(e.g 1 gb per month) and so users may like to use university computers
to download patches for home use.

Best regards,


Steve Dodson said:
This last engine and definition update included delta updates. This means
that you will only download the changes to the definition updates. We do
have logic built in which will download the full version if any failures
are
detected. That way if you need the whole definition set, you will get it.

--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
Windows Defender Beta Lead
MCSE, CISSP
http://blogs.technet.com/stevedod
--

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rights.
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ANONYMOUS said:
I doubt very much that the current version uses an incremental update.
For downloads, I would have thought that it makes sense to have the
full
version (for auto-updates, an incremental is more appropriate) so that
people who missed the last time should get up-to-date by downloading
the
latest version.

The reason it is small is because MS wanted everybody to think that
they
are doing something to make this beta version work properly. They have
to keep loyal supporters happy!!

I thought I give my two cents worth here!!



Tim Clark wrote:

Did anybody else notice how small the latest update is?

Usually its been between 1.7 and 2.7 MB depending on weither there was
an
engine update included.

The latest one, 1.14.1464.7, seems to be about 250kb !!!

Perhaps the latest engine upgrade now uses incremental updates for
definitions?
I update thru Windows Update notifications (i.e. "tell me when there
are
updates and let me choose if and when to install").

The update took less than 2 minutes on my modem.
WoW!!

?:-)
Tim
Geek w/o Portfolio

Dell 280 Optiplex
XP SP2 fully patched
1 Gig Ram, 3.2Ghz
WD Manual Updates
Real Time Protection On
WD SysRest CP Disabled
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