update question

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Rage Skywolfe

I just came off of a clean format and the first teo updates that become
avaiable before it will download anything else is an update for windows xp
that has something to do with flash player I think. and the other one is
windows installer 3.1 after that you can download sp3 etc. what I am
wondering is why is installer comming up is this a new update?
 
ok. from the site it is saying date published 9/2/2005. if it was published
in 2005 then why is it just now comming out on my machine. the other times
when I have done reformats I just have the update for windows xp at first.
that is what made me wonder if it is something new. as the installation disk
is already sp2
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David B. said:
Not new, but it's an update to what you have on your fresh installation

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...FC-5F56-4A38-B838-DE776FD4138C&displaylang=en
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Rage said:
ok. from the site it is saying date published 9/2/2005. if it was published
in 2005 then why is it just now comming out on my machine. the other times
when I have done reformats I just have the update for windows xp at first.
that is what made me wonder if it is something new. as the installation disk
is already sp2
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Hello:

In the short time it took you to diagnose this situation, you have
probably been infested due to all the security holes that weren't patched.

Regards,

Pete
 
?? how is it having security holes when ti is STILL updating.. takes a while
to get them downloaded:s
 
oh and yes it IS fully patched.. my question was about why this is comming up
before it installs everything else.
 
Rage said:
oh and yes it IS fully patched.. my question was about why this is comming up
before it installs everything else.
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Hello:

I know this may be hard to visualize. As soon as a freshly installed
Windows system, where the system was loaded with only the original
Windows CD, and the system is allowed to see the Internet, the system
is vulnerable to all automated malware bots that continually attempt
to penetrate systems through security holes and exploits not yet
corrected by critical updates and service packs.

The only way to fully protect a system from that type of malware
intrusion, in that time of exposure, is to *NOT* allow connection to
the Internet.

The patches, updates and service packs need to be applied through the
use of trusted media. Till this is done, the freshly loaded yet
unpatched system is best described as a "Honey Pot". The average time
to infection of a proverbial honey pot is now measured in mere minutes.

Any thoughts that one's Windows Firewall is protecting your system
until every last patch is installed, is truly erroneous.

Warm regards,

Pete
 
ok but how is this accomplished? is there a way to download something that
has ALL of the updates that have been released since the service pack was
installed? because once sp3 is installed I get all of the others right away.
the only way this coomputer can even get on the internet to begin with is if
the drivers for the ethernet card are installed. the modem can be plugged in
yes, but if it isn't installed it can't get onto the net.
 
Rage said:
ok but how is this accomplished? is there a way to download something that
has ALL of the updates that have been released since the service pack was
installed?
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Per se, no. But still - you don't want to connect the system to the
Internet just because SP3 has just been installed from trusted media.
The lack of post SP3 critical updates means your system is still
vulnerable.
because once sp3 is installed I get all of the others right away.
the only way this computer can even get on the internet to begin with is if
the drivers for the Ethernet card are installed. the modem can be plugged in
yes, but if it isn't installed it can't get onto the net.
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In that instance, you are safe. If you have used another trusted
Internet connected system to create trusted media, used in the further
installation of the system being built, then you are enjoying the best
possible security. All critical updates, since the release of SP3,
can be downloaded into a USB drive as just one example, and then
applied to the target system. Many call that using "Sneaker Net".

I hope your system(s) are also behind a NAT router.

While you are at it, you may as well install all manner of antimalware
you will be using in the final configuration.

The overall general idea is that you want to forbid your system being
built, from unnecessary and dangerous exposure to the Internet until
it's as safe as it can be.

HTH

Pete
 
from the people I have talked to that ACTUALLY deal with computers ALL of the
time have said basicaly what I thought...in order to get the updates at all
you have to be on the internet.. there is no way you can install all of the
updates like you would a program because new ones come out all the time. for
instance. if an update comes out for may that may be an out of cycle patch
and the updates you get are only for may your computer would be at risk if it
is a critical update unless you can magicaly gather things without being
connected? I would like to know how and I am sure alot of other people would
too. it is kind of like trying to run a car without any gas in it.. doesn't
work. even if you install sp3 as a stand alone installer you would still
have to get the updates that are released from the internet... and like I
said, my ethernet card requires the driver from the motherboard disk to even
get on to the internet to begin with... no driver,no net
 
as I have understood.. sp3 HAS all of the critical updates that were in the
previous version to begin with. and even if it didn't the updates for sp2
have to be done through the net it doesn't happen magicaly.
 
Rage said:
as I have understood.. sp3 HAS all of the critical updates that were
in the previous version to begin with. and even if it didn't the
updates for sp2 have to be done through the net it doesn't happen
magicaly.
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I never thought of the situation where one isn't connected to the 'net.
But, if you are permanently not connected to the 'net, you're probably
fine with just SP2 and in good shape with SP3, since the "fixes" and
upgrades they do are all aimed at protecting one from things that come
FROM the internet.
SP2 included a good mix of enhancements, new features, even a couple
new programs and a boatload of security fixes to protect you from things
on the 'net. SP3 is mostly just the security fixes but if you're not on
the 'net, and don't plan to be, then it's really no problem.

If you've experienced a temporary but long lived loss of internet
services, then as soon as you get your AV installed and any other
security programs you may have, just turn on auto-update (it's on by
default), and let all the downloads be installed when you finally get
back on. This is a situation where SP3 is preferable to have; a lot
fewer updates to download. SP2 and 3 are still available by snail mail
if you contact MS and explain your situation. They charge a small fee
for the disks, but that's all. It's pretty cheap.

HTH,

Twayne`
 
yeah that is what I thought. this connection is an always on connection
unless the modem is unplugged since it is a DSL connection. what I meant by
my post before that is how is it possible to get the updates to begin with if
they aren't downloaded in the first place. I don't do any surfing or anything
else until all of the updates have been applied. then I get my programs on
there and install them.
 
For future reference: use Autopatcher to download all updates (updated
monthly), put on seconf hard edrive or USB stick or CD. Then if you need to
reinstall the OS, you can update to current without connecting to the
internet.

http://www.autopatcher.com/forums/index.php?act=idx

Note MS has no objections to this version of autopatcher, as it fetches all
the patches from MS servers.
 
You can download the autopatcher updater file from

http://www.autopatcher.com/downloads/

Extract the files from the downloaded apup.zip into a suitable folder (best
its own folder as it will generate subfolders when used, and these should be
kept together).
Double click apup.exe, select the updates you want, let it do its thing. It
will download the Autopatcher.exe application (there is no installation, as
such) and the updates you've selected. Use the Autopatcher.exe to install
the updates.

Rage Skywolfe said:
ok but which one do I download?
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