Unwanted XP versus 98

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Lillian

I recently purchased a PC from Gateway--I ask for Win98 &
got WinXP (plus several programs I ordered were not
included). They refused to remedy the situation & are
worthless in the technical dept.--which is frustrating
because if takes an average of 45 minutes to even get to
tech support via the 800# (they did not provide a manual
for XP).

My questions are:

How do you clean cache files in XP?

Where do you locate the equivilant to the Win98 File
Manager in XP?

I preferred 98 because it was simple to maintain & I felt
like I had more control over the maintence (& it served
all my needs).

I would greatly appreciate any help that can be offered.
Thank you in advance,
Lillian
 
Lillian said:
I recently purchased a PC from Gateway--I ask for Win98 &
got WinXP (plus several programs I ordered were not
included). They refused to remedy the situation & are
worthless in the technical dept.--which is frustrating
because if takes an average of 45 minutes to even get to
tech support via the 800# (they did not provide a manual
for XP).

My questions are:

How do you clean cache files in XP?

Start - All Programs - Accessories - System Tools - Disk Cleanup
Where do you locate the equivilant to the Win98 File
Manager in XP?

Ain't no such beastie in XP and thank God for that. Using the
stone-age 16 bit Winfile.exe in Windows 98 is extremely foolhardy if
not downright dangerous.

Windows Explorer can do pretty much everything that Winfile could.
And if you want the same old "look and feel" there are 3rd party
products you can install into XP that will do that, such as
http://www.winability.com/abcommander/

However if you are insistent then I do believe that the winfile.exe
version from Windows NT4 can be made to work with Windows XP.
However I do not have the gory details as to how to do this.
I preferred 98 because it was simple to maintain & I felt
like I had more control over the maintence (& it served
all my needs).

I have found, since the earliest Beta versions of XP, that it need
vastly less maintenance and tweaking than either Windows 98 or Windows
Me and that is why it almost instantly became my operating system of
choice, long before the actual release date.


Good luck


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
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http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

"The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much."
 
Ron, thanks for your reply. I appreciate tips on choices.
Maybe it's just too late to teach this old 'cat' new
tricks--but I'd much rather have stoneage Win98 :-).
Problems from the start with XP (restarts on it's own just
whenever--usually when I'm in the middle of a long
research project). Tech help told me I needed to use my
restore disk (I would if Gateway had provided one), but
other than that, they were puzzled by it.
I understand your preference for XP since it fits your
needs--that's great. It's more than I need & I don't
really have time to learn a new system from scratch
(especially without manual which Gateway promised to send
long ago).
Thanks again,
Lillian
 
It actually doesn't matter what Gateway says, you have made a good faith
attempt to return it, you properly notified your credit card company and
disputed the purchase. If Visa does in fact reverse the charge, you can bet
Gateway will be at your front door looking for the PC or, at the very least
mailing you a request to return it. Gateway has very little grounds on
which to stand. No, you can't simply leave the PC at their doorstep, then
they could do as they said. However, let this play out, credit card
companies usually side with the consumer on issues such as this and if
Gateway doesn't get paid, they'll want that computer back.:-)

Certainly continue to correspond with Gateway, including informing them of
your decision with regard to the charge and the credit card company and let
them know Visa has already informed you they will issue a reversal of the
charge if this issue is not resolved in 90 days.
 
Lillian said:
Thanks for your response--& you are right, that would have
been best solution. However, I tried to return it--took
back & told them was going to leave it (Visa advised
that). They said fine--we will consider it abandoned &
you will not get a refund (even threatened to call police
& report me for leaving 'garbage' in their store). Funny
huh? Finally stopped trying to verbally get them to take
it back (my word against yours situation) & started email
pleas. After about 14 nasty emails from them telling me I
was "....out of luck", Visa believed that I made an honest
effort to return it & now say they will issue a reversal
(aft 90-days if still not resolved). I'm still trying to
get Gateway to take it back, but until I get refund so can
purchase another one--I'm stuck. Anyway, that's the
scoop. Thanks for replying.

Lilian,

The reason you didn't receive 98 is that MS no longer supplies it, nor
supports it. And, when MS ceases support you will find that other
manufacturers start to follow suit. Soon you may no longer be able to
purchase hardware with 98 drivers or 98 drivers for existing hardware. I
very much doubt that any PC vendor will supply a system with 98 these days.
It is 5-year-old technology - your argument with Gateway is really null and
void because they cannot supply you with 98 because MS no longer provides it
to vendors. You're going to have to get used to XP - or install 98 and void
your warranty.
 
Correct, we have no way of knowing what happened upfront. However, she
clearly has made her case to the satisfaction of her credit card company and
I think that should at least give her the benefit of the doubt. Also, from
what she has said about her communications with Gateway, there's a clear
implication that they are in the wrong and know it. She appears to have
purchased this at a Gateway store. I wouldn't be at all surprised if she
did tell them upfront and they failed to properly inform her. We have no
reason to believe she didn't request this as she stated. She gave some very
strong reasons why she didn't want XP. Whatever her feelings are, right or
wrong, my experience is when someone has such strong feelings going into a
purchase they say so.
 
Cassandra, I was wondering if you got permission from Terry Pratchett to use
a name from his book? You know that is a infringement on his intellectual
works. You are always talking about "legal" stuff in the groups, and bashing
peeps that use KaZaA and accusing them of pirating yet here your are
stealing someone else's work for your self. Maybe someone will send him a
little email and let him know you are stealing from him.
 
Lillian said:
Ron, thanks for your reply. I appreciate tips on choices.
Maybe it's just too late to teach this old 'cat' new
tricks--but I'd much rather have stoneage Win98 :-).
Problems from the start with XP (restarts on it's own just
whenever--usually when I'm in the middle of a long
research project). Tech help told me I needed to use my
restore disk (I would if Gateway had provided one), but
other than that, they were puzzled by it.
I understand your preference for XP since it fits your
needs--that's great. It's more than I need & I don't
really have time to learn a new system from scratch
(especially without manual which Gateway promised to send
long ago).
Thanks again,
Lillian

Sounds like your issues are more with Gateway and their (lack of)
support than with Windows XP.

As for your spontaneous reboots, that should be quite easy to fix.
Open Control Panel - System - Advanced.
In the Startup and Recovery section (bottom) click on the Settings
button.
In the System Failure (middle) section of the Startup and Recovery
window click on the "automatically restart" checkbox to clear it.

While you are in there, click on the drop-down menu arrow for the
"write debugging information" item and change the selection to either
"none" or "small memory dump (64KB)".

Click on OK as needed to exit.

That will take care of your spontaneous reboots. However they are
likely to be replaced by Blue Screen Of Death (familiar country to a
Windows 98 user) STOP error message and the computer may be locked up,
requiring a manual reset or power off. The contents of the STOP error
message will be a direct clue as to the cause of the problem and you
should post that information back here.

One other thing that you can do that might make your Windows XP
experience a bit more "like home" is to right-click on the Start
button, select Properties, and choose the Classic Start Menu option.
That will give Windows XP a lot more of the "look and feel" of Windows
98.

Good luck


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

"The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much."
 
Lillian,
I would advise you, to also send a certified letter w/signature confirmation to Gateway's Customer Service, and if you bought the PC from a Gateway outlet store, send a copy to the store. Don't rely on sending email or phone calls, to prove that you made the "appropriate good faith efforts" by a customer. That may be required in some states to prove your case.

--
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Ron, thanks for your reply. I appreciate tips on choices.
Maybe it's just too late to teach this old 'cat' new
tricks--but I'd much rather have stoneage Win98 :-).
Problems from the start with XP (restarts on it's own just
whenever--usually when I'm in the middle of a long
research project). Tech help told me I needed to use my
restore disk (I would if Gateway had provided one), but
other than that, they were puzzled by it.
I understand your preference for XP since it fits your
needs--that's great. It's more than I need & I don't
really have time to learn a new system from scratch
(especially without manual which Gateway promised to send
long ago).
Thanks again,
Lillian
 
Actually 98 is still available in oem packs, so in theory, Gateway could
still offer it. It's doubtful they do, but a small shop could certainly
supply it. I still have customers who ask for it as they don't want
Millennium, and they have hardware or software that won't run on an NT
system.
 
I'd like to suggest that you buy your replacement from a small shop that
will supply what you want and give you personal support instead of from
someplace that will send you their cookie-cutter production line model.
 
Just be sure you know the shop or check with others. I have my systems
built by a small shop and I'm pleased with them but there are also a lot of
fly by night operators who may not be there when you need them.

This is by no means is meant to be critical, you just need to do a little
more checking. We've run into whole bunches of folks on these boards who
ended up with pirated copies of XP and bogus CD keys. Watch the ads and be
sure they've been around for awhile. There's a periodical called "Computer
User." They have local editions for all over the country and many local
shops advertise in it, www.computeruser.com has a link to where it is
available. It's free or you can subscribe to it for a price.

One other thing to consider, a lot of small shops do an excellent job of
building the system but unfortunately, many have employees whose native
language is something other than English and it can make it difficult when
seeking tech support. You can certainly run into that with a major
manufacturer but when you run into it with a shop, there's almost no place
else to go.
 
For it to be theft, it would have to be copyright - the only thing
that's copyright is the Discworld name, therefore anyone can use
whatever other name they like. Maybe you should learn what copyright
is. No matter...abuse report sent to (e-mail address removed).

--
Prehaps you should learn a little what copyright is. ANY original work or
published concept automatically has a copyright. No notice or symbols are
need to convey this copyright. The mere fact that Tom Prechett create the
book and the name makes it covered by copyright protection.

David
 
Abuse report? You have got to be kidding. I could abuse you if you would
like, that way you can see what abuse is. open up the one of his books and
read the inside cover and first few pages. I'm quite certain you will see
the copyright printed there.
 
Well, whether or not it's copyright infringement, it's still plagiarism.
You are using someone else's work, research, idea, etc. for your own use,
without crediting the source. Gee, you think someone with an English degree
would know that, eh?

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Michael Solomon (MS-MVP Windows Shell/User) said:
Just be sure you know the shop or check with others. I have my systems
built by a small shop and I'm pleased with them but there are also a lot of
fly by night operators who may not be there when you need them.

True, but it's the same with any small business. Get your car repaired at a
local mechanic or the dealership? You'd better check it out a little before
you get work done. As far as not being there when you need them, there have
been plenty of computer-related companies that have vanished overnight, as
well.

Most of my business growth is due to referrals, so that must mean something
:-)
This is by no means is meant to be critical, you just need to do a little
more checking.

Shopping around is a good idea. I didn't mean to imply the the OP should run
to the nearest shop and plunk down cash without asking questions. With small
shops there are going to be a lot of options for customization, so it will
take some research.

We've run into whole bunches of folks on these boards who
ended up with pirated copies of XP and bogus CD keys. Watch the ads and be
sure they've been around for awhile. There's a periodical called "Computer
User." They have local editions for all over the country and many local
shops advertise in it, www.computeruser.com has a link to where it is
available. It's free or you can subscribe to it for a price.

While advertising is a good way to find someone, it doesn't say much about
how good or bad the business is, nor does it tell you how long they've been
in business (unless, of course, that's part of the ad). It just means
they're paying for an ad. And there's enough misleading advertising out
there. And I've seen ads that offer blatently illegal software, as well.

Best bet is to ask other people about their experiences at local shops, and
talk to the people there.
One other thing to consider, a lot of small shops do an excellent job of
building the system but unfortunately, many have employees whose native
language is something other than English and it can make it difficult when
seeking tech support.

Huh? There are about a half-dozen small computer shops in my town, and in
general, the person you're most likely to talk to is the owner, who is also
a tech. And the techs do double-duty answering questions to retail
customers. And ansering the phone. Maybe you have a different definition of
a "small shop" than I do, but the type I'm thinking of wouldn't survive if
the techs didn't speak the native language of the surrounding population.

You can certainly run into that with a major
manufacturer but when you run into it with a shop, there's almost no place
else to go.

And if you run into a dead end with Dell or Gateway, what's your recourse?
With a small shop, you can generally look the owner in the eye and
negotiate. A small shop, if they're any good, is going to want to make the
customer happy because word-of-mouth is important, and one angry customer
spreading the word can actually have noticable effects. So even if the
customer is "wrong" many times a local shop will bend over backward to make
them happy, just so they don't get a bad reputation. If angry customers had
that sort of effect on the big OEMs, then HP would be handing out CDs with
their computers.

Of course, there are lousy small computer shops, and there have been a few
in this town. Oddly enough, they didn't last very long. And people who knew
computers knew which shops were legit and which weren't.
 
Here's a link to the 32bit winfile, from NT, I believe:
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/regs_edits/WINFILE.EXE
It can use long file names and works quite well with XP.
-
Todd
I recently purchased a PC from Gateway--I ask for Win98 &
got WinXP (plus several programs I ordered were not
included). They refused to remedy the situation & are
worthless in the technical dept.--which is frustrating
because if takes an average of 45 minutes to even get to
tech support via the 800# (they did not provide a manual
for XP).
My questions are:
How do you clean cache files in XP?
Where do you locate the equivilant to the Win98 File
Manager in XP?
 
Problems from the start with XP (restarts on it's own just
whenever--usually when I'm in the middle of a long
research project).

This is not a problem that is endemic with Windows XP. A huge number of XP
users never have this problem, although I've heard that some do. There is
usally a fix for it from Microsoft if you search their knowledge base.
Tech help told me I needed to use my
restore disk (I would if Gateway had provided one),

Gateway ABSOLUTELY provides a restore disk with every PC sold. My company's
purchased HUNDREDS of Gateway PCs and every one of them came with a system
restore disk. If you didn't get one, ask Gateway for one.
It's more than I need & I don't
really have time to learn a new system from scratch

Most of when you've learned for Windows 98 still applies to Windows XP.
However, if you buy a license for Windows XP, you are legally entitled to
install any prior version of Windows in its place, if that's what you
prefer. I wouldn't be at all surprised if you could pick up a Windows 98 CD
cheaply somewhere or simply scrub you old PC and install its copy of 98 on
your new PC.
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No disagreement from me. I didn't mean it to be argumentative, just a
cautionary.:-)
 
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