Trying to find the best way to get everything right xp 64 bit

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I built a new computer recently and sense it was 64 bit I got xp 64 bit
because 90% percent of what I hear of vista is that it competes whith me for
bugginess and helping my freind with his new vista machine left me feeling
happy with xp
but the 64 bit xp is moderately unsuported for drivers and I had to dumb
down some bios setting to get it to correctly see my DVD read writter and
then a peice of software that I have always wanted to work with dragon
naturally speaking 9 cant install and it may not have a patch for 8 to 10
months and I had to find an alternative print driver for my cannon i860 so I
am using the bjc 8000 driver and it seems to work, that leaves me a little
troubled. I have an old retail version of xp service pack1 but I'd rather
leave available for my back up computer. I was considering setting up a dual
boot but I ran into a refernce to virtual pc 2007.
so I am considering buying a oem version of windows xp 32 bit because buying
an aditional licence would only save me forty dollars out of 280 and I would
have to deal with a lot of updates that can sometimes be tricky. I saw a oem
version for 130. But I wonder if there is a better option. Other than that
anything xp 64 bit recognizes and installs correctly runs buetifuly and
without flaw. I'm just unhappy that It seems I will need to spend anouther
130 dollars before eveything that is more than 3 years old will probbably
work but not guarrenteed to work
 
tep said:
I built a new computer recently and sense it was 64 bit I got xp 64
bit because 90% percent of what I hear of vista is that it competes
whith me for bugginess and helping my freind with his new vista
machine left me feeling happy with xp
but the 64 bit xp is moderately unsuported for drivers and I had to
dumb down some bios setting to get it to correctly see my DVD read
writter and then a peice of software that I have always wanted to
work with dragon naturally speaking 9 cant install and it may not
have a patch for 8 to 10 months and I had to find an alternative
print driver for my cannon i860 so I am using the bjc 8000 driver
and it seems to work, that leaves me a little troubled. I have an
old retail version of xp service pack1 but I'd rather leave
available for my back up computer. I was considering setting up a
dual boot but I ran into a refernce to virtual pc 2007.
so I am considering buying a oem version of windows xp 32 bit
because buying an aditional licence would only save me forty
dollars out of 280 and I would have to deal with a lot of updates
that can sometimes be tricky. I saw a oem version for 130. But I
wonder if there is a better option. Other than that anything xp 64
bit recognizes and installs correctly runs buetifuly and without
flaw. I'm just unhappy that It seems I will need to spend anouther
130 dollars before eveything that is more than 3 years old will
probbably work but not guarrenteed to work
Click to expand...

Lack of research. 64bit (anything) is known for not being 'quite ready yet'
or 'not fully supported by hardware vendors' and so forth. At the very
least - it's known to not be the best choice for a casual home user as not
all hardware vendors put out 64bit ready drivers and not all software
vendors will take advantage of the 64bit capabilities anyway.

So...

What is it you plan(ed) on doing with your 64bit OS? What applications did
you have that were 64bit? Do you have more than 3GB of memory to utilize?
Why did you think 64bit Windows XP would be *the alternative* to Windows
Vista (most versions of - btw - are 32bit as well.)? Just because you *can*
do someonthing doesn't mean you *should*. ;-)

As for getting a copy of the Windows XP (Professional? Media Center?
Home?) 32 bit editions - OEM - the (only, in most cases) difference is the
licensing. No support from Microsoft and you install it on one computer and
no matter what happens, in strict accordance with the EULA, it is tied to
that computer no matter what happens. Getting updates - truthfully - for
most Windows XP operating systems is simple.
http://windowsupdates.microsoft.com/ will get you about everythng you need
and as far as being 'tricky'... Not that I know of - especially not in the
case of a clean installation. In fact - if you can get it from a friend
with MSDN/Technet access - just install SP3 from the get-go and be done at
that point for now (as far as updates.)

BTW - SP1 for Windows XP Professional x64 is the same as SP1 for Windows
2003 Server <- not the same as Windows XP SP1. (Just in case you did not
know.)
 
tep said:
I built a new computer recently and sense it was 64 bit I got xp 64 bit
because 90% percent of what I hear of vista is that it competes whith me for
bugginess and helping my freind with his new vista machine left me feeling
happy with xp
but the 64 bit xp is moderately unsuported for drivers and I had to dumb
down some bios setting to get it to correctly see my DVD read writter and
then a peice of software that I have always wanted to work with dragon
naturally speaking 9 cant install and it may not have a patch for 8 to 10
months and I had to find an alternative print driver for my cannon i860 so I
am using the bjc 8000 driver and it seems to work, that leaves me a little
troubled. I have an old retail version of xp service pack1 but I'd rather
leave available for my back up computer. I was considering setting up a dual
boot but I ran into a refernce to virtual pc 2007.
so I am considering buying a oem version of windows xp 32 bit because buying
an aditional licence would only save me forty dollars out of 280 and I would
have to deal with a lot of updates that can sometimes be tricky. I saw a oem
version for 130. But I wonder if there is a better option. Other than that
anything xp 64 bit recognizes and installs correctly runs buetifuly and
without flaw. I'm just unhappy that It seems I will need to spend anouther
130 dollars before eveything that is more than 3 years old will probbably
work but not guarrenteed to work
Click to expand...


Here is what I did:

About 18 months ago I was commissioned to build a top-end machine
for a serious Photoshop user.

I got an AMD dual core cpu and 2 gigs of RAM...
then installed several harddrives.
The machine was setup to dual boot both XP -32bit
and XP -64 bit.


Since the mobo of course came with all the chipset drivers for both the
32bit and 64bit versions
of XP, I was relieved that both systems worked *perfectly* !

The only problem I had was finding a wireless network card that was
supported by the 64bit version.
Most mfg specs said "XP"...but did not specify XP 64...so it took a bit of
research
to find one...It installed fine but had difficulty connecting to the router
that was not even 20 feet away.
So I pulled the card and just wired the machine directly to the router.

Finally, the printer was installed...and an Epson was selected...it worked
perfectly on either side of the boot menu.

The final test was running Photoshop...and later CS2.

Though it worked absolutey fine on the 32bit side...
there was definately at least some advantage when running it on the 64 bit
XP...
so the machine was set to use 64bit XP as default...
and the 32bit version was never used again.

Other than that...the virus checker that worked best was the free version of
Avast.

If youy are not sure of all the drivers etc,
then stick with the 32 bit version...it's still a great OS!
 
so I am considering buying a oem version of windows xp 32 bit because buying
an aditional licence would only save me forty dollars out of 280 and I would
have to deal with a lot of updates that can sometimes be tricky. I saw a oem
version for 130. But I wonder if there is a better option.
Click to expand...


I always recommend against OEM versions. I recommend that you buy a
retail upgrade version from a reputable discount source. You can buy
an OEM version instead, but it's usually only slightly cheaper than an
upgrade version, and the small difference in price isn't worth having
the disadvantages of an OEM version, the most severe of which is that
once installed, it can never legally be moved to another computer,
even if the original one dies.

By the way, contrary to what many people think, the requirement to use
an upgrade version is to *own* a previous qualifying version's
installation CD, not to have it installed. When setup doesn't find a
previous qualifying version installed, it will prompt you to insert
its CD as proof of ownership. Just insert the previous version's CD,
and follow the prompts. Everything proceeds quite normally and quite
legitimately.
 
Shenan Stanley said:
Lack of research. 64bit (anything) is known for not being 'quite ready yet'
or 'not fully supported by hardware vendors' and so forth. At the very
least - it's known to not be the best choice for a casual home user as not
all hardware vendors put out 64bit ready drivers and not all software
vendors will take advantage of the 64bit capabilities anyway.

So...

What is it you plan(ed) on doing with your 64bit OS? What applications did
you have that were 64bit? Do you have more than 3GB of memory to utilize?
Why did you think 64bit Windows XP would be *the alternative* to Windows
Vista (most versions of - btw - are 32bit as well.)? Just because you *can*
do someonthing doesn't mean you *should*. ;-)

As for getting a copy of the Windows XP (Professional? Media Center?
Home?) 32 bit editions - OEM - the (only, in most cases) difference is the
licensing. No support from Microsoft and you install it on one computer and
no matter what happens, in strict accordance with the EULA, it is tied to
that computer no matter what happens. Getting updates - truthfully - for
most Windows XP operating systems is simple.
http://windowsupdates.microsoft.com/ will get you about everythng you need
and as far as being 'tricky'... Not that I know of - especially not in the
case of a clean installation. In fact - if you can get it from a friend
with MSDN/Technet access - just install SP3 from the get-go and be done at
that point for now (as far as updates.)

BTW - SP1 for Windows XP Professional x64 is the same as SP1 for Windows
2003 Server <- not the same as Windows XP SP1. (Just in case you did not
know.)
Click to expand...
 
tep said:
I built a new computer recently and sense it was 64 bit I got xp
64 bit because 90% percent of what I hear of vista is that it
competes whith me for bugginess and helping my freind with his
new vista machine left me feeling happy with xp
but the 64 bit xp is moderately unsuported for drivers and I had
to dumb down some bios setting to get it to correctly see my DVD
read writter and then a peice of software that I have always
wanted to work with dragon naturally speaking 9 cant install and
it may not have a patch for 8 to 10 months and I had to find an
alternative print driver for my cannon i860 so I am using the bjc
8000 driver and it seems to work, that leaves me a little
troubled. I have an old retail version of xp service pack1 but
I'd rather leave available for my back up computer. I was
considering setting up a dual boot but I ran into a refernce to
virtual pc 2007.
so I am considering buying a oem version of windows xp 32 bit
because buying an aditional licence would only save me forty
dollars out of 280 and I would have to deal with a lot of updates
that can sometimes be tricky. I saw a oem version for 130. But I
wonder if there is a better option. Other than that anything xp
64 bit recognizes and installs correctly runs buetifuly and
without flaw. I'm just unhappy that It seems I will need to
spend anouther 130 dollars before eveything that is more than 3
years old will probbably work but not guarrenteed to work
Click to expand...

Shenan said:
Lack of research. 64bit (anything) is known for not being 'quite
ready yet' or 'not fully supported by hardware vendors' and so
forth. At the very least - it's known to not be the best choice
for a casual home user as not all hardware vendors put out 64bit
ready drivers and not all software vendors will take advantage of
the 64bit capabilities anyway.

So...

What is it you plan(ed) on doing with your 64bit OS? What
applications did you have that were 64bit? Do you have more than
3GB of memory to utilize? Why did you think 64bit Windows XP would
be *the alternative* to Windows Vista (most versions of - btw -
are 32bit as well.)? Just because you *can* do someonthing
doesn't mean you *should*. ;-)

As for getting a copy of the Windows XP (Professional? Media
Center? Home?) 32 bit editions - OEM - the (only, in most cases)
difference is the licensing. No support from Microsoft and you
install it on one computer and no matter what happens, in strict
accordance with the EULA, it is tied to that computer no matter
what happens. Getting updates - truthfully - for most Windows XP
operating systems is simple. http://windowsupdates.microsoft.com/
will get you about everythng you need and as far as being
'tricky'... Not that I know of - especially not in the case of a
clean installation. In fact - if you can get it from a friend
with MSDN/Technet access - just install SP3 from the get-go and be
done at that point for now (as far as updates.)

BTW - SP1 for Windows XP Professional x64 is the same as SP1 for
Windows 2003 Server <- not the same as Windows XP SP1. (Just in
case you did not know.)
Click to expand...

Okay...?
 
Shenan Stanley said:
Lack of research. 64bit (anything) is known for not being 'quite ready yet'
or 'not fully supported by hardware vendors' and so forth. At the very
least - it's known to not be the best choice for a casual home user as not
all hardware vendors put out 64bit ready drivers and not all software
vendors will take advantage of the 64bit capabilities anyway.

So...

What is it you plan(ed) on doing with your 64bit OS? What applications did
you have that were 64bit? Do you have more than 3GB of memory to utilize?
Why did you think 64bit Windows XP would be *the alternative* to Windows
Vista (most versions of - btw - are 32bit as well.)? Just because you *can*
do someonthing doesn't mean you *should*. ;-)

As for getting a copy of the Windows XP (Professional? Media Center?
Home?) 32 bit editions - OEM - the (only, in most cases) difference is the
licensing. No support from Microsoft and you install it on one computer and
no matter what happens, in strict accordance with the EULA, it is tied to
that computer no matter what happens. Getting updates - truthfully - for
most Windows XP operating systems is simple.
http://windowsupdates.microsoft.com/ will get you about everythng you need
and as far as being 'tricky'... Not that I know of - especially not in the
case of a clean installation. In fact - if you can get it from a friend
with MSDN/Technet access - just install SP3 from the get-go and be done at
that point for now (as far as updates.)

BTW - SP1 for Windows XP Professional x64 is the same as SP1 for Windows
2003 Server <- not the same as Windows XP SP1. (Just in case you did not
know.)
Click to expand...
Primarily as a hobby I'm interested in 3D rendering. My training is in
mathematic and I have a fair amount of experience with computers and I have
been trying educate myself in some programing but I have been out of the loop
for a long time. I have some training in electronics, my first colledge that
was successful was assembly for the 8086 proccessors. in building the system
I wanted something I could upgrade overtime but I was hessatant to get vista
I hadent heard that the 64 bit version of xp had some of the same issues such
as being unprepared to work with current hardware and solftware. After some
of the things I have seen with vista home premium. Some of the advise I
heard from helpful people just disturbed me but in a sense I am in the same
boat I never would have considered that a newer updated version would have
had such a low amount of transperancy to a previous close siblings capacities
but I was wrong. This was almost like going from win 98 to windows NT and
Vista smells like halfway between NT and ME. I'm sorry if I seem anoyed.
But regular XP was to me the nicest of all microsofts OS it was a leap ahead
in resourse over 98 and didn't come with the constant instabilities of ME. I
used to do some tech suport back then. 64 bit is a good os but I can only
theorize that it is either property rights issues or a relative of the main
security feature of xp that it cannot implement a 32 bit subsystem to handle
32 bit drivers and system files. as far as updates I spent three days on and
of trying to get the .net 1.0 2.0 and 3.0 patches and related security to
install satisfactorily and turned out that letting update do its own thing
wasn't I found that some of the security patches for 1.0 wouldn't install if
2.0 was on the system and yet it would still ask for them. If I new how to
read the registry I would be a litle less squeamish about using beta products
and I wouild take a beta version of service pack 3. The closest I see to
acomplishing this at this point is virtual pc 2007 and purchasing another os
wich for me is a moderate expendeture that will have to wait for a month if I
have to spend more than 200.
 
philo said:
Here is what I did:

About 18 months ago I was commissioned to build a top-end machine
for a serious Photoshop user.

I got an AMD dual core cpu and 2 gigs of RAM...
then installed several harddrives.
The machine was setup to dual boot both XP -32bit
and XP -64 bit.


Since the mobo of course came with all the chipset drivers for both the
32bit and 64bit versions
of XP, I was relieved that both systems worked *perfectly* !

The only problem I had was finding a wireless network card that was
supported by the 64bit version.
Most mfg specs said "XP"...but did not specify XP 64...so it took a bit of
research
to find one...It installed fine but had difficulty connecting to the router
that was not even 20 feet away.
So I pulled the card and just wired the machine directly to the router.

Finally, the printer was installed...and an Epson was selected...it worked
perfectly on either side of the boot menu.

The final test was running Photoshop...and later CS2.

Though it worked absolutey fine on the 32bit side...
there was definately at least some advantage when running it on the 64 bit
XP...
so the machine was set to use 64bit XP as default...
and the 32bit version was never used again.

Other than that...the virus checker that worked best was the free version of
Avast.

If youy are not sure of all the drivers etc,
then stick with the 32 bit version...it's still a great OS!
Click to expand...
Thankyou very much. This tells me that it is posible to get thing working
under at least one plan I was considering, so if I get a copy of xp 32 I have
a better than 95% chance that anything my old comuter can run will be able to
run on the new but if I understand right do I have to uninstall the 64 bit
then install the 32 then set up the 64 bit, just trying figure out how much
time and efort this will take
 
Ken Blake said:
I always recommend against OEM versions. I recommend that you buy a
retail upgrade version from a reputable discount source. You can buy
an OEM version instead, but it's usually only slightly cheaper than an
upgrade version, and the small difference in price isn't worth having
the disadvantages of an OEM version, the most severe of which is that
once installed, it can never legally be moved to another computer,
even if the original one dies.

By the way, contrary to what many people think, the requirement to use
an upgrade version is to *own* a previous qualifying version's
installation CD, not to have it installed. When setup doesn't find a
previous qualifying version installed, it will prompt you to insert
its CD as proof of ownership. Just insert the previous version's CD,
and follow the prompts. Everything proceeds quite normally and quite
legitimately.
Click to expand...
I remember having some issues regarding activatin xp retail because of
difference it thought it was a new machine but I own xpsevice packit1 could
I use it1 and does this count for the upgrade version
 
Thankyou very much. This tells me that it is posible to get thing working
under at least one plan I was considering, so if I get a copy of xp 32 I have
a better than 95% chance that anything my old comuter can run will be able to
run on the new but if I understand right do I have to uninstall the 64 bit
then install the 32 then set up the 64 bit, just trying figure out how much
time and efort this will take
Click to expand...


If you do not mind purchasing both the 32bit version and the 64 bit version

I'd say install both...but they MUST be installed on seperate paritions.

Since on the machine I built...I got eveything running 100% on the 64 bit
side...
the 32bit side is no longer used at all.

If you know you can get 64bit drivers for all your H/W you may not want to
bother with the 32bit portion
at all...
 
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