Trying to connect 2.5 inch 40G Toshiba as slave in older deskside

[Harry]

I am trying to install a 2.5 inch Toshiba 40G drive(HDD2171)from my
laptop (Toshiba Satellite 505, XP, etc.) (HP4458, Win 98)in order to
recover some data that was (foolishly) not included in the backups of
the laptop. The little drive failed and wouldn't boot in the laptop,
but I'm hoping that some of the data is still recoverable...

I purchased a little 44 pin to 40 pin IDE hard drive adapter and
managed to fish out the connector for the slave drive in the HP (the
connector is an in-line connector on the cable that goes on up to the
CD drive) and hook it up, but I don't know where to go from here to
get it to work as a slave.

When I boot the HP it does not recognize the new drive, and I can't
figure out how to set it as a slave since there are no jumpers on the
little 2.5 inch drive.

When I press F1 and enter Setup on the HP, the drive lineup reads like
this:

Primary Master: [Quantum Fireball Ex6.4A –(PM]
Primary Slave: [None]
Secondary Master: [None]
Secondary Slave: [None]

If I enter the Primary Slave setup, select [User] mode, and enter the
disc parameters from the disc label I see the following:

[User]
CHS Format
Cylinders: [16380]
Heads: [16]
Sectors: [63]
Max Cap: 8455MB

LBA Format
{all fields show zeros}

Multi-Sector Transferrs: [Disabled]
LBA Mode Control: [Disabled]
32 Bit IO: [Disabled]
Transfer Mode: [Standard]
Ultra DMA Mode: [Disabled]

Exiting and saving and booting then shows no slave drive, only the C:
and the A: (floppy)

Device Manager show two hard drives and reports they both are "Working
Properly", but I can't access the little guy.

(As the CD driver tries to load, it reports "No Drive Found" and then
the machine continues to boot normally but w/o CD drive.)

If I disconnect the little "slave" then the HP boots normally, CD
Drive and all, but of course that doesn't help get data off the little
drive.

Any thoughts, anyone???

Thanks,


-Harry

 

[Rod Speed]

I am trying to install a 2.5 inch Toshiba 40G drive(HDD2171)
from my laptop (Toshiba Satellite 505, XP, etc.) (HP4458, Win 98)
in order to recover some data that was (foolishly) not included in
the backups of the laptop. The little drive failed and wouldn't boot
in the laptop, but I'm hoping that some of the data is still recoverable...

I purchased a little 44 pin to 40 pin IDE hard drive adapter
Fine.

and managed to fish out the connector for the slave
drive in the HP (the connector is an in-line connector on
the cable that goes on up to the CD drive) and hook it up,

Cant work out what this is about. You should be
putting that 44/40 pin adapter on the hard drive
and plugging one of the connectors on the ribbon
cable in the HP into the 40 pin side of the adapter.

but I don't know where to go from here to get it to work as a slave.

That isnt necessary if you have it on the second ribbon
cable in the HP and the only drive on that cable.

When I boot the HP it does not recognize the new
drive, and I can't figure out how to set it as a slave
since there are no jumpers on the little 2.5 inch drive.

Yes there are, they are on the end of the
pins, past the 44 pins the adapter goes onto.
http://tinyurl.com/2o3sn

When I press F1 and enter Setup on
the HP, the drive lineup reads like this:

Primary Master: [Quantum Fireball Ex6.4A -(PM]
Primary Slave: [None]
Secondary Master: [None]
Secondary Slave: [None]

If I enter the Primary Slave setup, select [User] mode,
and enter the disc parameters from the disc label

You should be using the AUTO setting.

I see the following:

[User]
CHS Format
Cylinders: [16380]
Heads: [16]
Sectors: [63]
Max Cap: 8455MB

LBA Format
{all fields show zeros}

Multi-Sector Transferrs: [Disabled]
LBA Mode Control: [Disabled]
32 Bit IO: [Disabled]
Transfer Mode: [Standard]
Ultra DMA Mode: [Disabled]

Exiting and saving and booting then shows
no slave drive, only the C: and the A: (floppy)

Its likely jumpered as master.

Device Manager show two hard drives and
reports they both are "Working Properly",

Likely XP has seen it as part of its own scan for
drives, but because you have two slaves on the
one cable, it cant use it properly or something.

Concentrate on getting it seen at boot time on the
black bios screen and see if that fixes access.

but I can't access the little guy.

(As the CD driver tries to load, it reports "No Drive Found" and
then the machine continues to boot normally but w/o CD drive.)

Likely the laptop drive is preventing the CD being seen
properly because they are both jumpered as slave etc.

If I disconnect the little "slave" then the HP boots
normally, CD Drive and all, but of course that
doesn't help get data off the little drive.

Any thoughts, anyone???

Just jumper the laptop drive properly.

 

[Harry]

Thanks Rod-

I've made some progress since the original posting:

Found the jumper pins and the default is Master as you suspected but I
have no jumpers so just disconnected the CD drive and hooked up the
little Toshiba as a secondary master in place of the CD and it works,
sorta. You are right that using the AUTO setting seems to work fine
and the correct parameters are entered into the cmos.

Had a issue with Win 98 not supporting drives larger than 32 Gb and
solved that with an update to Win 98.

Now the drive seems to sorta work, being identified by Device Manager
as a GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE80, and said to be working properly, but no
drive letter is assigned and also I am unable to type one in or change
the Drive Range settings to have one assigned.

Hummmm..... Any more ideas? Very much appreciate your thoughts...

-Harry

I am trying to install a 2.5 inch Toshiba 40G drive(HDD2171)
from my laptop (Toshiba Satellite 505, XP, etc.) (HP4458, Win 98)
in order to recover some data that was (foolishly) not included in
the backups of the laptop. The little drive failed and wouldn't boot
in the laptop, but I'm hoping that some of the data is still recoverable...

I purchased a little 44 pin to 40 pin IDE hard drive adapter
Fine.

and managed to fish out the connector for the slave
drive in the HP (the connector is an in-line connector on
the cable that goes on up to the CD drive) and hook it up,

Cant work out what this is about. You should be
putting that 44/40 pin adapter on the hard drive
and plugging one of the connectors on the ribbon
cable in the HP into the 40 pin side of the adapter.

but I don't know where to go from here to get it to work as a slave.

That isnt necessary if you have it on the second ribbon
cable in the HP and the only drive on that cable.

When I boot the HP it does not recognize the new
drive, and I can't figure out how to set it as a slave
since there are no jumpers on the little 2.5 inch drive.

Yes there are, they are on the end of the
pins, past the 44 pins the adapter goes onto.
http://tinyurl.com/2o3sn

When I press F1 and enter Setup on
the HP, the drive lineup reads like this:

Primary Master: [Quantum Fireball Ex6.4A -(PM]
Primary Slave: [None]
Secondary Master: [None]
Secondary Slave: [None]

If I enter the Primary Slave setup, select [User] mode,
and enter the disc parameters from the disc label

You should be using the AUTO setting.

I see the following:

[User]
CHS Format
Cylinders: [16380]
Heads: [16]
Sectors: [63]
Max Cap: 8455MB

LBA Format
{all fields show zeros}

Multi-Sector Transferrs: [Disabled]
LBA Mode Control: [Disabled]
32 Bit IO: [Disabled]
Transfer Mode: [Standard]
Ultra DMA Mode: [Disabled]

Exiting and saving and booting then shows
no slave drive, only the C: and the A: (floppy)

Its likely jumpered as master.

Device Manager show two hard drives and
reports they both are "Working Properly",

Likely XP has seen it as part of its own scan for
drives, but because you have two slaves on the
one cable, it cant use it properly or something.

Concentrate on getting it seen at boot time on the
black bios screen and see if that fixes access.

but I can't access the little guy.

(As the CD driver tries to load, it reports "No Drive Found" and
then the machine continues to boot normally but w/o CD drive.)

Likely the laptop drive is preventing the CD being seen
properly because they are both jumpered as slave etc.

If I disconnect the little "slave" then the HP boots
normally, CD Drive and all, but of course that
doesn't help get data off the little drive.

Any thoughts, anyone???

Just jumper the laptop drive properly.

 

[Rod Speed]

Thanks Rod-

I've made some progress since the original posting:

Found the jumper pins and the default is Master as you
suspected but I have no jumpers so just disconnected the
CD drive and hooked up the little Toshiba as a secondary
master in place of the CD and it works, sorta.

Yeah, quite a few drives do work when
other than the strict jumpering is used.

You are right that using the AUTO setting seems to work
fine and the correct parameters are entered into the cmos.

Had a issue with Win 98 not supporting drives larger
than 32 Gb and solved that with an update to Win 98.

Now the drive seems to sorta work, being identified by
Device Manager as a GENERIC IDE DISK TYPE80, and
said to be working properly, but no drive letter is assigned

That particular result is usually due to Win deciding that the
drive hasnt been partitioned and formatted and that may
well just be because it cant read the partition table properly.

Either because the partition table has got damaged
in the sense of bad data in that sector, or not being
able to read the sector properly because the drive
cant read that sector off the platter properly.

and also I am unable to type one in or change
the Drive Range settings to have one assigned.

You dont need to do that with an AUTO drive type.

Hummmm..... Any more ideas?

Try some of the data recovery software
now that the drive is visible to the bios.

If that doesnt at least see something on the drive, try
jumpering it correctly. Tho that shouldnt be necessary
as it obviously didnt have that jumper in the laptop.

It may just be that the drive cant read the
platters properly and that thats how its died.

Very much appreciate your thoughts...

-Harry

I am trying to install a 2.5 inch Toshiba 40G drive(HDD2171)
from my laptop (Toshiba Satellite 505, XP, etc.) (HP4458, Win 98)
in order to recover some data that was (foolishly) not included in
the backups of the laptop. The little drive failed and wouldn't boot
in the laptop, but I'm hoping that some of the data is still recoverable...

I purchased a little 44 pin to 40 pin IDE hard drive adapter
Fine.

and managed to fish out the connector for the slave
drive in the HP (the connector is an in-line connector on
the cable that goes on up to the CD drive) and hook it up,

Cant work out what this is about. You should be
putting that 44/40 pin adapter on the hard drive
and plugging one of the connectors on the ribbon
cable in the HP into the 40 pin side of the adapter.

but I don't know where to go from here to get it to work as a slave.

That isnt necessary if you have it on the second ribbon
cable in the HP and the only drive on that cable.

When I boot the HP it does not recognize the new
drive, and I can't figure out how to set it as a slave
since there are no jumpers on the little 2.5 inch drive.

Yes there are, they are on the end of the
pins, past the 44 pins the adapter goes onto.
http://tinyurl.com/2o3sn

When I press F1 and enter Setup on
the HP, the drive lineup reads like this:

Primary Master: [Quantum Fireball Ex6.4A -(PM]
Primary Slave: [None]
Secondary Master: [None]
Secondary Slave: [None]

If I enter the Primary Slave setup, select [User] mode,
and enter the disc parameters from the disc label

You should be using the AUTO setting.

I see the following:

[User]
CHS Format
Cylinders: [16380]
Heads: [16]
Sectors: [63]
Max Cap: 8455MB

LBA Format
{all fields show zeros}

Multi-Sector Transferrs: [Disabled]
LBA Mode Control: [Disabled]
32 Bit IO: [Disabled]
Transfer Mode: [Standard]
Ultra DMA Mode: [Disabled]

Exiting and saving and booting then shows
no slave drive, only the C: and the A: (floppy)

Its likely jumpered as master.

Device Manager show two hard drives and
reports they both are "Working Properly",

Likely XP has seen it as part of its own scan for
drives, but because you have two slaves on the
one cable, it cant use it properly or something.

Concentrate on getting it seen at boot time on the
black bios screen and see if that fixes access.

but I can't access the little guy.

(As the CD driver tries to load, it reports "No Drive Found" and
then the machine continues to boot normally but w/o CD drive.)

Likely the laptop drive is preventing the CD being seen
properly because they are both jumpered as slave etc.

If I disconnect the little "slave" then the HP boots
normally, CD Drive and all, but of course that
doesn't help get data off the little drive.

Any thoughts, anyone???

Just jumper the laptop drive properly.