Try Mozilla Firefox, it's worth it!

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Wood Contour

After the non-stop issues with IE 6, I took FireFox 0.9 for a ride. By
the end of the day I wiped(almost all of it) out IE, OE and Outlook. I
run mozilla thunderbird for e-mail and NG, no hang-ups, no delays, just
pure fun.
http://mozilla.org
 
Hi:

I sometimes use FireFox 0.9 and Mozilla Thunderbird. However, I prefer
Mozilla (browser, e-mail and NG at the same time.)

I think only one browser is not enough nowadays.

Regards
 
and no more hijacks or mystery toolbars or popups or holes
in the code.

open source. gotta love it.
 
and no more hijacks or mystery toolbars or popups or holes
in the code.

open source. gotta love it.




for a ride. By


and Outlook. I


delays, just
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And developers that tell you what they do, ability to customize and what
not. Just to have fun with. I hate to say it here, but part of the XP
slowness is the tight integration of IE/Explorer/Office apps. Once you
remove it, XP runs beautiful. Firefox Also warns you about to many
redirections and has better, or should I say clear privacy control.
 
Cris said:
Hi:

I sometimes use FireFox 0.9 and Mozilla Thunderbird. However, I prefer
Mozilla (browser, e-mail and NG at the same time.)

I think only one browser is not enough nowadays.

Regards

After the non-stop issues with IE 6, I took FireFox 0.9 for a ride. By
the end of the day I wiped(almost all of it) out IE, OE and Outlook. I
run mozilla thunderbird for e-mail and NG, no hang-ups, no delays, just
pure fun.
http://mozilla.org
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Agree. It gives you much more choices the the IE package.
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Wood said:
And developers that tell you what they do, ability to customize and what
not. Just to have fun with. I hate to say it here, but part of the XP
slowness is the tight integration of IE/Explorer/Office apps. Once you
remove it, XP runs beautiful. Firefox Also warns you about to many
redirections and has better, or should I say clear privacy control.
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Firefox is just excellent in my opinion

I still can't get it to stay as default though.....
 
Cris said:
Hi:





Maybe you can try:

tools/options/default browser...

Regards
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Nope, doesnt work, IE just regains default browser dominance upon next
reboot. I don't think this is the best place to discuss this problem.
I'll just take it to the MozillaZine forum....
 
Wood Contour said in news:[email protected]:
After the non-stop issues with IE 6, I took FireFox 0.9 for a ride. By
the end of the day I wiped(almost all of it) out IE, OE and Outlook. I
run mozilla thunderbird for e-mail and NG, no hang-ups, no delays,
just pure fun.
http://mozilla.org
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How about cookie managment? Does Mozilla include cookie domain
whitelisting?

I use PopUp Cop. Although I got it to give me some fine-tuned control
over popups and other content, along with the ability to have different
irritation levels, it also gave me cookie whitelisting. Any cookie
whose domain is not in PopUp Cop's whitelist will get forcibly purged
when the last instance of IE gets exited (PopUp Cop work with only IE).
I have about a dozen of whitelisted domains whose cookies I allow to
remain after exiting IE. All non-whitelisted cookies will get deleted.
This forces all non-whitelisted cookies to be per-session cookies.

Many times a cookie is needed for full functionality of a web site. If
you block their cookie then you can't use their web site or parts of it
are disabled or malformed. But I don't want to keep their cookie
around, either. So, in IE, I have cookie management set to: allow 1st
party cookies, block 3rd party cookies, and allow per-session cookies.
In PopUp Cop, only a few domains are whitelisted for cookies, so any 1st
party permanent cookies that aren't whitelisted are forced to behave
like per-session cookies. Does Mozilla have anything like this for
cookie management? If not, I'll stick with IE with PopUp Cop.

Does Mozilla have anything as granular for control of popups, flash
movies, eyelets, irritation levels (would be great if I could assign
them on a per-site basis, too), text marquees, meta-refresh, disable
script mouse tricks or timers (but not disable scripts), resizing, and
other features as does PopUp Cop? Can I block popups in general, but
allow popups from whitelisted domains (but also choose to block popups
from a whitelisted domain for specific URLs for an annoying
nonfunctional popup from a domain where most popups are allowed)? Will
Mozilla get rid of the "ad squares" from freebie Geocities personal web
pages?

I'm not trying to advertize PopUp Cop. If Mozilla has those features
then it is definitely worth taking the time to analyze. If it doesn't
then it would be a waste of my time to find out I lose features moving
to Mozilla. I have a lot of extra features provided by PopUp Cop that
would be sorely missed if they were not also a feature in Mozilla.

I once tried Thunderbird but went back to OE when I felt that I wasn't
getting anything more than what OE already provided. However, I've
noticed that rules in OE are abysmally moronic. For example, I cannot
define a newgroup rule to check for the presence of "NNTP-Posting-Host"
or other headers. Or that a "References" header actually exists when
the Subject is prefixed with "Re:" (as required by RFC 1036) to delete
any posts by someone pretending they are answering someone when, in
fact, they are just spewing out an original post. Or to flag messages
from Microsoft "communities" web page users by looking for "Microsoft
CDO" in the headers. I have found the coloring rules don't always get
applied on a Refresh in OE (so I can see where my posts are within a
watched thread). So how powerful are the rules in Thunderbird?

Is it possible to get the help file for Mozilla (and Thunderbird)
without actually installing them?
 
*Vanguard* said:
Wood Contour said in


How about cookie managment? Does Mozilla include cookie domain
whitelisting?

I use PopUp Cop. Although I got it to give me some fine-tuned control
over popups and other content, along with the ability to have different
irritation levels, it also gave me cookie whitelisting. Any cookie
whose domain is not in PopUp Cop's whitelist will get forcibly purged
when the last instance of IE gets exited (PopUp Cop work with only IE).
I have about a dozen of whitelisted domains whose cookies I allow to
remain after exiting IE. All non-whitelisted cookies will get deleted.
This forces all non-whitelisted cookies to be per-session cookies.

Many times a cookie is needed for full functionality of a web site. If
you block their cookie then you can't use their web site or parts of it
are disabled or malformed. But I don't want to keep their cookie
around, either. So, in IE, I have cookie management set to: allow 1st
party cookies, block 3rd party cookies, and allow per-session cookies.
In PopUp Cop, only a few domains are whitelisted for cookies, so any 1st
party permanent cookies that aren't whitelisted are forced to behave
like per-session cookies. Does Mozilla have anything like this for
cookie management? If not, I'll stick with IE with PopUp Cop.

Does Mozilla have anything as granular for control of popups, flash
movies, eyelets, irritation levels (would be great if I could assign
them on a per-site basis, too), text marquees, meta-refresh, disable
script mouse tricks or timers (but not disable scripts), resizing, and
other features as does PopUp Cop? Can I block popups in general, but
allow popups from whitelisted domains (but also choose to block popups
from a whitelisted domain for specific URLs for an annoying
nonfunctional popup from a domain where most popups are allowed)? Will
Mozilla get rid of the "ad squares" from freebie Geocities personal web
pages?

I'm not trying to advertize PopUp Cop. If Mozilla has those features
then it is definitely worth taking the time to analyze. If it doesn't
then it would be a waste of my time to find out I lose features moving
to Mozilla. I have a lot of extra features provided by PopUp Cop that
would be sorely missed if they were not also a feature in Mozilla.

I once tried Thunderbird but went back to OE when I felt that I wasn't
getting anything more than what OE already provided. However, I've
noticed that rules in OE are abysmally moronic. For example, I cannot
define a newgroup rule to check for the presence of "NNTP-Posting-Host"
or other headers. Or that a "References" header actually exists when
the Subject is prefixed with "Re:" (as required by RFC 1036) to delete
any posts by someone pretending they are answering someone when, in
fact, they are just spewing out an original post. Or to flag messages
from Microsoft "communities" web page users by looking for "Microsoft
CDO" in the headers. I have found the coloring rules don't always get
applied on a Refresh in OE (so I can see where my posts are within a
watched thread). So how powerful are the rules in Thunderbird?

Is it possible to get the help file for Mozilla (and Thunderbird)
without actually installing them?
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I will not try to answer most of it, since I do not know, but here are
some answers;
The mozilla extensions have cookie managers to the degree that you are
looking for, or pretty close. Look at
http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/showlist.php?type=E&application=firefox&category=Privacy&numpg=
The cookie issue us simpler then you describe it, and from what i read
can be managed with the built in cookie manager.

Pop Ups has rules where you can allow sites to pop-up or not. Irritation
level? for me any pop-up is an irritation.

How about tabbing? Will IE ever allow tabbed browsing? Or should we for
ever have to open piles of new windows?

As far as Thunderbird rules, again, many features you are looking for
are here, many are not. The point I was trying to make is simple: you do
not need hundreds of bells or whistles to get something working. I can
also ask if OE can spell check without Word installed?
How well does OE handle junk?

Sincerely
 
Wood Contour said in news:[email protected]:
I will not try to answer most of it, since I do not know, but here are
some answers;
The mozilla extensions have cookie managers to the degree that you are
looking for, or pretty close. Look at
http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/showlist.php?type=E&application=firefox&category=Privacy&numpg=
The cookie issue us simpler then you describe it, and from what i read
can be managed with the built in cookie manager.
Click to expand...

That's why I was wondering if the help file was available separately
without doing any install of Mozilla and Thunderbird since many of my
questions might get answered in the included help file(s).
Pop Ups has rules where you can allow sites to pop-up or not.
Irritation level? for me any pop-up is an irritation.
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Don't know about now, but when I created x.509 certs at Thawte (for
digital signatures and encryption of e-mail), they popped open a
separate window as part of the the registration process to create a new
cert. Many sites will pop open a new window when you click on a help
link so you don't lose your current navigation to the page with the
content on which you seeked help. So you want to trust those sites for
popups. However, also at Thawte was a highly irritating popup that
notified me that I could change my userid from my social security number
to a username. I didn't want to change but I'd get blasted with this
nuisance popup everytime I wanted to use Thawte to login to my Personal
Certs account. So I could whitelist thawte.com in PopUp Cop to let me
manage my certs (so the site was actually functional) but I could also
blacklist the URL for this one particular nuisance popup.
How about tabbing? Will IE ever allow tabbed browsing? Or should we
for ever have to open piles of new windows?
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Sure it does. The "tabs" are the buttons in the taskbar. But I get
your point (that you don't want the "tabs" for IE mixed in with every
other application that is open). For users that want to use a SDI
(single document interface) because they are program-centric in their
focues instead of using MDI (multiple document interface) because they
are document-centric in focus but still want to stick with IE then they
could use the freebie Avant shell (http://www.avantbrowser.com/) or
MYIE2 (http://www.myie2.com/). Or use the Desktop Manager powertoy for
Windows XP to use a separate virtual desktop for IE, or even use
separate desktops for different categories of IE, like one desktop for
reading a game forum, another desktop for researching overclocking, and
another to isolate instances of IE for Google searches. For all those
folks that like to laud Unix over Windows, they are quite familiar with
using multiple desktops to organize their windows.
As far as Thunderbird rules, again, many features you are looking for
are here, many are not. The point I was trying to make is simple: you
do not need hundreds of bells or whistles to get something working. I
can also ask if OE can spell check without Word installed?
How well does OE handle junk?
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I don't use OE for e-mail, only for newsgroups. OE sucks regarding its
miniscule set of rules (in having almost no power) for spam filtering or
message handling, so I use Outlook with its more potent rule set (in
conjunction with SpamPal and its plug-ins which, by the way, works just
as well as for OE and there is a RegEx plug-in for SpamPal and can
probably work okay with Thunderbird, but SpamPal won't do squat to help
filter newsgroup posts). If I were to use Thunderbird, it would only be
for newsgroups.
 
Still with XP SP2 as pointed out by experts there is the absence of tabbed
browsing:
"Sadly, IE is still missing two crucial features. First, IE doesn't offer
the handy tabbed browsing feature that virtually every single other browser
product on the market now offers. This feature lets you open secondary
windows inside the same browser window, and not in separate windows, as IE
requires. It lets you open multiple Web pages at a time without the mess of
having multiple IE windows cluttering your desktop and taskbar. Well, at
least it would if Microsoft offered it. Right now, you have to turn to
competitors like Mozilla Firefox and Opera to get tabbed browsing." Paul
Thurrot http://www.winsupersite.com/
 
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