True or evil conspiracy theory

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Morgan Ohlson

If you worked for the government, would you then sometimes want to penetrate
privat owned computers somtimes?

Actually kid-porn-hunters allready do this. Probably also
economic-police-agencies and others.


Would they like to have easy ways to "open your computer" for file search?
Naturally yes!!!

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Would they then like to cowork with antivirus /anti-adware manufacturers?
(could be to be able to use some undetected trojans freely)
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Could such government activities /co-operations keep anti-virus applications
limited which also could allow non serious hackers (stalkers) to use trojans
and maybe other tools undetected?


Morgan O.
 
I always figured Microsoft and the US Government would be mutually
supportive.

Shane

Yeas, but how does antivirus-appl. developers most likely adapt /react to
such coop's ???


Morgan O.
 
Morgan Ohlson said:
Yeas, but how does antivirus-appl. developers most likely adapt /react to
such coop's ???

Oh, so that's where you went (lol!).

What I mean to imply is that Windows (some component thereof) will do the
ratting (sic). AV won't have any say in it.

Shane
 
Morgan Ohlson said:
If you worked for the government, would you then sometimes want to
penetrate
privat owned computers somtimes?

Actually kid-porn-hunters allready do this. Probably also
economic-police-agencies and others.


Would they like to have easy ways to "open your computer" for file search?
Naturally yes!!!

------------
Would they then like to cowork with antivirus /anti-adware manufacturers?
(could be to be able to use some undetected trojans freely)
------------

Could such government activities /co-operations keep anti-virus
applications
limited which also could allow non serious hackers (stalkers) to use
trojans
and maybe other tools undetected?
The Government unbeknownst to most people made as a condition of the suit
against M$ being a slap on the wrist for M$ to do just that; but keep it
under your hat<s>


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Morgan Ohlson said:
If you worked for the government, would you then sometimes want to penetrate
privat owned computers somtimes?

Actually kid-porn-hunters allready do this. Probably also
economic-police-agencies and others.


Would they like to have easy ways to "open your computer" for file search?
Naturally yes!!!

------------
Would they then like to cowork with antivirus /anti-adware manufacturers?
(could be to be able to use some undetected trojans freely)
------------

Could such government activities /co-operations keep anti-virus applications
limited which also could allow non serious hackers (stalkers) to use trojans
and maybe other tools undetected?

Possible, but how well do you suppose they could keep such a thing
secret. You are basically asking a spyware question and anti-virus (or
general malware detectors) may be politically or economically influenced
to not provide coverage for a particular one. How could a power
structure influence "all" of them and keep it secret enough so that
detectors for that particular item don't start popping up everywhere?
 
Possible, but how well do you suppose they could keep such a thing
secret. You are basically asking a spyware question and anti-virus (or
general malware detectors) may be politically or economically influenced
to not provide coverage for a particular one. How could a power
structure influence "all" of them and keep it secret enough so that
detectors for that particular item don't start popping up everywhere?

There couldn't be any secret for the simple reason that there is no
such thing as a undectable RAT. The Trojans would very soon be
analyzed and described in detail in all kinds of technical journals,
listservers, newsgroups and web sites. Experts would write removal
utilities and make them freely available. The media would be
publishing newspaper articles about the "mysterious virus" that
av vendors refuse to add detection for.

Knowing this, such a silly idea would be laughed right out the door by
av vendors in the first place.

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg
 
They don't waste their time with bullshit conspiracy theories.

Here in Sweden a documentary was shown on TV how Norvegian police operate
hunting kid-porn-pictures /movies.

Naturally it wasn't completly theoretally described how they did the work...
But in one part it was shown how the police-hackers was waiting, rather
nervous around some computer which was working on penetrating a private
persons computer.

Some cospiracy theories are "impossible".... but some is more or less a
fact...

Morgan O.
 
There couldn't be any secret for the simple reason that there is no
such thing as a undectable RAT. The Trojans would very soon be
analyzed and described in detail in all kinds of technical journals,
listservers, newsgroups and web sites. Experts would write removal
utilities and make them freely available. The media would be
publishing newspaper articles about the "mysterious virus" that
av vendors refuse to add detection for.

Knowing this, such a silly idea would be laughed right out the door by
av vendors in the first place.

Seems to be fair reasoning.

....but does really all virus skanners detect, or even try to detect all
spywares?


By the way. How difficoult would you say that it is to penetrate a private
PC with a freeware antivirus guard and a free firewall?


Morgan O.
 
Seems to be fair reasoning.

...but does really all virus skanners detect, or even try to detect all
spywares?

No, but the reasoning and silliness of the idea is the same.
By the way. How difficoult would you say that it is to penetrate a private
PC with a freeware antivirus guard and a free firewall?

If your question has to do with difficulties of cracking software
firewalls, I have no idea since I'm not a hacker/cracker. If
you're paranoid, use a external router/firewall plus a software
firewall. And in addition to that, make sure you've hardened
your OS and disabled all unnecessary services. You should
also install all critical security patches, etc. That you should
do whether you're paranoid or not :)

If your question is really along the lines of "how safe am I from
malware", it depends on the quality of the av scanner to some
extent, but it depends primarily on the user and whether or not
he uses his head and practices "safe hex". Never rely on
protection software to do what YOU need to do to protect
your PC. I'm no fan of any of the free av. IMO it pays off
for typical users to use a top notch av and quit scewring around
with the free ones.

Use Spybot and AdAware periodically to check your PC. And use
a alternative browser. "Driveby" spyware (and malware) from web
sites is primarily aimed at IE, and users who leave scripting and
activex enabled in IE. not to mention its unpatched vulnerabilites.

Art

http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg
 
Art said:
There couldn't be any secret for the simple reason that there is no
such thing as a undectable RAT.

A RAT is not the only way to access a remote computer, but it is
correct - what you say. The reason I stated the OP was asking a spyware
question was because of this fact - that remote access software can be
detected and analyzed and the only hope for secrecy would be a true
conspiracy involving "all" (in the know) participants. This is an
impossibility.
The Trojans would very soon be
analyzed and described in detail in all kinds of technical journals,
listservers, newsgroups and web sites. Experts would write removal
utilities and make them freely available. The media would be
publishing newspaper articles about the "mysterious virus" that
av vendors refuse to add detection for.

Yes, as I said too "popping up" everywhere.
Knowing this, such a silly idea would be laughed right out the door by
av vendors in the first place.

True. I can't believe that the AV industry would be involved in such a
conspiracy.

But I can believe that coders put trapdoors in their code and that the
'powers that be' could be cognizant of this specific "easter egg" type
of access. There may even be hardware related conspiracies built into
the chips. :))
 
Morgan Ohlson said:
Seems to be fair reasoning.

Enough to be clear that AVers wouldn't likely be involved in such a
conspiracy.
...but does really all virus skanners detect, or even try to detect all
spywares?

It seems if one does - the others must follow suit to stay competitive.
By the way. How difficoult would you say that it is to penetrate a private
PC with a freeware antivirus guard and a free firewall?

Depends entirely on the software involved. Some time ago many people
were quite happy to be safe using "BlackIce" - but in reality the added
software added a vulnerability. Same can be said for some AV programs
that scanned e-mail and uncompressed certain archive filetypes with an
exploitable uncompression routine library. There is something inherently
wrong with trying to increase system security by increasing software
complexity.
 
True. I can't believe that the AV industry would be involved in such a
conspiracy.

But I can believe that coders put trapdoors in their code and that the
'powers that be' could be cognizant of this specific "easter egg" type
of access. There may even be hardware related conspiracies built into
the chips. :))

But... isn't it true that encryptattion has been limited to keep the big
projects insight at reasonable speeds!?

....If so, it could be regarded av a clue about what happens.


Morgan O.
 
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