TRUE about ULTIMATE EDITION

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Is it true that..

(1) Ultimate Edition will only be available for the Enterprise Accounts -
(EA)

(2) Ultimate Editions still require activation?
 
Tadik said:
Is it true that..

(1) Ultimate Edition will only be available for the Enterprise
Accounts - (EA)

(2) Ultimate Editions still require activation?
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1) No - Ultimate Edition will be available as a retail product - only
Enterprise Edition will only be available to volume license
purchasers, such as those buying under Select or an Enterprise
Agreement(EA).
see
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/editions/enterprise.mspx
"...
Windows Vista Enterprise will only be available to customers who have
PCs covered by Microsoft Software Assurance or a Microsoft Enterprise
Agreement.

The Windows Vista Enterprise edition is only available to Microsoft
Volume License customers, it is not available for retail purchase.
...."

2) Yes - retail Ultimate Edition requires activation.
 
Mike Brannigan said:
1) No - Ultimate Edition will be available as a retail product - only
Enterprise Edition will only be available to volume license purchasers,
such as those buying under Select or an Enterprise Agreement(EA).
see
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/editions/enterprise.mspx
"...
Windows Vista Enterprise will only be available to customers who have PCs
covered by Microsoft Software Assurance or a Microsoft Enterprise
Agreement.

The Windows Vista Enterprise edition is only available to Microsoft Volume
License customers, it is not available for retail purchase.
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soooooo..this edition won't require activation ?
 
Protoncek (ex. SleeperMan) said:
soooooo..this edition won't require activation ?
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No. The answer to question one is only about which edition is
available to volume licensing customers exclusively.

The requirement to activate even for VL purchased products has changed
in particular the use of MAK Keys [ Multiple Activation Key (MAK).]
see
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2006/oct06/10-04SoftwareProtection.mspx

"...
PressPass: How will the Software Protection Platform affect activation
of Windows Vista in enterprises with large numbers of PCs?

Hartje: There are several ways that customers acquire product. Many
will choose to have Windows Vista installed by an OEM on a new PC.
Some customers will upgrade existing Windows XP machines to Windows
Vista. For these customers, the implementation of the Software
Protection Platform for Windows Vista and Windows Server "Longhorn"
provides a flexible set of technical and policy-related solutions,
called Microsoft Volume Activation 2.0. This helps provide a more
secure deployment solution with multiple, flexible options for
customers using volume license keys to deploy many installations of
the Windows Vista operating system in one location. This process can
be done in batches or individually by PC. We will have deployment
guides available for those who are going to plan an enterprise-wide
Windows Vista upgrade.

These improved security and deployment technologies for volume
licensing keys benefit customers by reducing the risk associated with
the theft, leakage and illegal use of their volume licensing keys, as
well as ensuring that the copies of Windows in an organization have
not been tampered with.

...."

Also read
http://download.microsoft.com/downl...c1db829637f5/10-03-06SoftwareProtectionWP.doc
for more details about MAK and Microsoft Volume Activation 2.0
 
Mike Brannigan said:
Protoncek (ex. SleeperMan) said:
soooooo..this edition won't require activation ?
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No. The answer to question one is only about which edition is available to
volume licensing customers exclusively.

The requirement to activate even for VL purchased products has changed in
particular the use of MAK Keys [ Multiple Activation Key (MAK).]
see
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2006/oct06/10-04SoftwareProtection.mspx

"...
PressPass: How will the Software Protection Platform affect activation of
Windows Vista in enterprises with large numbers of PCs?

Hartje: There are several ways that customers acquire product. Many will
choose to have Windows Vista installed by an OEM on a new PC. Some
customers will upgrade existing Windows XP machines to Windows Vista. For
these customers, the implementation of the Software Protection Platform
for Windows Vista and Windows Server "Longhorn" provides a flexible set of
technical and policy-related solutions, called Microsoft Volume Activation
2.0. This helps provide a more secure deployment solution with multiple,
flexible options for customers using volume license keys to deploy many
installations of the Windows Vista operating system in one location. This
process can be done in batches or individually by PC. We will have
deployment guides available for those who are going to plan an
enterprise-wide Windows Vista upgrade.

These improved security and deployment technologies for volume licensing
keys benefit customers by reducing the risk associated with the theft,
leakage and illegal use of their volume licensing keys, as well as
ensuring that the copies of Windows in an organization have not been
tampered with.

..."

Also read
http://download.microsoft.com/downl...c1db829637f5/10-03-06SoftwareProtectionWP.doc
for more details about MAK and Microsoft Volume Activation 2.0
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hm...complicated...from i understand, it will be much harder to use illegal
copy of vista..if at all possible...

I wonder...OK, i understand that if i buy OS together with a PC, it's locked
to a current PC. SO, if i change major parts of a PC, a new license is
needed. But, if i buy retail version, it's not locked to a PC, so, how is
that solved? How many times could such OS be activated and how frequently?
ok, this has been covered already, but i'd like to hear in common words, not
so detailed as M$ states (like on above link...)
 
Protoncek (ex. SleeperMan) said:
hm...complicated...from i understand, it will be much harder to use
illegal copy of vista..if at all possible...

I wonder...OK, i understand that if i buy OS together with a PC, it's
locked to a current PC. SO, if i change major parts of a PC, a new license
is needed. But, if i buy retail version, it's not locked to a PC, so, how
is that solved? How many times could such OS be activated and how
frequently? ok, this has been covered already, but i'd like to hear in
common words, not so detailed as M$ states (like on above link...)
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As I've read:

You will be able to 'activate' 10 times (beyond that at MS discretion, but
if they have hundreds of crooks calling in saying "can you extend my
activation on this product id" which is the same product key they'll have
reason to suspect something is up), but only the most current 'activation'
is 'legal' and qualifies for updates, etc. In other words, it includes
your unique activation/key pair to identify your system/software, and that
information is used to limit your rights and abilities.

-Rob
 
Rob W said:
As I've read:

You will be able to 'activate' 10 times (beyond that at MS discretion, but
if they have hundreds of crooks calling in saying "can you extend my
activation on this product id" which is the same product key they'll have
reason to suspect something is up), but only the most current 'activation'
is 'legal' and qualifies for updates, etc. In other words, it includes
your unique activation/key pair to identify your system/software, and that
information is used to limit your rights and abilities.

-Rob
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OK, 10 times is somewhat enough, i guess. Now it's only to decide which
version to buy...i think that ultimate is out of the game, so i'll have to
see what i loose with not buying it...
 
Protoncek (ex. SleeperMan) said:
OK, 10 times is somewhat enough, i guess. Now it's only to decide which
version to buy...i think that ultimate is out of the game, so i'll have to
see what i loose with not buying it...
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You can buy less expensive version initially and upgrade it to another
edition later on when you get ready finansically or need features not
available in your edition.

See Windows Anytime Upgrade FAQ for more info (watch line wrapping in URL):
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/37070041-1b90-4433-be0c-ab2855841b981033.mspx
 
Re: "Now it's only to decide which version to buy...i think that
ultimate is out of the game"

I originally thought that ultimate was out of the question, but I'm
reconsidering that. While the "full" version of ultimate is $400, the
upgrade version is $259. This will probably be discounted slightly by
the retailers ($229 ?). Best Buy periodically sends out 10% off coupons
to all of their "reward zone members" that would take the price down to
$207. Here in this part of Northeast Ohio, we can buy Best Buy gift
cards for 88 cents on the dollar in essentially unlimited quantities
(it's a long story). That takes it down to $182, which while high, is a
lot more manageable than $400.

Additionally, at introduction, there are likely to be some truly great
rebate bundle deals. Unfortunately, it's likely that Best Buy won't
have a 10% reward zone coupon operative at the same time, but I can
always hope.
 
Barry Watzman said:
Re: "Now it's only to decide which version to buy...i think that ultimate
is out of the game"

I originally thought that ultimate was out of the question, but I'm
reconsidering that. While the "full" version of ultimate is $400, the
upgrade version is $259. This will probably be discounted slightly by the
retailers ($229 ?). Best Buy periodically sends out 10% off coupons to
all of their "reward zone members" that would take the price down to $207.
Here in this part of Northeast Ohio, we can buy Best Buy gift cards for 88
cents on the dollar in essentially unlimited quantities (it's a long
story). That takes it down to $182, which while high, is a lot more
manageable than $400.

Additionally, at introduction, there are likely to be some truly great
rebate bundle deals. Unfortunately, it's likely that Best Buy won't have
a 10% reward zone coupon operative at the same time, but I can always
hope.
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damn you, americans... :-))))
you always have so good deals ...all gift coupons, rebates, and all sort of
stuff...

is there any price list out which versions will be available as retail and
at which prices ? OK, now i know that ultimate will be 400 $ (in USA,
sure...).
 
Every country's Microsoft division sets the prices for that country, so
no, I can't tell you what you will have to pay. Even Canada is
different from the USA.

But yes, between rebates, coupons, promotions and other stuff,
technology products are probably cheaper here than in most parts of the
world.
 
Barry Watzman said:
Every country's Microsoft division sets the prices for that country, so
no, I can't tell you what you will have to pay. Even Canada is different
from the USA.

But yes, between rebates, coupons, promotions and other stuff, technology
products are probably cheaper here than in most parts of the world.
:-(((((
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Not only that, but our versions won't have WMP and certain other things
"removed" to "protect" us from big, bad Microsoft.
 
Barry Watzman said:
Not only that, but our versions won't have WMP and certain other things
"removed" to "protect" us from big, bad Microsoft.
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OH...so europe versions won't have WMP? man...how we'll listen the music
then . . .
 
Protoncek said:
OH...so europe versions won't have WMP? man...how we'll listen the music
then . . .
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Well, it was your elected officials that made the decision to compel
Microsoft to remove those features that were deemed inappropriate because of
competing products, sooooo... either vote those duly elected officials out
of office or use one of the competing products (or both).
 
Mark D. VandenBerg said:
Well, it was your elected officials that made the decision to compel
Microsoft to remove those features that were deemed inappropriate because
of competing products, sooooo... either vote those duly elected officials
out of office or use one of the competing products (or both).
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at the end, it's not so bad... i mean, i can always install WMP separately
if i want to, while if i don't , it won't bother me... same could be with
internet explorer, as it can be installed stand-alone.
 
Protoncek said:
at the end, it's not so bad... i mean, i can always install WMP separately
if i want to, while if i don't , it won't bother me... same could be with
internet explorer, as it can be installed stand-alone.
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Oh I know, but to me it seems a classic case of, "Be careful what you ask
for... you might get it."
 
Mark D. VandenBerg said:
Oh I know, but to me it seems a classic case of, "Be careful what you ask
for... you might get it."
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Actually, I think it's a wise decision competition-wise. If you have WMP
installed and working out of the box, probably you'll never look for
anything else and that seems unfair to vendors that do not own a platform.
If you don't, you might ask yourself "Hmm, ok I can download and install WMP
but what's the best player on the market I can afford (will like most)?" and
choose wisely. Middleware is a weapon of software platform monopoly. That's
obvious.

Oh, and AFAIK at least for XP, "N" versions are not mandatory on euro
market. If you want XP without WMP, you can buy "N" edition. But you still
can buy standard version with all stuff included.
 
Alexander Suhovey said:
Actually, I think it's a wise decision competition-wise. If you have WMP
installed and working out of the box, probably you'll never look for
anything else and that seems unfair to vendors that do not own a platform.
If you don't, you might ask yourself "Hmm, ok I can download and install
WMP but what's the best player on the market I can afford (will like
most)?" and choose wisely. Middleware is a weapon of software platform
monopoly. That's obvious.

Oh, and AFAIK at least for XP, "N" versions are not mandatory on euro
market. If you want XP without WMP, you can buy "N" edition. But you still
can buy standard version with all stuff included.
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i guess that N edition is not much cheaper, if at all...
 
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