Trouble saving with Win 7.

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I am signed on to Win 7 as administrator (( I think.)) I am the
owner and only user of my computer.
The problem I have is when I want to save something. Win 7 only
wants to let me save stuff in the USER or LIBRARIES directories.
It says I don't have permission to save elsewhere.

I can make a directory anywhere I want.
Usually I can even make and save a text file ( I assume other files as
well but txt/rtf are what I mostly use). But if I try to edit the
file, then Win 7 gets kind of miffed at me.

Today I came across a program - Corel's Labels@Once.
I tried to save a file that I created with Corel's program but Win 7
was not having any of that.
So I tried to create a Directory. No problem, see below:

c:\Program Files (x86)\Corel\Saved Labels\


Then I tried to save a file there. No luck. Tried to create a file
there. No luck.
Now I am not a complete newbie or idiot. I checked the properties
and got:

•Read Only
I think this means SOME of the files are READ ONLY.
I Clicked the "radio button" again and got a CHECK MARK which I think
means ALL Are READ ONLY.
Clicked again and the button was empty and I selected OK.
I then double checked PROPERTIES again and BAM! it was back like I had
done nothing to it. I tried several times to change it and make it
stay - no luck.


I went to a directory that I made off of C: Root.
Several directories down I checked a DIR and it showed the same:
•Read Only

I checked the properties of each file in the DIR and NO file was READ
ONLY. Yet, I can make new DIRs and files in it with no problems.

If I have explained this so someone can at least tentively follow it,
and they are willing and able to help me, I would be most grateful.


As an aside and to cloudy the water even more, here is something else
that occurs and I don't know if this is a Bug or a feature.
But in a DIRECTORY that I control - ie. I can make sub DIRs and create
files. If I make a file, lets say Test Word File.Txt and I write
some text in it I am able to save it without any problems.
But many times I realize that I need to add much more text and need
more features so I change the files EXTENTION from TXT to RTF.
When I double click I open the file with Wordpad. Then I edit and
type until I'm typed out. But, when I go to save I get a msg saying
"You are about to save the document in a TEXT only format, which will
remove all formating. Are you sure you want to do this?"
"To save in other format, click NO."

Now I don't want to lose the formatting and I understand the message
well, but here is the rub. If I select NO, it opens up another
window showing where I may save the file and it is never the original
location of the file but always in the DOCUMENTS directory.
Is this because DOCUMENTS is the default dir for text files or what?
If some of you who are gifted in windows can help shed some light on
any of my questions, I would be most thankful to you. I live to
learn but it seems as if windows changes too fast for me to keep up
with.

But still, if you have even read this far I thank you.
If you are able to provide some help, than I thank you even more.
And if you only want to flame me, weLL flame away.
 
Roy Baldone said:
I am signed on to Win 7 as administrator (( I think.)) I am the
owner and only user of my computer.
The problem I have is when I want to save something. Win 7 only
wants to let me save stuff in the USER or LIBRARIES directories.
It says I don't have permission to save elsewhere.

I can make a directory anywhere I want.
Usually I can even make and save a text file ( I assume other files as
well but txt/rtf are what I mostly use). But if I try to edit the
file, then Win 7 gets kind of miffed at me.

Today I came across a program - Corel's Labels@Once.
I tried to save a file that I created with Corel's program but Win 7
was not having any of that.
So I tried to create a Directory. No problem, see below:

c:\Program Files (x86)\Corel\Saved Labels\


Then I tried to save a file there. No luck. Tried to create a file
there. No luck.
Now I am not a complete newbie or idiot. I checked the properties
and got:

•Read Only
I think this means SOME of the files are READ ONLY.
I Clicked the "radio button" again and got a CHECK MARK which I think
means ALL Are READ ONLY.
Clicked again and the button was empty and I selected OK.
I then double checked PROPERTIES again and BAM! it was back like I had
done nothing to it. I tried several times to change it and make it
stay - no luck.


I went to a directory that I made off of C: Root.
Several directories down I checked a DIR and it showed the same:
•Read Only

I checked the properties of each file in the DIR and NO file was READ
ONLY. Yet, I can make new DIRs and files in it with no problems.

If I have explained this so someone can at least tentively follow it,
and they are willing and able to help me, I would be most grateful.
Click to expand...

Maybe read some of these.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...r-making/938f2b50-b063-475b-8c5e-905d136df2e3

If you are sure that you do not have a virus, and that you are not
susceptible to a virus, I guess this might be useful.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/507-built-administrator-account-enable-disable.html
As an aside and to cloudy the water even more, here is something else
that occurs and I don't know if this is a Bug or a feature.
But in a DIRECTORY that I control - ie. I can make sub DIRs and create
files. If I make a file, lets say Test Word File.Txt and I write
some text in it I am able to save it without any problems.
But many times I realize that I need to add much more text and need
more features so I change the files EXTENTION from TXT to RTF.
When I double click I open the file with Wordpad. Then I edit and
type until I'm typed out. But, when I go to save I get a msg saying
"You are about to save the document in a TEXT only format, which will
remove all formating. Are you sure you want to do this?"
"To save in other format, click NO."

Now I don't want to lose the formatting and I understand the message
well, but here is the rub. If I select NO, it opens up another
window showing where I may save the file and it is never the original
location of the file but always in the DOCUMENTS directory.
Is this because DOCUMENTS is the default dir for text files or what?
Click to expand...

That's just one of Windows persistent annoyances. There are lots more.

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Roy said:
I am signed on to Win 7 as administrator (( I think.)) I am the
owner and only user of my computer.
The problem I have is when I want to save something. Win 7 only
wants to let me save stuff in the USER or LIBRARIES directories.
It says I don't have permission to save elsewhere.

I can make a directory anywhere I want.
Usually I can even make and save a text file ( I assume other files as
well but txt/rtf are what I mostly use). But if I try to edit the
file, then Win 7 gets kind of miffed at me.

Today I came across a program - Corel's Labels@Once.
I tried to save a file that I created with Corel's program but Win 7
was not having any of that.
So I tried to create a Directory. No problem, see below:

c:\Program Files (x86)\Corel\Saved Labels\


Then I tried to save a file there. No luck. Tried to create a file
there. No luck.
Now I am not a complete newbie or idiot. I checked the properties
and got:

•Read Only
I think this means SOME of the files are READ ONLY.
I Clicked the "radio button" again and got a CHECK MARK which I think
means ALL Are READ ONLY.
Clicked again and the button was empty and I selected OK.
I then double checked PROPERTIES again and BAM! it was back like I had
done nothing to it. I tried several times to change it and make it
stay - no luck.


I went to a directory that I made off of C: Root.
Several directories down I checked a DIR and it showed the same:
•Read Only

I checked the properties of each file in the DIR and NO file was READ
ONLY. Yet, I can make new DIRs and files in it with no problems.

If I have explained this so someone can at least tentively follow it,
and they are willing and able to help me, I would be most grateful.


As an aside and to cloudy the water even more, here is something else
that occurs and I don't know if this is a Bug or a feature.
But in a DIRECTORY that I control - ie. I can make sub DIRs and create
files. If I make a file, lets say Test Word File.Txt and I write
some text in it I am able to save it without any problems.
But many times I realize that I need to add much more text and need
more features so I change the files EXTENTION from TXT to RTF.
When I double click I open the file with Wordpad. Then I edit and
type until I'm typed out. But, when I go to save I get a msg saying
"You are about to save the document in a TEXT only format, which will
remove all formating. Are you sure you want to do this?"
"To save in other format, click NO."

Now I don't want to lose the formatting and I understand the message
well, but here is the rub. If I select NO, it opens up another
window showing where I may save the file and it is never the original
location of the file but always in the DOCUMENTS directory.
Is this because DOCUMENTS is the default dir for text files or what?
If some of you who are gifted in windows can help shed some light on
any of my questions, I would be most thankful to you. I live to
learn but it seems as if windows changes too fast for me to keep up
with.

But still, if you have even read this far I thank you.
If you are able to provide some help, than I thank you even more.
And if you only want to flame me, weLL flame away.
Click to expand...

Windows 7 does not allow saving things in "Program Files". So you
can forget about that right away. In fact, programs which do such
things (and there are some), are in for a surprise.

Windows 7 has a workaround or "compatibility fix" it does, for the
programs that do that. It creates a fake directory below \users\RBaldone,
where it keeps the files in question. The program may think it is reading
from Program Files (x86)\Corel\Saved Labels\... , but the files are
actually coming from the user area.

Your home directory is probably something like C:\users\RBaldone and
data files could go down there.

You cannot write directly under C:\ as that is forbidden as well.
These preventatives are to fight malware.

An account called "TrustedInstaller" is allows to write to the
Program Files folder. In other words, when a program is being
installed, a special account is used to do the writes. Other
accounts are not allowed to do that. And you can't log in
as TrustedInstaller either.

Folders have a "Read Only" bit, but it isn't actually used for that.

I don't know what kind of account you have, whether it's "limited user"
or "administrator" or whatever. But you should be able to save into
C:\users\RBaldone kind of area, at the very least.

*******

You can look at this page. Not the text or anything. Let's look
at a picture.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Working-with-files-and-folders

The "gold" is hiding under "Computer". You see how the Libraries got
top billing. But if you click computer, you can burrow into the
partition of your choosing. You can then go to C:\users\RBaldone
or whatever. And do your saving if you want.

http://res2.windows.microsoft.com/r...n/e1cc646e-5a59-48c6-a52b-97153bfdb767_49.jpg

I have a Windows 7 machine - it's my laptop. But it's not in front
of me right now. If it was, I could take screenshots. And my
current WinXP machine wouldn't be an acceptable substitute
for this (as it doesn't have Libraries).

I would hope, in all cases, you can eventually get a regular
file save dialog. You shouldn't be stuck with only libraries.
Perhaps a "Save As..." would bring up a dialog, where you could
select .rtf or .doc or whatever, and at the same time, a regular
file system directory would be displayed.

Libraries do have a "Default Save" option, so you can delegate one
folder to receive new files for that library. But you should also
be able to escape Libraries entirely.

Libraries are useful, in limited contexts. For example, when I set up
video streaming with Windows Media Player, being able to add several
folders to a library, with the video files in them, was convenient.
But for more regular work, like the kind you're describing, I would
not be using a library. My brain doesn't work that way. I make
file names descriptive, placing key words in them, and locate them
later by searching on keyword. I do make folders and subfolders,
but mainly for clutter reduction. For example, I would have a
JPEG6 folder, which would contain all the jpeg files cleaned out of
my main data directory. If tomorrow, I needed to clean up the
JPEGs again, I would create a JPEG7 folder. Reason being, to avoid
file name collisions.

I didn't use "My Documents" structure on WinXP, and I don't use
Libraries for their intended purpose for the most part in Windows 7.
But there are some situations, such as setting up video streaming,
where the concept makes sense. Because in that case, you're "gathering"
content, and trying to create a virtual central "store" of all of
that kind of content. Libraries are good for that. But when I'm editing
a readme.txt file, that is not a "gathering of content". And I resort to
my own devices, for managing the data.

My main data directory is:

25,217,999,001 bytes
36,806 files
3,714 folders.

Really big downloads, like Linux LiveCD ISO9660 files, go on
a separate partition, which is much larger. My virtual machines
(up to 30GB in size), go on a separate partition as well.
Anything CD sized or larger, is taken off my main data directory
and put in a "pig storage" area :-) The main data directory is for
smaller files. Or things created by me. When the main data directory
"slows down", that's when I clean it up.

If you do a Google search on "Take Ownership" or "TakeOwn", there
are web sites that offer a registry file which will add a context
menu item to your right-click menu. If something "foreign" is
encountered, you can make it belong to yourself with Take Ownership.
On my laptop, I've not had to rely on that, so don't have that
installed in the Context (right-click) menu. But many people do have
that.

Paul
 
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