Trouble adding user or group

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Ok, on two of my Home Lan nodes (one is a desktop and other a laptop)
Both running WinXP pro sp3.
I have the following done on BOTH:
1. Created logon passwords for each (desktop & laptop) owner user account.
2. Set simple file sharing OFF, i.e open Explore->Tools->Folder->View
and scrolled down to Use Simple File Sharing and UNCHECKED this.
3. Made sure these two were installed
Client for MS Networks
File & Print Sharing for MS Networks
Did this by going to
NetworkPlaces->ViewNetworkConnections->MyNetworkConnection
and right clicked-> chose properties
4. Rebooted both machines
5. Now when I am booted and logged onto the desktop I can direct my filehandler
to the Network\\SharedFolder location on my Laptop and it does in fact the
pop up and ask me my Laptop password and I can then see the folder contents.
That much works.
HOWEVER, if I log in on my laptop and try to goto the Network\\SharedFolder
location on my desktop I get two scenarios,
1. if I click on the plus + sign of the SharedFolderName I get an
Access Denied msg.
2. if I click on the actual SharedFolderName I get this big long msg that say
"The credentials supplied conflict with an existing set of credentials. Try to close all
network paths and disconnect all network drives connected to the specified server.
Then try to connect this network path again."
Which I do but it does not help. I can tell you one thing that is different on my laptop,
When I go to the user accts->myUserAcct->MangagePasswords (off to the left)
it will not let me add the desktop, in fact it won't let me add anything all the headings
are grayed out ????????????
Got any ideas .
 
RB said:
Ok, on two of my Home Lan nodes (one is a desktop and other a laptop)
Both running WinXP pro sp3.
I have the following done on BOTH:
1. Created logon passwords for each (desktop & laptop) owner user account.
2. Set simple file sharing OFF, i.e open Explore->Tools->Folder->View
and scrolled down to Use Simple File Sharing and UNCHECKED this.
3. Made sure these two were installed
Client for MS Networks
File & Print Sharing for MS Networks
Did this by going to
NetworkPlaces->ViewNetworkConnections->MyNetworkConnection
and right clicked-> chose properties
4. Rebooted both machines
5. Now when I am booted and logged onto the desktop I can direct my filehandler
to the Network\\SharedFolder location on my Laptop and it does in fact the
pop up and ask me my Laptop password and I can then see the folder contents.
That much works.
HOWEVER, if I log in on my laptop and try to goto the Network\\SharedFolder
location on my desktop I get two scenarios,
1. if I click on the plus + sign of the SharedFolderName I get an
Access Denied msg.
2. if I click on the actual SharedFolderName I get this big long msg that say
"The credentials supplied conflict with an existing set of credentials. Try to close all
network paths and disconnect all network drives connected to the specified server.
Then try to connect this network path again."
Which I do but it does not help. I can tell you one thing that is different on my laptop,
When I go to the user accts->myUserAcct->MangagePasswords (off to the left)
it will not let me add the desktop, in fact it won't let me add anything all the headings
are grayed out ????????????
Got any ideas .
Click to expand...

Make sure both hosts are in the same-named workgroup (doesn't sound like
your hosts are in a domain). See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307874.
Although it says being in the same workgroup is necessary when using simple
sharing, and despite that you say that you have turned off simple sharing,
this is a troubleshooting step since it is often not necessary to have your
own intranet hosts in different workgroups.

Disabling the Guest account also disables some MS network services; see:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb418978.aspx

When not participating in a domain, protection is afforded for the resources
offered by the remote host by using the Guest account because it is NOT an
administrator-level account. The Guest account is also described in the
Microsoft KB article at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/300489. Here they
conflict with their advice above by recommending to NOT disable the Guest
account. However, almost every security scanner checking for hardness of
your host will tell you to disable this account because of default of not
having a password to login. They tell you to create a normal user account
(i.e., a limited user account) instead of using the Guest account. The real
problem is have a Guest account with no password. If you trust your own
intranet hosts that are not on a domain and want to share files between
them, and especially if those intranet hosts are behind a router with NAT
(which has its own firewall), then you don't need to be concern about
possible hacking into your intranet hosts as long as the Guest account has a
password on it.

"Tips for creating a strong password"
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-us/help/37565844-50dc-47e7-9260-a5a0e903db571033.mspx
(just one scheme for strong passwords; other schemes are also viable)

Also read:
http://windowsitpro.com/article/articleid/49437/windows-guest-account-best-practices.html
http://www.ghacks.net/2007/12/03/disable-the-windows-xp-guest-account-correctly/
http://www.lockergnome.com/windows/2005/01/14/the-guest-account-is-the-hackers-holy-grail/

Until I read the above, I couldn't figure out why file sharing ceased to
function between my host OS and a guest OS in a virtual machine (and I had
to resort to using VirtualPC's shared folder feature which is part of the VM
Additions install). If you decide to enable the Guest account and turn it
on, be sure to set a STRONG password on it.
 
Make sure both hosts are in the same-named workgroup
Click to expand...

They are in the same workgroup (by previous setup )
Disabling the Guest account also disables some MS network services; see:
Click to expand...

Well I checked and the guest acct was not disabled. So I tried to give it
a password but that capability does not show up in it's window (like is does
in my owner acct window) . So then I disabled the guest acct since I
cannot seem to get the lan access going anyhow.
This really is disappointing and at this point I just don't really know what
else to do except go back to unsecure simple file sharing.
 
RB said:
They are in the same workgroup (by previous setup )


Well I checked and the guest acct was not disabled. So I tried to give it
a password but that capability does not show up in it's window (like is does
in my owner acct window) . So then I disabled the guest acct since I
cannot seem to get the lan access going anyhow.
This really is disappointing and at this point I just don't really know what
else to do except go back to unsecure simple file sharing.
Click to expand...

In the Windows Firewall, did you enable the "file & printer sharing"
exclusion? If using a 3rd party firewall (or some other security product
that might regulate network connections), you'll have to find out how to
configure it to allow the proper ports and listening processes on them.
 
RB said:
Ok, on two of my Home Lan nodes (one is a desktop and other a laptop)
Both running WinXP pro sp3.
I have the following done on BOTH:
1. Created logon passwords for each (desktop & laptop) owner user account.
2. Set simple file sharing OFF, i.e open Explore->Tools->Folder->View
and scrolled down to Use Simple File Sharing and UNCHECKED this.
3. Made sure these two were installed
Client for MS Networks
File & Print Sharing for MS Networks
Did this by going to
NetworkPlaces->ViewNetworkConnections->MyNetworkConnection
and right clicked-> chose properties
4. Rebooted both machines
5. Now when I am booted and logged onto the desktop I can direct my filehandler
to the Network\\SharedFolder location on my Laptop and it does in fact the
pop up and ask me my Laptop password and I can then see the folder contents.
That much works.
HOWEVER, if I log in on my laptop and try to goto the Network\\SharedFolder
location on my desktop I get two scenarios,
1. if I click on the plus + sign of the SharedFolderName I get an
Access Denied msg.
2. if I click on the actual SharedFolderName I get this big long msg that say
"The credentials supplied conflict with an existing set of credentials. Try to close all
network paths and disconnect all network drives connected to the specified server.
Then try to connect this network path again."
Which I do but it does not help. I can tell you one thing that is different on my laptop,
When I go to the user accts->myUserAcct->MangagePasswords (off to the left)
it will not let me add the desktop, in fact it won't let me add anything all the headings
are grayed out ????????????
Got any ideas .
Click to expand...

Sounds to me like you might have a persistent connection to the resource
under a different name or password. You might try issuing the following
commands at the command prompt and then see if you can connect to the
resource with your credentials:

net use /persistent:no
net use * /d

(Answer Yes to disconnect from the resource(s), then try with your
credentials again).

John
 
Hi John, I tried you suggestions but I still got Access Denied when I tried
to access the shared node folder, so I played around with net and got the
following results. If you can spot any pertinent info from these please let
me know.
==================
from a fresh boot I tried these (return from net is shown under each cmd

net use /persistent:no
The command completed successfully

net use * /d
There are no entries in the list.

net use
New connections will not be remembered.
There are no entries in the list.

* Then I try to access the node and get
"Access Denied" msge

So then I immediately go back and run net again and get these,

net use
New connections will not be remembered.
Status Local Remote Network
----------------------------------------------------
OK \\Desktop\DesktopShared Microsoft Windows Network
The command completed successfully.

net use * /d
You have these remote connections:
\\Desktop\DesktopShared
Continuing will cancel the connections.
Do you want to continue this operation? (Y/N) [N]:

---So obviously there is something going (but not right) here.
You have any input on this ?
Also I have never used this "net" before, is there anything I can mess up (permanetly) with it ?
Also I found the below (clicking around on my laptop inside control panel) if you would comment

ControlPanel(ClassicView)->AdministrativeTools->LocalSecurityPolicies->LocalPolicies->UserRightsAssignment click on Access this
computer from the network, then click on Add User or Group (make sure node is on that you want to assign) then click on Locations
and select the desired ComputerName or WorkgroupName and then click OK, then click Advanced, then click Find and up pops all the
Computers in the selected Workgroup
(or all the users and groups on the selected ComputerName)

I get a message that says "You are about to change this setting to a value that may affect
compatability with client
I kinda get the feeling that this is not going to help my problem anyhow so I clicked cancel to the above.
 
RB said:
Yes, I did this, but it did not make any difference.
Click to expand...

Are these hosts connected through a switch? Or through a router?

If a router, some of them permit restricting access to some intranet hosts
by other intranet hosts. That is, just because, for example, everyone in
your family is using the same ISP doesn't mean you trust all those hosts to
let them have access to yours. To that end, you can let the intranet hosts
have Internet access but not to other hosts connected to that router.
Check your router's settings, especially its firewall settings. Or just
reset the router and then power cycle it and retest.
 
RB said:
Hi John, I tried you suggestions but I still got Access Denied when I tried
to access the shared node folder, so I played around with net and got the
following results. If you can spot any pertinent info from these please let
me know.
==================
from a fresh boot I tried these (return from net is shown under each cmd

net use /persistent:no
The command completed successfully

net use * /d
There are no entries in the list.

net use
New connections will not be remembered.
There are no entries in the list.

* Then I try to access the node and get
"Access Denied" msge

So then I immediately go back and run net again and get these,

net use
New connections will not be remembered.
Status Local Remote Network
----------------------------------------------------
OK \\Desktop\DesktopShared Microsoft Windows Network
The command completed successfully.

net use * /d
You have these remote connections:
\\Desktop\DesktopShared
Continuing will cancel the connections.
Do you want to continue this operation? (Y/N) [N]:

---So obviously there is something going (but not right) here.
You have any input on this ?
Also I have never used this "net" before, is there anything I can mess up (permanetly) with it ?
Also I found the below (clicking around on my laptop inside control panel) if you would comment

ControlPanel(ClassicView)->AdministrativeTools->LocalSecurityPolicies->LocalPolicies->UserRightsAssignment click on Access this
computer from the network, then click on Add User or Group (make sure node is on that you want to assign) then click on Locations
and select the desired ComputerName or WorkgroupName and then click OK, then click Advanced, then click Find and up pops all the
Computers in the selected Workgroup
(or all the users and groups on the selected ComputerName)

I get a message that says "You are about to change this setting to a value that may affect
compatability with client
I kinda get the feeling that this is not going to help my problem anyhow so I clicked cancel to the above.
Click to expand...

You're not going to mess up anything permanently with the Net command,
the net command is very useful when troubleshooting network problems.

Has the "The credentials supplied conflict wiht..." error message
completely disappeared? What happens now when you try making the
connection?

After you attempt the connection go back to the command prompt and issue
the NET VIEW command.

Please give us the *exact* error messages.

John
 
Well everything is run through my linksys router which connects to the cable modem.
So I have a basic NAT as I understand it running with the router being the dhcp host.
But I have changed nothing in the router, it is the same as it was for sometime when
all the nodes were on Simple File Sharing (all nodes could see shared folders then
with no password) . My goal was to implement pswd control on all shared folders
(on all nodes) but my laptop will not allow me the change to type in a pswd but
rather says Access Denied". I did look into the router setup after you wrote this
and did not see anything to that effect. I assume you are talking about where
certain MACs or IPs are blocked (or allowed), but the router setup has none blocked
and allows a "range" of IPs that encompasses all of my dhcp IPs shown. In the
past I had thought of only allowing my MACs till I read that MACs can be cloned
so what good would that do.
Anyhow I still have been unable to implement pswd control on shared items.
I added some "net" return data in my reply to John (this thread) if you would look
at it and comment it would be appreciated.
 
on boot up this morning (of my laptop with desktop already runnning)
I got a msg during boot that said something to the effect of,
svhost could not write at memory address........
click ok or click cancel to debug
---Sorry but I saw this before I read your post about giving "all" of
the msg. This particular one was "very" long.
I have an HP printer shared off the Desktop and I wonder how this is playing
into all of this new pswd access scenario ? It still prints without asking
any password. And sitting at the Desktop there is a whole string
of hp drivers checked when I look at the Firewall->Exceptions along with
the File and print sharing
--------

Now as to your new net return requests (these are all from fresh boot
at my laptop, before I tried to access any nodes)

First I tried a
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
net use
New connections will not be remembered.

There are no entries in the list.
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

and then I tried,
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
net user

User accounts for \\
--------------------------------------------------------
Administrator ASPNET Guest
HelpAssistant Owner.RB SUPPORT_388945a0
The command completed with one or more errors.
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

So then I tried to access the Desktop node from the
filehandler and I got the following messages:

1.(first time I ever got this one)
"Unable to browse Network
Network is not present or started"
(this is really strange, never got this one before, I can
get on the internet from a browser but can not see local
Lan. I get a feeling this has something to do with this
mornings svhost msg. It is really getting amazing to me
what all has happened just because I wanted to add pswd
implementation to my LAN)

2.So now I'm faced with trying to get something started
with net, so I try
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
net start
< a big long list of stuff started>
The command completed successfully.
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

I then try to access the Lan again in the filehandler
I get same msg, I basically now have no network.
So I reboot, this time no svchost msg just an unusual screen flicker
during the boot process.
After reboot:
I then try net again and get these
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
net use
New connections will not be remembered.

There are no entries in the list.
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

then
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
net view
Server Name Remark
\\RB-LAPTOP Gateway
\\DESKTOP
The command completed successfully
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

So now again I try the shared node access thru filehandler
This time the network will expand in the filehandler Tree
but when I click on the plus + sign I get this msg
"\\Desktop\DesktopSharedFolder is not accessible. You might not have
permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of
this server to find out if you have access permissions.
Access is Denied"
and if I click on the actual DesktopSharedFolder name (beside the + )
then I get a very brief err msg box saying "Access Denied"
So immediately I go to a shell window and try
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
net use
New Connections will not be remembered
Status Local Remote Network
OK \\Desktop\DesktopSharedFolder Microsoft Windows Network
The command completey successfully
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

So then I go to the Desktop and try to access the laptop
and it works (as it always has) flawlessly and first prompts
me for my laptop passord which I gave it.

Then I go back to my laptop and check net stuff again
and nothing different everything reports same
Then I try to access the desktop share from my laptop again
Same err msg "Access denied"

I could not replicate the one "The credentials supplied conflict ...." msg I quoted to you the
other day. It never showed up this time. There is one thing that keep hanging my
mind, and that is, why won't my lsptop's user acct ManagePasswords
window let me add anything ( like my Desktop's did ) instead my
Laptop's window for this has everything grayed out. What is up
with this ?
========previous messages=========================
John John - MVP said:
RB said:
Hi John, I tried you suggestions but I still got Access Denied when I tried
to access the shared node folder, so I played around with net and got the
following results. If you can spot any pertinent info from these please let
me know.
==================
from a fresh boot I tried these (return from net is shown under each cmd

net use /persistent:no
The command completed successfully

net use * /d
There are no entries in the list.

net use
New connections will not be remembered.
There are no entries in the list.

* Then I try to access the node and get
"Access Denied" msge

So then I immediately go back and run net again and get these,

net use
New connections will not be remembered.
Status Local Remote Network
----------------------------------------------------
OK \\Desktop\DesktopShared Microsoft Windows Network
The command completed successfully.

net use * /d
You have these remote connections:
\\Desktop\DesktopShared
Continuing will cancel the connections.
Do you want to continue this operation? (Y/N) [N]:

---So obviously there is something going (but not right) here.
You have any input on this ?
Also I have never used this "net" before, is there anything I can mess up (permanetly) with it ?
Also I found the below (clicking around on my laptop inside control panel) if you would comment

ControlPanel(ClassicView)->AdministrativeTools->LocalSecurityPolicies->LocalPolicies->UserRightsAssignment click on Access this
computer from the network, then click on Add User or Group (make sure node is on that you want to assign) then click on Locations
and select the desired ComputerName or WorkgroupName and then click OK, then click Advanced, then click Find and up pops all the
Computers in the selected Workgroup
(or all the users and groups on the selected ComputerName)

I get a message that says "You are about to change this setting to a value that may affect
compatability with client
I kinda get the feeling that this is not going to help my problem anyhow so I clicked cancel to the above.
Click to expand...

You're not going to mess up anything permanently with the Net command, the net command is very useful when troubleshooting network
problems.

Has the "The credentials supplied conflict wiht..." error message completely disappeared? What happens now when you try making
the connection?

After you attempt the connection go back to the command prompt and issue the NET VIEW command.

Please give us the *exact* error messages.

John
Click to expand...
 
Is File and Printer Sharing enabled on both computers?

Please disable all the firewalls while you troubleshoot the LAN
problems, if need be disconnect from the internet while the firewalls
are disabled. Do not neglect this important step, firewalls are often
at the root of networking problems and they should be completely
disabled while diagnosing and troubleshooting network connectivity.

John
on boot up this morning (of my laptop with desktop already runnning)
I got a msg during boot that said something to the effect of,
svhost could not write at memory address........
click ok or click cancel to debug
---Sorry but I saw this before I read your post about giving "all" of
the msg. This particular one was "very" long.
I have an HP printer shared off the Desktop and I wonder how this is playing
into all of this new pswd access scenario ? It still prints without asking
any password. And sitting at the Desktop there is a whole string
of hp drivers checked when I look at the Firewall->Exceptions along with
the File and print sharing
--------

Now as to your new net return requests (these are all from fresh boot
at my laptop, before I tried to access any nodes)

First I tried a
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
net use
New connections will not be remembered.

There are no entries in the list.
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

and then I tried,
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
net user

User accounts for \\
--------------------------------------------------------
Administrator ASPNET Guest
HelpAssistant Owner.RB SUPPORT_388945a0
The command completed with one or more errors.
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

So then I tried to access the Desktop node from the
filehandler and I got the following messages:

1.(first time I ever got this one)
"Unable to browse Network
Network is not present or started"
(this is really strange, never got this one before, I can
get on the internet from a browser but can not see local
Lan. I get a feeling this has something to do with this
mornings svhost msg. It is really getting amazing to me
what all has happened just because I wanted to add pswd
implementation to my LAN)

2.So now I'm faced with trying to get something started
with net, so I try
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
net start
< a big long list of stuff started>
The command completed successfully.
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

I then try to access the Lan again in the filehandler
I get same msg, I basically now have no network.
So I reboot, this time no svchost msg just an unusual screen flicker
during the boot process.
After reboot:
I then try net again and get these
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
net use
New connections will not be remembered.

There are no entries in the list.
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

then
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
net view
Server Name Remark
\\RB-LAPTOP Gateway
\\DESKTOP
The command completed successfully
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

So now again I try the shared node access thru filehandler
This time the network will expand in the filehandler Tree
but when I click on the plus + sign I get this msg
"\\Desktop\DesktopSharedFolder is not accessible. You might not have
permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of
this server to find out if you have access permissions.
Access is Denied"
and if I click on the actual DesktopSharedFolder name (beside the + )
then I get a very brief err msg box saying "Access Denied"
So immediately I go to a shell window and try
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
net use
New Connections will not be remembered
Status Local Remote Network
OK \\Desktop\DesktopSharedFolder Microsoft Windows Network
The command completey successfully
|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

So then I go to the Desktop and try to access the laptop
and it works (as it always has) flawlessly and first prompts
me for my laptop passord which I gave it.

Then I go back to my laptop and check net stuff again
and nothing different everything reports same
Then I try to access the desktop share from my laptop again
Same err msg "Access denied"

I could not replicate the one "The credentials supplied conflict ...." msg I quoted to you the
other day. It never showed up this time. There is one thing that keep hanging my
mind, and that is, why won't my lsptop's user acct ManagePasswords
window let me add anything ( like my Desktop's did ) instead my
Laptop's window for this has everything grayed out. What is up
with this ?
========previous messages=========================
John John - MVP said:
RB said:
Hi John, I tried you suggestions but I still got Access Denied when I tried
to access the shared node folder, so I played around with net and got the
following results. If you can spot any pertinent info from these please let
me know.
==================
from a fresh boot I tried these (return from net is shown under each cmd

net use /persistent:no
The command completed successfully

net use * /d
There are no entries in the list.

net use
New connections will not be remembered.
There are no entries in the list.

* Then I try to access the node and get
"Access Denied" msge

So then I immediately go back and run net again and get these,

net use
New connections will not be remembered.
Status Local Remote Network
----------------------------------------------------
OK \\Desktop\DesktopShared Microsoft Windows Network
The command completed successfully.

net use * /d
You have these remote connections:
\\Desktop\DesktopShared
Continuing will cancel the connections.
Do you want to continue this operation? (Y/N) [N]:

---So obviously there is something going (but not right) here.
You have any input on this ?
Also I have never used this "net" before, is there anything I can mess up (permanetly) with it ?
Also I found the below (clicking around on my laptop inside control panel) if you would comment

ControlPanel(ClassicView)->AdministrativeTools->LocalSecurityPolicies->LocalPolicies->UserRightsAssignment click on Access this
computer from the network, then click on Add User or Group (make sure node is on that you want to assign) then click on Locations
and select the desired ComputerName or WorkgroupName and then click OK, then click Advanced, then click Find and up pops all the
Computers in the selected Workgroup
(or all the users and groups on the selected ComputerName)

I get a message that says "You are about to change this setting to a value that may affect
compatability with client
I kinda get the feeling that this is not going to help my problem anyhow so I clicked cancel to the above.
Click to expand...
You're not going to mess up anything permanently with the Net command, the net command is very useful when troubleshooting network
problems.

Has the "The credentials supplied conflict wiht..." error message completely disappeared? What happens now when you try making
the connection?

After you attempt the connection go back to the command prompt and issue the NET VIEW command.

Please give us the *exact* error messages.

John
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Forgot to add to make sure that the Workstation service is running.

John
Is File and Printer Sharing enabled on both computers?

Please disable all the firewalls while you troubleshoot the LAN
problems, if need be disconnect from the internet while the firewalls
are disabled. Do not neglect this important step, firewalls are often
at the root of networking problems and they should be completely
disabled while diagnosing and troubleshooting network connectivity.

John
on boot up this morning (of my laptop with desktop already runnning)
I got a msg during boot that said something to the effect of,
svhost could not write at memory address........
click ok or click cancel to debug
---Sorry but I saw this before I read your post about giving "all" of
the msg. This particular one was "very" long.
I have an HP printer shared off the Desktop and I wonder how this is
playing
into all of this new pswd access scenario ? It still prints without
asking
any password. And sitting at the Desktop there is a whole string
of hp drivers checked when I look at the Firewall->Exceptions along with
the File and print sharing
--------

Now as to your new net return requests (these are all from fresh boot
at my laptop, before I tried to access any nodes)

First I tried a
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net use
New connections will not be remembered.

There are no entries in the list.
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and then I tried,
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net user

User accounts for \\
--------------------------------------------------------
Administrator ASPNET Guest
HelpAssistant Owner.RB SUPPORT_388945a0
The command completed with one or more errors.
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So then I tried to access the Desktop node from the
filehandler and I got the following messages:

1.(first time I ever got this one)
"Unable to browse Network
Network is not present or started"
(this is really strange, never got this one before, I can
get on the internet from a browser but can not see local
Lan. I get a feeling this has something to do with this
mornings svhost msg. It is really getting amazing to me
what all has happened just because I wanted to add pswd
implementation to my LAN)

2.So now I'm faced with trying to get something started
with net, so I try
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net start
< a big long list of stuff started>
The command completed successfully.
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I then try to access the Lan again in the filehandler
I get same msg, I basically now have no network.
So I reboot, this time no svchost msg just an unusual screen flicker
during the boot process.
After reboot:
I then try net again and get these
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net use
New connections will not be remembered.

There are no entries in the list.
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then
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net view
Server Name Remark
\\RB-LAPTOP Gateway
\\DESKTOP
The command completed successfully
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So now again I try the shared node access thru filehandler
This time the network will expand in the filehandler Tree
but when I click on the plus + sign I get this msg
"\\Desktop\DesktopSharedFolder is not accessible. You might not have
permission to use this network resource. Contact the administrator of
this server to find out if you have access permissions.
Access is Denied"
and if I click on the actual DesktopSharedFolder name (beside the + )
then I get a very brief err msg box saying "Access Denied"
So immediately I go to a shell window and try
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net use
New Connections will not be remembered
Status Local Remote Network
OK \\Desktop\DesktopSharedFolder Microsoft Windows Network
The command completey successfully
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So then I go to the Desktop and try to access the laptop
and it works (as it always has) flawlessly and first prompts
me for my laptop passord which I gave it.

Then I go back to my laptop and check net stuff again
and nothing different everything reports same
Then I try to access the desktop share from my laptop again
Same err msg "Access denied"

I could not replicate the one "The credentials supplied conflict ...."
msg I quoted to you the
other day. It never showed up this time. There is one thing that keep
hanging my
mind, and that is, why won't my lsptop's user acct ManagePasswords
window let me add anything ( like my Desktop's did ) instead my
Laptop's window for this has everything grayed out. What is up
with this ?
========previous messages=========================
John John - MVP said:
RB wrote:
Hi John, I tried you suggestions but I still got Access Denied when
I tried
to access the shared node folder, so I played around with net and
got the
following results. If you can spot any pertinent info from these
please let
me know.
==================
from a fresh boot I tried these (return from net is shown under each
cmd

net use /persistent:no
The command completed successfully

net use * /d
There are no entries in the list.

net use
New connections will not be remembered.
There are no entries in the list.

* Then I try to access the node and get
"Access Denied" msge

So then I immediately go back and run net again and get these,

net use
New connections will not be remembered.
Status Local Remote Network
----------------------------------------------------
OK \\Desktop\DesktopShared Microsoft Windows Network
The command completed successfully.

net use * /d
You have these remote connections:
\\Desktop\DesktopShared
Continuing will cancel the connections.
Do you want to continue this operation? (Y/N) [N]:

---So obviously there is something going (but not right) here.
You have any input on this ?
Also I have never used this "net" before, is there anything I can
mess up (permanetly) with it ?
Also I found the below (clicking around on my laptop inside control
panel) if you would comment

ControlPanel(ClassicView)->AdministrativeTools->LocalSecurityPolicies->LocalPolicies->UserRightsAssignment
click on Access this computer from the network, then click on Add
User or Group (make sure node is on that you want to assign) then
click on Locations and select the desired ComputerName or
WorkgroupName and then click OK, then click Advanced, then click
Find and up pops all the Computers in the selected Workgroup
(or all the users and groups on the selected ComputerName)

I get a message that says "You are about to change this setting to a
value that may affect
compatability with client
I kinda get the feeling that this is not going to help my problem
anyhow so I clicked cancel to the above.
You're not going to mess up anything permanently with the Net
command, the net command is very useful when troubleshooting network
problems.

Has the "The credentials supplied conflict wiht..." error message
completely disappeared? What happens now when you try making the
connection?

After you attempt the connection go back to the command prompt and
issue the NET VIEW command.

Please give us the *exact* error messages.

John
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
RB said:
Well everything is run through my linksys router which connects to the cable modem.
So I have a basic NAT as I understand it running with the router being the dhcp host.
But I have changed nothing in the router, it is the same as it was for sometime when
all the nodes were on Simple File Sharing (all nodes could see shared folders then
with no password) . My goal was to implement pswd control on all shared folders
(on all nodes) but my laptop will not allow me the change to type in a pswd but
rather says Access Denied". I did look into the router setup after you wrote this
and did not see anything to that effect. I assume you are talking about where
certain MACs or IPs are blocked (or allowed), but the router setup has none blocked
and allows a "range" of IPs that encompasses all of my dhcp IPs shown. In the
past I had thought of only allowing my MACs till I read that MACs can be cloned
so what good would that do.
Click to expand...

No, what you describe is whether or not a particular host can even use the
switch component of the router (i.e., whether it can connect to the Internet
and to other intranet hosts). Not all routers have the feature that I
described where you can decide which intranet hosts could access other
intranet hosts. I had this feature in a D-Link router. When that fried, I
replaced it with a Linksys router but lost that feature.

On host A, you want to have it access a shared folder on host B. Does host
B have a password that you use to login under the account where you elected
to share the folder?

What are the permissions (i.e., which groups are listed) for the shared
folder? Is the Everyone group included and what permissions do they have on
that folder? Are those permissions copied onto the child files & folders?
See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/277644.
 
Is File and Printer Sharing enabled on both computers?
Click to expand...

Yes but SimpleFile&PrintSharing is off
Please disable all the firewalls while you troubleshoot the LAN problems,
Click to expand...

The windows firewall has always been disabled. The only reason I referred to the
filewall was the note of the HP drivers being in the exceptions list along with
File and Printer Sharing I could try disabling the
Bitdefender firewall but it has never given me a problem under SimpleFile&PrintSharing
since it allows a ip range of allowed Local Lan address.
Forgot to add to make sure that the Workstation service is running.
Click to expand...

I'm wondering if I could just scrap windows networking and buy Laplink for Windows
would that be a secure option ?
 
RB said:
Yes but SimpleFile&PrintSharing is off


The windows firewall has always been disabled. The only reason I referred to the
filewall was the note of the HP drivers being in the exceptions list along with
File and Printer Sharing I could try disabling the
Bitdefender firewall but it has never given me a problem under SimpleFile&PrintSharing
since it allows a ip range of allowed Local Lan address.


I'm wondering if I could just scrap windows networking and buy Laplink for Windows
would that be a secure option ?
Click to expand...

You didn't confirm the all very important status of the Workstation
service. Make sure that the service is set to Automatic start.

Laplink for Windows? You gotta be kidding?!?! I just got a flashback
to DOS and the 1980's!

John
 
Ok wasn't sure what all would help so tried to get everything that seemed like
what you wanted.
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net statistics workstation
Workstation Statistics for \\RB-LAPTOP
Statistics since 3/3/2010 7:00 PM
Bytes received 33769
Server Message Blocks (SMBs) received 327
Bytes transmitted 39391
Server Message Blocks (SMBs) transmitted 325
Read operations 0
Write operations 0
Raw reads denied 0
Raw writes denied 0

Network errors 0
Connections made 19
Reconnections made 0
Server disconnects 0

Sessions started 0
Hung sessions 0
Failed sessions 0
Failed operations 0
Use count 37
Failed use count 6
The command completed successfully.
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net statistics server
Server Statistics for \\RB-LAPTOP
Statistics since 3/3/2010 7:00 PM

Sessions accepted 1
Sessions timed-out 0
Sessions errored-out 0

Kilobytes sent 0
Kilobytes received 0

Mean response time (msec) 0

System errors 0
Permission violations 0
Password violations 0

Files accessed 0
Communication devices accessed 0
Print jobs spooled 0

Times buffers exhausted

Big buffers 0
Request buffers 0
The command completed successfully.
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net view
Server Name Remark
-----------------------------------------
\\RB-LAPTOP Gateway
\\DESKTOP
The command completed successfully.
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net config workstation
Computer name \\RB-LAPTOP
Full Computer name RB-Laptop
User name Owner.RB

Workstation active on
NetbiosSmb (000000000000)
NetBT_Tcpip_{72F9CC0C-509F-45A0-85A7-1FE1CC4F6328} (0014A5D030F6)

Software version Windows 2002

Workstation domain RB_HOME <-this is our workgroup name
from what I have read it is
not a domain.
Workstation Domain DNS Name (null)
Logon domain RB-LAPTOP

COM Open Timeout (sec) 0
COM Send Count (byte) 16
COM Send Timeout (msec) 250
The command completed successfully.
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net config server
Server Name \\RB-LAPTOP
Server Comment Gateway <-Brand of Laptop

Software version Windows 2002
Server is active on
NetbiosSmb (000000000000)
NetBT_Tcpip_{72F9CC0C-509F-45A0-85A7-1FE1CC4F6328} (0014a5d030f6)


Server hidden No
Maximum Logged On Users 10
Maximum open files per session 16384

Idle session time (min) 15
The command completed successfully.
 
The windows firewall has always been disabled. The only reason I referred to the
filewall was the note of the HP drivers being in the exceptions list along with
File and Printer Sharing I could try disabling the
Bitdefender firewall but it has never given me a problem under SimpleFile&PrintSharing
since it allows a ip range of allowed Local Lan address.
Click to expand...

I repeat, Please disable *ALL* firewalls while you troubleshoot the
problem, that includes the Bitdefender firewall! You have all kinds of
confusing errors and trying to troubleshoot this with firewalls in the
way is not the way to proceed!

John
 
Ok sorry it took me so long, our ISP has had intermittent problems the past 24hrs.
Maybe you can spot something from this, if you need something else let me know.
If you need to compare it with readings with the firewall on just look at my
previous listed post
RB
With firewall off on both desktop and laptop
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net statistics workstation
Workstation Statistics for \\RB-LAPTOP
Statistics since 3/4/2010 6:02 PM
Bytes received 29007
Server Message Blocks (SMBs) received 282
Bytes transmitted 35746
Server Message Blocks (SMBs) transmitted 280
Read operations 0
Write operations 0
Raw reads denied 0
Raw writes denied 0

Network errors 0
Connections made 36
Reconnections made 0
Server disconnects 0

Sessions started 0
Hung sessions 0
Failed sessions 0
Failed operations 0
Use count 42
Failed use count 9
The command completed successfully.
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net statistics server
Server Statistics for \\RB-LAPTOP
Statistics since 3/4/2010 6:02 PM
Sessions accepted 1
Sessions timed-out 0
Sessions errored-out 0

Kilobytes sent 0
Kilobytes received 0

Mean response time (msec) 0

System errors 0
Permission violations 0
Password violations 0

Files accessed 0
Communication devices accessed 0
Print jobs spooled 0

Times buffers exhausted

Big buffers 0
Request buffers 0
The command completed successfully.
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net view
Server Name Remark
---------------------------------------------------
\\RB-LAPTOP Gateway <-brand of laptop
\\DESKTOP
The command completed successfully.

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net config workstation
Computer name \\RB-LAPTOP
Full Computer name RB-Laptop
User name Owner.RB

Workstation active on
NetbiosSmb (000000000000)
NetBT_Tcpip_{72F9CC0C-509F-45A0-85A7-1FE1CC4F6328} (0014A5D030F6)

Software version Windows 2002

Workstation domain RB_HOME <-this is our workgroup
Workstation Domain DNS Name (null)
Logon domain RB-LAPTOP

COM Open Timeout (sec) 0
COM Send Count (byte) 16
COM Send Timeout (msec) 250
The command completed successfully.
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net config server
Server Name \\RB-LAPTOP
Server Comment Gateway <-brand of laptop

Software version Windows 2002
Server is active on
NetbiosSmb (000000000000)
NetBT_Tcpip_{72F9CC0C-509F-45A0-85A7-1FE1CC4F6328} (0014a5d030f6)

Server hidden No
Maximum Logged On Users 10
Maximum open files per session 16384

Idle session time (min) 15
The command completed successfully.
 
What error message(s) are you now getting when you try to access the share?

John
 
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