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Hi Friends

The HP Deskjet I stopped working and I find that only a new cartridge
will work. The old one is stamped 2005/05/13 and does it mean that the
cartridge will not work even if it has ink in it?

They started selling printers dirt cheap and sell the cartridge at 50%
of the printer cost.

Will I ever buy a HP product again?

I am sure that someone has found a way to circumvent this kind of user
unfriendly stuff.

Is there a way?

ClueLess
 
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Hi Friends

The HP Deskjet I stopped working and I find that only a new cartridge
will work. The old one is stamped 2005/05/13 and does it mean that the
cartridge will not work even if it has ink in it?
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Not sure what you mean. If you mean that refilling the old cart wont
work , yeah a lot of makers do that. They have a chip etc in the
cartridge that prevents you from refilling and using unless you reset
it.

You can buy resetters for some brands. HP - theres a few sites that
show you how to do the tape trick which works sometimes. You have to
cover some of the circuit on the old cartridge and then put it in and
then take it out and then put it in again.

For me - I tried it and it worked sometimes but other times I had
problems so instead of going through all that hassle I just bought
another printer. Unless you have a great photo printer then I would
just chuck it and get another printer. Of course if you did have an
expensive photo printer you probably would want to buy the proper
cartridges anyway despite the ridicolous prices for ink.

However if you dont ---- get either a cheapo laser printer for
documents in B&W. Its way way cheaper per page. Or get one of the low
end Canon printers. I got the 470i but they have phased that one out.
They have the pixma line now as low as 49 bucks everywhere.

Does it print first class photos ? Of course not. But it does an OK
all around job and the black ink is $8 everywhere and you can fill or
buy clone cartridges for far cheaper in bulk check Ebay and the usual
zillion ink sites online. The color is around 18 bucks at Offce
Depot, Compusa etc and far cheaper if you check ebay and the usual
clone ink places. I think I paid $12 around there for a Black ink
cart and color at one Clone place with a slight discount they added to
the price. The big difference is that Canon printers dont have the
head in the cartridge, its just an ink well. Also all ink jet cart
are also notorious for being tiny - many of the low end HPs are not
only expensive but small. The canons are also small but like I said
you can refil easily or buy in bulk at a really cheap price.

Youll end up paying at least 50 bucks or more for two HP cartridges
for your printer so paying $50 for a Canon 1500 pixma gets you the
printer and ink. They often have super rebate sales so you might be
able to get a higher end Canon for super cheap if you look around
possibly during the July 4th sales coming up.

You can also buy remanufactured HP cartridges but they tend to be more
so you end up spending maybe $25-30 instead of the usual $50-60 for
both cartridges and Ive read the color HP color cartridges can have
problems.
 
They started selling printers dirt cheap and sell the cartridge at 50%
of the printer cost.
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Sams Club has the most popular HP cartridges at a low price.

You can get genuine HP cartridges for less than store-remanufactured
units which never work quite right, like Office Max brand.

But you are right about the pricing if you buy from standard retail.
Gillette made a fortune selling razors cheap and then selling the
blades for a high profit. Polaroid did the same for their camera and
film until digital photography came along.

I can recommend the obvious - don't print so much. I used to print
every manual that came to my attention. I am still working off 5 reams
of scrap paper. I mean, who needs a manual for the Hayes modem command
set anymore?


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Bob said:
Sams Club has the most popular HP cartridges at a low price.

You can get genuine HP cartridges for less than store-remanufactured
units which never work quite right, like Office Max brand.

But you are right about the pricing if you buy from standard retail.
Gillette made a fortune selling razors cheap and then selling the
blades for a high profit. Polaroid did the same for their camera and
film until digital photography came along.

I can recommend the obvious - don't print so much. I used to print
every manual that came to my attention. I am still working off 5 reams
of scrap paper. I mean, who needs a manual for the Hayes modem command
set anymore?
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Do you want the manual I think I still have in the attic ? I'll throw
in a free boxed 'Concurrent PC DOS' with disks, 'IBM AT' and 'IBM XT'
hessian bound set of manuals!

Richard.
 
Bob said:
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I can recommend the obvious - don't print so much. I used to print
every manual that came to my attention. I am still working off 5
reams of scrap paper. I mean, who needs a manual for the Hayes
modem command set anymore?
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And get and install fineprint <http://fineprint.com> if you are
using some flavor of windoze. Linux I have no suggestions for.
The result is you are printing these things in slightly reduced
size and booklet (or other) form. Much easier to handle, file,
etc. than lots of big 8x11 sheets. Just a satisfied user for over
5 years.
 
And get and install fineprint <http://fineprint.com> if you are
using some flavor of windoze. Linux I have no suggestions for.
The result is you are printing these things in slightly reduced
size and booklet (or other) form. Much easier to handle, file,
etc. than lots of big 8x11 sheets. Just a satisfied user for over
5 years.
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Printing has become too expensive compared to disk space. I just keep
the disk files and refer to them when I need them. If I need a
particular section, I print it. Otherwise I do not use the printer for
large jobs any more.


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"The possession of arms is the distinction
between a free man and a slave."
-- Andrew Fletcher, Discourse on Government (1695)
 
I can recommend the obvious - don't print so much. I used to print
every manual that came to my attention. I am still working off 5 reams
of scrap paper. I mean, who needs a manual for the Hayes modem command
set anymore?
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Cartridges that expire make that backwards- to get the value
out of one you're better off printing as much as possible,
till the cart is used up. Not printing so much just results
in continually buying cartridges then having to throw them
out while still having a lot of ink remaining.

The obvious solution is a laser printer, then only buying
cartridges when you need do a lot of color printing. A few
prints may be more cost-effectively done at the local Kinkos
or other self-service digital photolabs.
 
Cartridges that expire make that backwards- to get the value
out of one you're better off printing as much as possible,
till the cart is used up. Not printing so much just results
in continually buying cartridges then having to throw them
out while still having a lot of ink remaining.
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Get cartridges that are new like at Sam's Club where inventory
turnover is very high.
The obvious solution is a laser printer, then only buying
cartridges when you need do a lot of color printing. A few
prints may be more cost-effectively done at the local Kinkos
or other self-service digital photolabs.
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For everyday printing, an inkjet is hard to beat. I got an Office Jet
with FAX, color printer, scanner and a ton of worthless s/w for $100
at Office Depot. As long as I buy new cartridges and don't print
everything I see, that's a pretty good deal. I need a FAX anyway, so
the rest of the machine is essentially free.


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Map of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/vrwc.html

"The possession of arms is the distinction
between a free man and a slave."
-- Andrew Fletcher, Discourse on Government (1695)
 
Get cartridges that are new like at Sam's Club where inventory
turnover is very high.
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That doesn't change the fact that reducing the printing does
not get more, rather less value out of each cartridge.


For everyday printing, an inkjet is hard to beat.
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No, they're the worst possible scenario.
They're slower per page,
cost more per page,
fooling around with clearing jets gets old quick.
I got an Office Jet
with FAX, color printer, scanner and a ton of worthless s/w for $100
at Office Depot. As long as I buy new cartridges and don't print
everything I see, that's a pretty good deal. I need a FAX anyway, so
the rest of the machine is essentially free.
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It's a fair deal for someone who needs an integral fax.
Otherwise, it all depends on how badly you need
mediam-quality color prints. For B&W, any random cheap
laser beats it hands-down. Models like Samsung 1740 have
been under $70 after rebates recently, and can be refilled
for about $10 with bulk toner. That's about 1/5th of a cent
per page.
 
The date given is only to indicate how old the ink is and that it should not
be used after that date as it has oxidized to the point that it may not work
well for printing purposes. I have never heard of an ink cartridge branded
to not work after a certain date, but I have seen dates on just about every
cartridge box as to show when the cartridge should be used. Think of
vitamins and when they're best used by.
 
The date given is only to indicate how old the ink is and that it should not
be used after that date as it has oxidized to the point that it may not work
well for printing purposes. I have never heard of an ink cartridge branded
to not work after a certain date, but I have seen dates on just about every
cartridge box as to show when the cartridge should be used. Think of
vitamins and when they're best used by.
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So what you are saying is that the inkjet cartridge will still work
after the expiration date, albeit with the risk that the ink is not as
good as fresh ink.


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Map of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/vrwc.html

"The possession of arms is the distinction
between a free man and a slave."
-- Andrew Fletcher, Discourse on Government (1695)
 
The date given is only to indicate how old the ink is and that it should not
be used after that date as it has oxidized to the point that it may not work
well for printing purposes. I have never heard of an ink cartridge branded
to not work after a certain date, but I have seen dates on just about every
cartridge box as to show when the cartridge should be used. Think of
vitamins and when they're best used by.
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That would be nice, but there are some that do expire,
as-in, the printer rejects them for use.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7012754
Google will find more if you're interested.
 
If that is true Kony, how damn greedy can they get.
bw..OJ
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I find fault with them for not being upfront about this
since it would tend be a primary concern for prospective
purchasers, but on the other hand they practically give away
some printers so one way or the other they're going to do
what they feel will make the $$. It makes for unreliable
printing though, if you have to check these things and
potentially not be able to print at a moment's notice.
 
It makes for unreliable
printing though, if you have to check these things and
potentially not be able to print at a moment's notice.
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That causes every user to keep at least one spare, which increases
sales.


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Map of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/vrwc.html

"The possession of arms is the distinction
between a free man and a slave."
-- Andrew Fletcher, Discourse on Government (1695)
 
I find fault with them for not being upfront about this
since it would tend be a primary concern for prospective
purchasers, but on the other hand they practically give away
some printers so one way or the other they're going to do
what they feel will make the $$. It makes for unreliable
printing though, if you have to check these things and
potentially not be able to print at a moment's notice.
Click to expand...

How do we join in that class action suit, I wonder.


--

Map of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
http://home.houston.rr.com/rkba/vrwc.html

"The possession of arms is the distinction
between a free man and a slave."
-- Andrew Fletcher, Discourse on Government (1695)
 
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