Transferring files to a HD Nook

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Andy

I posted this in a Nook forum, but got no answer.

Good customer service. NOT !! :-)

I am trying to copy files from a laptop to the Nook HD.
This is what explorer shows is on my Nook.

It should be showing directories for my books, music, etc.

Directory of J:\

10/23/2012 02:48 PM 4,096 ._.Trashes
10/23/2012 02:48 PM <DIR> .Trashes
10/23/2012 02:48 PM <DIR> .fseventsd
10/23/2012 02:48 PM 1,256 MyNOOK Setup.html
10/23/2012 02:48 PM 254,788 ._MyNOOK Setup.html
3 File(s) 260,140 bytes
2 Dir(s) 0 bytes free

When I try to copy files to it, it says Cannot copy file: The disk is write protected. Remove the write protection or use another disk.

Anyone know if it is doable ?

Did Barnes and Noble make it impossible to transfer files to it ?

B & G had a download that was supposed to let me transfer files, but it
is a MAC file.

I use Windows and Linux Puppy.

Thanks gentlemen and scholars,
Andy
 
Andy said:
I posted this in a Nook forum, but got no answer.

Good customer service. NOT !! :-)

I am trying to copy files from a laptop to the Nook HD.
This is what explorer shows is on my Nook.

It should be showing directories for my books, music, etc.

Directory of J:\

10/23/2012 02:48 PM 4,096 ._.Trashes
10/23/2012 02:48 PM <DIR> .Trashes
10/23/2012 02:48 PM <DIR> .fseventsd
10/23/2012 02:48 PM 1,256 MyNOOK Setup.html
10/23/2012 02:48 PM 254,788 ._MyNOOK Setup.html
3 File(s) 260,140 bytes
2 Dir(s) 0 bytes free

When I try to copy files to it, it says Cannot copy file: The disk is write protected. Remove the write protection or use another disk.

Anyone know if it is doable ?

Did Barnes and Noble make it impossible to transfer files to it ?

B & G had a download that was supposed to let me transfer files, but it
is a MAC file.

I use Windows and Linux Puppy.

Thanks gentlemen and scholars,
Andy
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I can see mention of someone using WinXP having problems here.

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1098541?start=0&tstart=0

In terms of "missing things", WinXP has several optional components.
There is MTP driver support (via updating to the latest Windows
Media Player). There is ExFAT support, via a separate downloadable
ExFAT driver package for WinXP (since Nook uses MTP, this isn't likely
to be the issue). There is also the IMAPI V2 support for DVD burning
(available as a separate download), without which WinXP supports drag
and drop burning to CDs.

A user has a hack here, for editing the c:\windows\inf\wpdmtp.inf
file, so that devices not issuing a certain "class" identifier, can
be picked up.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...n/a779e001-1382-4b57-9ca8-106d0bdc23e3?auth=1

But none of this adds up with your symptoms.

1) You've opened some device that appeared in File Explorer and you
see some files. That suggests to me that MTP is working.

2) Maybe the Nook HD supports both MTP and USB Mass Storage ? And there
is some mode switch ? And USB Mass Storage only works with the SD ?
I would start by looking in Device Manager, because it sounds like
Device Manager has done something to make that hardware work.

When connecting USB devices, you can connect the target device *before*
adding drivers, or *after* adding drivers. The user manual for the
mobile device, should specify which method works best for them. If
you ignore the advice, and do the opposite of what they say, sometimes
the wrong driver gets associated with the new hardware.

After all the threads I've read, I really can't tell what's going on
here, and what the failing is. You need to gather more information
about how it is currently connected. There seems to be some problem
with WinXP having permission to access something. But you also have to
remember, that the (Android) device isn't going to allow random access
to every part of the file system. Which would be a reason for blocking
writes. You could also consider a Wifi setup, assuming that Nook
has Wifi, and supports "file pull" using an App. Instead of doing
"file push" over MTP from WinXP desktop.

When you look in Disk Management, is there any evidence of where
J:\ came from ?

The .fseventsd file is evidence that file system has been
connected to MacOSX.

Paul
 
I can see mention of someone using WinXP having problems here.

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1098541?start=0&tstart=0

In terms of "missing things", WinXP has several optional components.
There is MTP driver support (via updating to the latest Windows
Media Player). There is ExFAT support, via a separate downloadable
ExFAT driver package for WinXP (since Nook uses MTP, this isn't likely
to be the issue). There is also the IMAPI V2 support for DVD burning
(available as a separate download), without which WinXP supports drag
and drop burning to CDs.

A user has a hack here, for editing the c:\windows\inf\wpdmtp.inf
file, so that devices not issuing a certain "class" identifier, can
be picked up.
Click to expand...

I will try the hack, nothing to lose. I have image backups. :-)
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...n/a779e001-1382-4b57-9ca8-106d0bdc23e3?auth=1

But none of this adds up with your symptoms.

1) You've opened some device that appeared in File Explorer and you
see some files. That suggests to me that MTP is working.

2) Maybe the Nook HD supports both MTP and USB Mass Storage ? And there
is some mode switch ? And USB Mass Storage only works with the SD ?
I would start by looking in Device Manager, because it sounds like
Device Manager has done something to make that hardware work.
Click to expand...

What do you mean by looking in Device Manager ?
When connecting USB devices, you can connect the target device *before*
adding drivers, or *after* adding drivers. The user manual for the
mobile device, should specify which method works best for them. If
you ignore the advice, and do the opposite of what they say, sometimes
the wrong driver gets associated with the new hardware.

After all the threads I've read, I really can't tell what's going on
here, and what the failing is. You need to gather more information
about how it is currently connected. There seems to be some problem
with WinXP having permission to access something. But you also have to
remember, that the (Android) device isn't going to allow random access
to every part of the file system. Which would be a reason for blocking
writes. You could also consider a Wifi setup, assuming that Nook
has Wifi, and supports "file pull" using an App. Instead of doing
"file push" over MTP from WinXP desktop.

When you look in Disk Management, is there any evidence of where
J:\ came from ?
Click to expand...

I will look into it.
The .fseventsd file is evidence that file system has been
connected to MacOSX.

Paul
Click to expand...

You are right about it being a Mac-Intosh file. :-)

"B & G had a download that was supposed to let me transfer files, but it
is a MAC file."

I am surprised that they would post such a message that could be read by Non-Mac systems. :-)

Both Windows and Linux see the same directories.

I would be happy if I could copy music files from either Linux or Windows to my Nook HD.

I think the reason that I got no answer from a Nook forum is that it can not be done.

The NOOK HD Operating System is read-only.

It does store files when you download a book or game or movie.

They designed it so nothing can be copied to it from another computer.

Oh well. :-(

I will never buy one or recommend one to anyone.

I have friends who have a Kindle and it does allow you to copy files to it.
 
I can see mention of someone using WinXP having problems here.

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1098541?start=0&tstart=0

In terms of "missing things", WinXP has several optional components.
There is MTP driver support (via updating to the latest Windows
Media Player). There is ExFAT support, via a separate downloadable
ExFAT driver package for WinXP (since Nook uses MTP, this isn't likely
to be the issue). There is also the IMAPI V2 support for DVD burning
(available as a separate download), without which WinXP supports drag
and drop burning to CDs.

A user has a hack here, for editing the c:\windows\inf\wpdmtp.inf
file, so that devices not issuing a certain "class" identifier, can
be picked up.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...n/a779e001-1382-4b57-9ca8-106d0bdc23e3?auth=1

But none of this adds up with your symptoms.

1) You've opened some device that appeared in File Explorer and you
see some files. That suggests to me that MTP is working.

2) Maybe the Nook HD supports both MTP and USB Mass Storage ? And there
is some mode switch ? And USB Mass Storage only works with the SD ?
I would start by looking in Device Manager, because it sounds like
Device Manager has done something to make that hardware work.

When connecting USB devices, you can connect the target device *before*
adding drivers, or *after* adding drivers. The user manual for the
mobile device, should specify which method works best for them. If
you ignore the advice, and do the opposite of what they say, sometimes
the wrong driver gets associated with the new hardware.

After all the threads I've read, I really can't tell what's going on
here, and what the failing is. You need to gather more information
about how it is currently connected. There seems to be some problem
with WinXP having permission to access something. But you also have to
remember, that the (Android) device isn't going to allow random access
to every part of the file system. Which would be a reason for blocking
writes. You could also consider a Wifi setup, assuming that Nook
has Wifi, and supports "file pull" using an App. Instead of doing
"file push" over MTP from WinXP desktop.

When you look in Disk Management, is there any evidence of where
J:\ came from ?

The .fseventsd file is evidence that file system has been
connected to MacOSX.

Paul
Click to expand...

I used this patch.

It shows all the directories. Progress. :-)

Unfortunately, I still can not transfer files to it.


http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=19153
 
Andy said:
I used this patch.

It shows all the directories. Progress. :-)

Unfortunately, I still can not transfer files to it.


http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=19153
Click to expand...

The Nook FAQ page, mentions the response a Macintosh sees when
connecting to the Nook for the first time. That .fseventsd file
is in the directory that the Mac would see. I gather it's for some
process to get a MTP driver onto a Mac. (The .htm file in the same
directory, contains instructions for a Mac user.) You would think that
seeing that folder, was happening because you weren't using MTP.

*******

I don't understand what is magic about the MTP porting kit.
I don't think it has an MTP driver in it. I examined the file
with 7ZIP, and didn't see a structure like that. It has some
tools for working with MTP.

For example, one of the things in the MTP porting kit, is "wpdmon".

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/wpdblog/archive/2007/02/05/wpdmon-gotchas.aspx

"WPD traffic... Plug and Play (PnP) messages
and Raw (DeviceIoControl) traffic"

*******

I got the MTP driver from Windows Media Player. Using a WinXP VM
(not activated), I attempted to download and install WMP11.
The WMP11 installer wanted me to "validate" the OS, and since this
VM is on a 30 day trial cycle, that's not going to happen. But
the driver portion was still installed. So the VM, by using WMP11,
now has a WPDMTPHW.INF file. And that file does have
a few devices manually populated. (Hacking the INF mentioned
in a previous post, the file I've got here already has a few entries
like that in the file.)

I'm just having problems finding a more up-to-date
MTP driver than that one, for WinXP.

When I tried a separate Samsung driver pack, it
does this...

[SSUD.NTx86.5.1]
%USB\SAMSUNG_MOBILE&MTP.Desc% = ssud.Install,
USB\VID_04E8&PID_685C <--- match specific device

[ssud.Install]
Include = wpdmtp.inf, WINUSB.INF <--- call the existing Microsoft driver

USB\SAMSUNG_MOBILE&MTP.Desc="SAMSUNG Mobile MTP Device" <--- text string label

What it does, is sorta like that "patching" idea. It matches
on a particular VID/PID value. But no files are copied from
the driver (due to the MTP license terms). The Samsung driver
calls the Microsoft driver, to do the installation. Then, in
Device Manager, the label "SAMSUNG Mobile MTP Device" is added.
So that's a stub installer. It's the same situation as when
Intel "provides a USB driver". The Microsoft USB driver licensing
terms don't allow third parties to include the driver, and all that
Intel can do, is an "Include" call to the Microsoft driver already
in the OS.

So it's not even necessarily the case, that using a so-called
third-party driver, gets anything more up-to-date into the system.

I could find one gotcha for MTP users, and that's Kaspersky.
Kaspersky installs an UpperFilter, that interferes with MTP
driver installation, causing the detection of MTP to stay
in a loop. Removing the Kaspersky thing, fixes the problem.

"Fixed: MTP Device keeps popping up By Lux, on May 19th, 2011"
https://web.archive.org/web/20130709154703/http://www.iotti.biz/?p=279

Other than that, still no progress on why your folders would be
write protected. The MTP protocol isn't going to allow anything
DRM protected that doesn't want to be copied, to be copied over
to the device. But surely some test file you've got, isn't
DRM protected, and is a suitable candidate for a test copy operation.

Paul
 
Andy said:
I posted this in a Nook forum, but got no answer.

Good customer service. NOT !! :-)

I am trying to copy files from a laptop to the Nook HD.
This is what explorer shows is on my Nook.

It should be showing directories for my books, music, etc.

Directory of J:\

10/23/2012 02:48 PM 4,096 ._.Trashes
10/23/2012 02:48 PM <DIR> .Trashes
10/23/2012 02:48 PM <DIR> .fseventsd
10/23/2012 02:48 PM 1,256 MyNOOK Setup.html
10/23/2012 02:48 PM 254,788 ._MyNOOK Setup.html
3 File(s) 260,140 bytes
2 Dir(s) 0 bytes free

When I try to copy files to it, it says Cannot copy file: The disk is write protected. Remove the write protection or use another disk.

Anyone know if it is doable ?

Did Barnes and Noble make it impossible to transfer files to it ?

B & G had a download that was supposed to let me transfer files, but it
is a MAC file.

I use Windows and Linux Puppy.

Thanks gentlemen and scholars,
Andy
Click to expand...

There are a ton of ideas as to how the Nook could work. And even when
I visit the so-called "developer" site for B&N, there isn't a description
of what happens during connection of the device to a desktop computer.
They even treat their developer community like children.

*******

Possible protocols:

USB Mass Storage (how the above small FAT partition makes an appearance
on a Macintosh, and apparently also on Windows if MTP isn't
working - the "MyNOOK Setup.html" thing). It's not clear to me,
how it switches protocols to do this. Normally selection of the
protocol is a static operation by the user (from mobile device
menu).

MTP (Media Transfer Protocol, Microsoft driver, delivered via WMP11 on WinXP)

Android Debug Bridge (ADB), possibly available as "USB Debug Mode" on tablet end.

*******

Possible appearance of file systems:

FAT partition, extremely tiny, as a "teaser" for Mac users. It presents
a web page with a URL to download a Mac .dmg (Disk Image) package with a
MTP driver in it. The reason the Mac is singled out, is the autorun
mechanism is supposed to be handling Windows machines (my theory).

First MTP response. Possibly a read-only (CDROM-like) partition with
autorun.inf and setup.exe ? Some hardware uses this technique to "get
a driver onto a Windows computer". For example, a certain LCD monitor that
connects via USB cable, uses that technique to inject a driver for the
monitor, onto a Windows machine. This technique might change the Device Manager
entry from "MTP Device" to "Nook HD" or similar. It's hard to say how
much important stuff may be delivered this way (basic MTP should have been
enough to make it work). If you had Autorun turned off in Windows, perhaps
this would thwart the boostrapping process. Look for autorun.inf as evidence
"they want to give you some software".

Other notes - there is some evidence that owning a couple Nook models,
that the Nook Color initialization steps, might interfere with
bringing up a Nook HD properly.

You're not "buying an appliance", you're "buying an adventure".

Paul
 
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