Hello Dean,
So that you are fore warned about the amazing stance taken by mr andrew
brown....here is my reply to him together with his comments.....It seems that
its not OK to contradict people in here...so be carefull...the truth has no
place here...neither is the right to defend yourself...
Sir,
All I can say then is that you have been very selective in which messages you
chose to review....your impression of what has taken place is very wrong.
With regard to the slights against the person you call a valued
professional....I must say sir that I can not imagine what kind of measure you
are comparing him to.
I have said it many times publicly and I will say it again now....papajohn is a
joke, he demonstrates an ineptitude that can only be bettered by the people who
think he is good!!! Its clear that the people making decisions have no clue at
all.
Perhaps you missed where rehan demanded that Mr. Cees from Holland PROVE that he
had access to a certain type of machine...you appear to be saying that that
response is reasonable...you are on your own if you think that.
You make no mention of his insinuations about my personal health...WHY NOT???
WHY are you defending a person who is totally inept...he spins stories about
what XP does....he challenges anyone who dare contradict him...the very long
running battle with the man over how many pixels are in a 16:9 ratio
image.......he was finally put down by a person from Microsoft who actually
knows what he is talking about...you should gain his view on that particular
event.
Perhaps you have not seen the more recent messages where rehan called me a liar
even after I sent a video showing what can take place in movie maker....I am
very disappointed in your attitude....I rather think that the matter should not
be put to rest at this time and that I should find someone within your company
that can both review ALL remarks made and have the technical ability enabling a
decission based on facts rather than, as papajohn once told me, "fixing things
through the back channels"
You also seem to believe that anyone can attack me by the use of personal
attacks but its not ok for me to respond......I used far less violent
terminology than those who berated me when I previously dared to point out that
papajohn was yet again wrong....I did not receive a single reply from you when I
complained. You are clearly very inconsistent Mr. Brown...and its easy to
demonstrate it.
It would seem that the only community you are interested in is one where no one
dare challenge anything thats said when they can see that it is wrong and that
you would rather stop the rights of anyone to free speech in continuing to point
out that the information is wrong and bringing that situation to the notice of
the person needing it. When are you going to make an evaluation on how RELIABLE
the information is...will you threaten the next person who dares to contradict
some of the absolute rubish that is publ;ished by these people and rigourously
stands up against them when they become personal????
Finaly, you have just been shot in the foot by another MS techy who agrees that
I am correct and rehan is not on the more recent issue of how short a title can
be.......how do you propose to justify your self now?
John Kelly
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Brown (COMMUNITY)" <
[email protected]
<mailto:
[email protected]>>
To: <John Kelly>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: Rehan
John,
Unfortunately, after reviewing the posts you refer to, I have to
conclude that it is you who have begun the personal attacks, even after
I have asked you before to refrain from doing so (see attached). I
cannot substantiate any of your claims as to "lying" or "bad advice"
except for your own posts. PapaJohn is, as has been the case in the
past, only providing helpful advice and not responding directly to you
at all, yet you insist on bringing up the same incorrect issues you have
previously and attempting to falsely damage his reputation. Moreover, it
seems there are several unprovoked attacks from you towards Rehan also.
I had hoped we had seen the end of this kind of behavior in the
MovieMaker newsgroup, but it looks like I will have to begin monitoring
it again. Please note that a number of posts will likely be showing up
as deleted shortly, and I'm afraid the majority are going to be yours. I
reiterate to you that personal attacks (whether on MVPs or others) are
not acceptable in the Microsoft public newsgroups. As I've said before,
many of your posts are very useful and your knowledge of digital
media-related technology is clearly very strong. I ask that you please
continue this positive behavior while refraining from personal attacks,
whether directed at MVPs or otherwise, so that the Movie Maker newsgroup
can be a place where users can find help rather than long argumentative
threads.
Regards,
Andrew A. Brown
MVP Lead, Microsoft
Digital Media/eHome/
Mobile Devices/Tablet PC
(e-mail address removed) <mailto:
[email protected]>
-----Original Message-----
From: (e-mail address removed) <mailto:
[email protected]> [mailto:
[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 1:43 AM
To: Andrew Brown (COMMUNITY)
Subject: Rehan
Importance: High
Mr. Brown,
Over the past few days I have witnessed the above named user accuse
posters to the newsgroup Movie Maker of being a liar, I have seen him
berate users for asking questions (relevant ones) and I have had to
correct him on a now large number of issues where he has clearly
invented methods for how windows works in order to make an explanation
sound correct, he has given information that is dangerously wrong and
also started throwing out challenges if any one dares to mention he is
wrong...eventually a [MS] person effectively told him to shut up and
that my remarks were correct.
Prior to that he did his usual attempt at belittlement by paraphrasing
advice given by me stating it could not work....The Original poster was
not happy about that as the advice I gave was of course correct.
In some sort of defensive measure he has also started commenting on
my health. That condition was known by just one of your MVP's and was
certainly not for public consumption and definitely none of rehan's
business. However rehan has continued to imply that there may be
something else wrong with me because of my physical condition.
Some of the comments by rehan have been supported by your mvp
papajohn.
He made himself look very stupid (again) demonstrating his own claims of
being an expert in databases merits further examination, and
additionally demonstrating his own knowledge of some of the very basic
commands within any of your operating systems in particular XP is
woefully poor.
After he basically accused a chap named Cees from Holland a liar I
started asking for an MS person to do something about the attitude of
the above person....instead of seeing some evidence of that rehan has
started accusing me of having a hidden agenda.
Can you please have words with Rehan (BTW, your mvp papajohn is also
starting up again with his public slights....and I admit that I have not
wasted time in responding to those) I hope the situation of damaging
advice to your customers will soon be put right and once again advice to
the mvp papajohn be given.
Yet again Mr. Brown, your mvp's and the people those mvp's support
are performing badly...Do you think the MVP program is a good one, or
perhaps should you instead think that the mvp's in this newsgroup need
dismissing?
Best Wishes.....John Kelly
www.the-kellys.org <
http://www.the-kellys.org>
www.the-kellys.co.uk <
http://www.the-kellys.co.uk>
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