Time picker ?

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Lloyd Dupont

is there some native time picker available ?
(not date, I know there is a nice sample on opennetcf.com)
but time, like 4:32:21 PM
I know there is a nice native widget, which follow the system convention and
let you edit, time/hours/secon independantly.
anything similar available for .NET ?
 
Cost always has to be weighed against the "cost" of time during development.
If you were to write a control like this it would add development time to
your overall project, and thus, cost you more in the end then it would to
just pay the license fee.
 
absolutely.
works great.

but I need a time (like 8:30 PM) picker which work well and follow the user
local requirement.
 
Cost always has to be weighed against the "cost" of time during development.
If you were to write a control like this it would add development time to
your overall project, and thus, cost you more in the end then it would to
just pay the license fee.
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well, i'm not the original poster - but OK ;)

Look at the costs - you have to Pay for end-user-license? (if i understand
this correctly) - this is really unbelievable for a single control - crazy!

You know that i still cannot believe why MS hasn't included this (and some
other things) into the .Net CF (yes - space... but this is an other
discussion) and now i've seen this site offering a "simple" Time-Picker...
i wouldn't have a problem with costs like "$30 - $50" - but look what
happens if you write an application which you sell - say - 100 times... WOW

Maybe i should stop working on applications - and focus on creating
controls ;-)

Boris
 
Look at the costs - you have to Pay for end-user-license? (if i understand
this correctly) - this is really unbelievable for a single control - crazy!
...
i wouldn't have a problem with costs like "$30 - $50" - but look what
happens if you write an application which you sell - say - 100 times...
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WOW

I have to agree with you Boris, it would require a very special control for
me to buy it if it's not royality free. Cost is one thing, administration of
sold licenses, buting more licenses etc. is another..

Unfortunately, it seems this price model is used quite a bit in the MS
development world - I don't recall I've ever seen such a model in the Delphi
world where I come from (and still is :-)

Cheers,
Lars
 
I'm sure that the developer would be happy to discount units, if you are
going to use 100. There are simply two schools of thought on pricing things
like that. Some developers prefer to get paid once and then you can make as
many 'copies' as you need, while others feel like that puts too much
pressure on users who want one or two copies for a specific project.

My guess is that, if the Delphi world has a whole bunch of free controls,
those are either from Borland (who has an incentive to make lots of controls
available, *so that they can sell development systems*), or they are done by
people in their spare time. One of the things that you're paying for with
purchased controls is support, updates, and some assurance that the company
who produced it will be around later.

Of course, you can avoid any licensing issues if you just write the control
yourself. That probably comes out more expensive, but maybe you *could*
sell it. I wonder what price you would charge if you had put several months
into the development and test of the control, development of documentation,
packaging, etc...

Paul T.
 
A very large amount of mobile libraries are sold on a per-seat basis, so
this isn't something new or novel. Jusdign by the pricing, you could
probably get an unlimited for about $500. Let's see, that's the going rate
for maybe 1/2 day of work, and I know I can't do that control in 1/2 day.
For me the math is pretty simple - if I need a DateTime picker, I'll likely
buy it.
 
Consider that development is not always done by a single person that has
his/her own small consulting business. For a small business, yes this price
can seem "too high", but development can be done at the enterprise level,
corporate level, where the price that they charge for their apps is
typically much higher than the people that write apps and distribute them
on, lets say, handango. So it all depends on the target audience. If a
company is going to use the DateTimePicker as an important piece of their
application to ensure that data collection is easy and accurate then they
stand to make a lot of money using this control while Intelliprog would make
very little, assuming a per-developer license as opposed to an end-user
license. Fair to the company, yes. Fair to Intelliprog, no. If this world
was full of honest people then I'm sure that a "deal" could be worked out
where the size of the business acquiring the DateTimePicker could be taken
into consideration so that the price could be adjusted accordingly. But
what's stopping people who work as part of a medium-large sized business
from saying that they are a consultant in a small business and, thus, should
get a significant discount on the control... so what's stopping people from
misrepresenting themselves in order to save money and, in the end, even make
a little more money. This is the world that I live in.
 
A very large amount of mobile libraries are sold on a per-seat basis, so
this isn't something new or novel. Jusdign by the pricing, you could
probably get an unlimited for about $500. Let's see, that's the going rate
for maybe 1/2 day of work, and I know I can't do that control in 1/2 day.
For me the math is pretty simple - if I need a DateTime picker, I'll likely
buy it.
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WOW - your cost is $500 for 1/2 day? ... then i'm pretty sure i'm doing
something wrong :-)

@all: don't missunderstand me - i'm the first who would say that you should
be paid for your work!

But i wish there would a bit more of "Community Feeling" in this World of
..Net Coders ... i'm familiar with the Delphi-World too. And yes, many
controls (many really good controls!) are done in spare time by developers
all over the world. Many are free, most with sources, some not. Some are
shareware etc.

The key is: today i help 100+ people out there by offering them a nice
control that i have build (i'm speaking about simple things like a better
Edit-Control, a bitmap-control with some new features etc. ... or a
Time-Picker ;) ...)

But when i need help to reach a dead-line, then there are 100+ people out
there who could help ME ... i've searched for some transparent delphi
controls two weeks ago... a very common problem because standard controls
are not transparent... and luckily i found a source showing how it works
and was able to extend it. Free.

Believe me, if i would code a Time-Picker, i would offer it for free... or
if someone really wants to pay me... say... $10,- ?

Boris
 
i think this is correct - from one point of view.
And of course it's right: if someone really needs this control she/he could
contact the author to make a good deal for both sides.

This world of offering per-piece-licenses for "simple" single controls are
really new for me and i don't like this... but sure, that's my problem :-)

I'm just dreaming what happens, if you need:
- a DatePicker
- a timePicker
- an editable ComboBox
- an editable DataGrid
- a button with background image
- a transparent checkbox and radiobutton

and you would have to pay for every single control per seat... I'm
absolutely sure: the whole application have to cost so much money that no
one would buy it...

So just one control for $500 may be OK (I've read for someone this is only
1/2 day of work) ... but $500 for every control that can do a little more
than the crippled standard-controls of the CF?

OK, i think i have said what i have to said - some may understand this and
some not. Belive me when i say, that i understand the other side too! But
i'm not fully agree. But this won't change a thing and maybe that's OK.

I will go on learning C# and .Net and hopefully can help you and others out
there .... and hopefully you still will help me ;-)

Boris
 
My guess is that, if the Delphi world has a whole bunch of free controls,
those are either from Borland (who has an incentive to make lots of controls
available, *so that they can sell development systems*), or they are done by
people in their spare time.
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Well, you guessed wrong<g>
There's a lot of free control in varying quality but there's also a lot of
commercial 3-part controls available with the licensing model that I
described.
One of the things that you're paying for with purchased controls is
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support, updates, and some assurance that
the company who produced it will be around later.
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Indeed and that has actually been a problem in the Delphi community - more
often that not you get free upgrades when you buy a component (set). That
way it's hard for the developer to stay in business. This is changing
though..

Check out my favorit Delphi component "pusher", DeveloperExpress
(http://www.devexpress.com/products/net/index.asp), who is committed to .NET
as well. When you buy one of their components (or the very attractive
subscription plan), you get full source and minor upgrades for free. Major
upgrades are discounted to you.
I never buy components without source - not that I've used it that many
times, but it comes in quite handy if you are struggeling to find a problem
in your app./component. Also, it sometimes (often:-) compensates for lacking
documentation.

Note, my only affiliation with DevExpress is that I'm a long-time and VERY
happy customer..

Cheers,
Lars
 
There's a lot of free control in varying quality but there's also a lot of
commercial 3-part controls available with the licensing model that I
described. [...]
Check out my favorit Delphi component "pusher", DeveloperExpress
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we use this one too :-)

Delphi8.Net is out now - so we will see what happens in the next months. I
hope, that more and more good and payable controls are coming out for all
of us - because of the .Net model it should be no problem to use a
Delphi.Net control with C# or VB.Net and vice versa

Boris
 
WOW - your cost is $500 for 1/2 day? ... then i'm pretty sure i'm doing
something wrong :-)
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When you look at benefits, workers comp, etc. etc. the rate for a mid or
senior level developer is easily $100 an hour. Even if you feel $500 is a
full day's work, the cost-benefit on this control is still worth buying.
But i wish there would a bit more of "Community Feeling" in this World of
.Net Coders ... i'm familiar with the Delphi-World too. And yes, many
controls (many really good controls!) are done in spare time by developers
all over the world. Many are free, most with sources, some not. Some are
shareware etc.
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Oh, I'm not arguing against that, in fact I'm probably as close to the
"poster boy" for free .NET CF stuff you're going to get (look at
www.OpenNETCF.org if you haven't yet). I also have sold several controls for
the $20-30 range, with no run-time licensing.

I've also sold (and puchased_ several that had per-seat licenses. It all
depends on the control and the cost-benefit of it.

-Chris
 
and you would have to pay for every single control per seat... I'm
absolutely sure: the whole application have to cost so much money that no
one would buy it...
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It all in your perspective. If you're selling a $500,000 enterprise
solution, several $500 controls is nothing. If you've making a mass-market
$50 app, you better be selling a hell of a lot of them to justify one or two
controls.
OK, i think i have said what i have to said - some may understand this and
some not. Belive me when i say, that i understand the other side too! But
i'm not fully agree. But this won't change a thing and maybe that's OK.
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It *is* OK, different business models fit different solutions.
I will go on learning C# and .Net and hopefully can help you and others out
there .... and hopefully you still will help me ;-)
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We will.

-Chris
 
It all in your perspective. If you're selling a $500,000 enterprise
solution, several $500 controls is nothing. If you've making a mass-market
$50 app, you better be selling a hell of a lot of them to justify one or two
controls.
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That's the point!

long time ago i've asked here because i was curious about the software you
all are coding. No response so far...

I was in teams developing software which was sold for about 10,000 to
20,000 Euros - but the most clients we got with software in a range from
500 to 2,000 Euros

Anybody here selling a $500,000 Solution? I really like to know what others
are doing with CF!

And - hehehe - :-) - i really like to get $100 per hour... but believe me
when i tell you, that you will never ever get this as single developer in
Germany ... i think the half would be realistic when you are on your own...
but when you are an employee - now way (but then you won't have to buy the
controls yourself :-) so this doesn't matter)
It *is* OK, different business models fit different solutions.
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....but unfortunatly there's no "cheap" control (in this example the time
picker) for a $50 application ;)
We will.
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great to find this community where you can have different opinions without
"flaming" each other!

This is a good start :-) Thank you

Boris
 
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