Thunderbird

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Jim Scott said:
Anybody had a play with Mozilla - Thunderbird yet?
It's the new stand-alone email client.
It's good but a huge 9.1Mb download and slllowww.
I got it from
http://download.com.com/3000-2367-10213642.html?tag=lst-0-1
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Jim: I'm playing with Firebird and Thunderbird now,and so far (2 days)
am very impressed.The Thunderbird seems to be a lot faster than Outlook
(non)Express but its missing some tiny little tweaks that would make it more
comfortable.Whats your take on it?
 
Jim said:
I am impressed by it for a new prog, but I use The Bat! which
is much much quicker and so btw is OE on my machine.
They have obviously thought it through before going public, as
most of the bits like filters, templates and the ability to
import both mail and address books are there.
I'll persist for a while, but having gone through Foxmail,
Phoenix-Roundabout, Calypso and others I am put off by the
large size and slow loading speed.
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I find it to be faster loading on my machine (AMD 1700+) than O.E. but
I've never used Bat! only tried Opera which is a great little program
but didn't suit my needs.Thunderbird does have the goodies in there but
they are a little clunky to find and apply like displaying threads in
sequence/open/closed/new/old.Its there,you just have to dig a little to
find it.Have you noticed any features you think are missing? Or any
you've spotted that you would consider hard to find? Would be interested
in what you think of navigating around in the program compared to others
you have used.
 
I find it to be faster loading on my machine (AMD 1700+)
than O.E. but I've never used Bat! only tried Opera which
is a great little program but didn't suit my
needs.Thunderbird does have the goodies in there but they
are a little clunky to find and apply like displaying
threads in sequence/open/closed/new/old.Its there,you just
have to dig a little to find it.Have you noticed any
features you think are missing? Or any you've spotted that
you would consider hard to find? Would be interested in
what you think of navigating around in the program compared
to others you have used.
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My needs are simple as I get relatively few emails and some
spam. My aforementioned payware client can catch and delete
spam on the server or redirect to view afterwards. This negates
the need for spamtraps like K9 or popfile, however excellent
they are, and they are good. It is also so small that I can
leave it open all the time I'm on the web and don't need a
'prompter'
My only other desirable feature for Thunderbird and other
clients too, would be to have only one inbox, with all accounts
feeding it in the way that OE does, and most others don't.
 
Jim Scott said:
My needs are simple as I get relatively few emails and some
spam. My aforementioned payware client can catch and delete
spam on the server or redirect to view afterwards. This negates
the need for spamtraps like K9 or popfile, however excellent
they are, and they are good. It is also so small that I can
leave it open all the time I'm on the web and don't need a
'prompter'
My only other desirable feature for Thunderbird and other
clients too, would be to have only one inbox, with all accounts
feeding it in the way that OE does, and most others don't.
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Thunderbird has antispam built in--Tools/Junkmail--with trainable filters
but I haven't received any spam since starting it (just lucky so far) so
haven't had any nasties to work in there.I think you can set up multiple
accounts,redirect that mail into your regular Inbox,then delete the
secondary boxes----thats what I did with the OE imports---but it does take a
few secs.You are right,the program is relatively huge but it seems to do a
lot. Maybe being open source and trying to mesh with all the old major email
clients out there ends up bloating it a bit.
It is a little bit buggy at times according to the Mozilla site but have had
none of that so far,maybe just got a good build.However,I still use OE as my
default since my AVG antivirus monitors incoming and outgoing mail only in
OE.Would be nice to find an av that supports it fully.
All in all,so far I'm very impressed with the Thunderbird,but then I do like
all the bells and whistles.Creature comforts are nice.Specially to us lazy
creatures.
 
Thunderbird has antispam built in--Tools/Junkmail--with trainable
filters but I haven't received any spam since starting it (just lucky
so far) so haven't had any nasties to work in there.I think you can
set up multiple accounts,redirect that mail into your regular
Inbox,then delete the secondary boxes----thats what I did with the OE
imports---but it does take a few secs.You are right,the program is
relatively huge but it seems to do a lot. Maybe being open source and
trying to mesh with all the old major email clients out there ends up
bloating it a bit. It is a little bit buggy at times according to the
Mozilla site but have had none of that so far,maybe just got a good
build.However,I still use OE as my default since my AVG antivirus
monitors incoming and outgoing mail only in OE.Would be nice to find
an av that supports it fully. All in all,so far I'm very impressed
with the Thunderbird,but then I do like all the bells and
whistles.Creature comforts are nice.Specially to us lazy creatures.
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Thunderbird is still alpha and is a split-off from the Mozilla suite.
It will improve, probably rapidly. The large size in part is due to
carrying around too much Mozilla suite code that is not needed for
Thunderbird. The file size should continue to shrink as new versions
are released. The Bayesian spam filtering is excellent. I am still
using the Mozilla suite mail because it is more bug free, but expect to
move over to Thunderbird one of these days. I also use Firebird for my
browser (6/11 version) and find it the best out there.

--
Dennis Roark

(e-mail address removed)
Starting Points:
www.home.earthlink.net/~denro
 
Jim Scott said:
Anybody had a play with Mozilla - Thunderbird yet?
It's the new stand-alone email client.
It's good but a huge 9.1Mb download and slllowww.
I got it from
http://download.com.com/3000-2367-10213642.html?tag=lst-0-1
Click to expand...

Yes, I have it installed and have begun using it. However, I've found
it to be quite buggy - getting errors and freezing on deleting folders
and occassionally emails. Like others have mentioned though, this is
still so early in development and it's only an alpha release. So, it's
not fair to make any judgements as of yet.

It is a sizeable download but I think it will be worth it in the
future. One thing I can say is excellent, is Thunderbird's ability to
import messages and addresses from other programs like Outlook
Express. I imported all my mail and folders, which total almost 8000.
I use email for business and keep 6 months of email history. The
import process was error-free and fast. I've done the same process
with other programs like Poco Mail and that program took more than an
hour to do what Thunderbird did in a minute or two.

Stay with it and get used to it's features. It will quickly improve
and I'm sure it will eventually be one of the best stand-alone email
clients. It may be a bit hard to rely on for now though but it sounds
like others have had better experiences with it than I have.

I also highly recommend Mozilla Firebird. I've been using it as my
default browser for over a month and I love it. If you follow the
instructions on how to install it and set it up, you will have no
problems. Rock solid and fast!
 
(e-mail address removed) (Steve Skinner) wrote in
Yes, I have it installed and have begun using it. However, I've found
it to be quite buggy - getting errors and freezing on deleting folders
and occassionally emails. Like others have mentioned though, this is
still so early in development and it's only an alpha release. So, it's
not fair to make any judgements as of yet.
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I'm quite happy with pegasus mail, because it provides the right blend of
security and features I need, altough recent builds appear to be somewhat
unstable compared to 3.12c.

I've sampled some of the usual suspects, but none seem to be as "safe" as
pegasus mail.

Stay with it and get used to it's features.
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It's not the features i'm worried about, but the stability. :) Unless you
believe that "freezing" is a feature , not a bug .


Aaron
 
I'm quite happy with pegasus mail, because it provides the right blend of
security and features I need, altough recent builds appear to be somewhat
unstable compared to 3.12c.

I've sampled some of the usual suspects, but none seem to be as "safe" as
pegasus mail.
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I agree, but if you havent tried the new Pegasus 4.12a, check it out.
I find it just as stable as 3.12c and it has an unbelievable array of
advanced new features.
 
(e-mail address removed) (Steve Skinner) wrote in
It is a sizeable download but I think it will be worth it in the
future. One thing I can say is excellent, is Thunderbird's ability to
import messages and addresses from other programs like Outlook
Express. I imported all my mail and folders, which total almost 8000.
I use email for business and keep 6 months of email history. The
import process was error-free and fast. I've done the same process
with other programs like Poco Mail and that program took more than an
hour to do what Thunderbird did in a minute or two.
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Do you know if you can manually or automatically import the Mozilla's
junk mail history into Thunderbird?

Eventually, I would like to try Moz. Phoenix and Thunderbird, but I'm in
no hurry and am quite happy with Moz 1.4 browser/email combo. However,
when I do decide the time is right, I'd love to be able to import the
Bayesian filter history into Thunderbird so I don't have to start the
training over from scratch. I'm also using POPFile, which is doing a
fantastic job, but in the end it seems to me that two such similar
filtering systems is overkill. I just can't decide which to abandon. If
I knew I'd have to start from scratch in Thunderbird, I'd probably keep
POPFile and disable Moz's junk filtering. But if Thunderbird can use
Moz's data, I'd forget POPFile and keep at the Moz junk filtering.
 
I agree, but if you havent tried the new Pegasus 4.12a, check it out.
I find it just as stable as 3.12c and it has an unbelievable array of
advanced new features.
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As mentioned above I find it somewhat more unstable then 3.12c but IMHO
it's by far the most stable of the versions 4+ so far.





Aaron
 
Do you know if you can manually or automatically import the Mozilla's
junk mail history into Thunderbird?

Eventually, I would like to try Moz. Phoenix and Thunderbird, but I'm in
no hurry and am quite happy with Moz 1.4 browser/email combo. However,
when I do decide the time is right, I'd love to be able to import the
Bayesian filter history into Thunderbird so I don't have to start the
training over from scratch. I'm also using POPFile, which is doing a
fantastic job, but in the end it seems to me that two such similar
filtering systems is overkill. I just can't decide which to abandon. If
I knew I'd have to start from scratch in Thunderbird, I'd probably keep
POPFile and disable Moz's junk filtering. But if Thunderbird can use
Moz's data, I'd forget POPFile and keep at the Moz junk filtering.
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Just copy the training.dat file from your Moz profile directory to your
Thunderbird profile directory. I use Moz 1.4 and experiment with Thunderbird and
routinely copy them back and forth to sync.
 
(e-mail address removed) (Steve Skinner) wrote in


Eventually, I would like to try Moz. Phoenix and Thunderbird, but I'm
in no hurry and am quite happy with Moz 1.4 browser/email combo.
However, when I do decide the time is right, I'd love to be able to
import the Bayesian filter history into Thunderbird so I don't have to
start the training over from scratch. I'm also using POPFile, which
is doing a fantastic job, but in the end it seems to me that two such
similar filtering systems is overkill. I just can't decide which to
abandon. If I knew I'd have to start from scratch in Thunderbird, I'd
probably keep POPFile and disable Moz's junk filtering. But if
Thunderbird can use Moz's data, I'd forget POPFile and keep at the Moz
junk filtering.
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If you like Mozilla 1.4 you might want to upgrade to Mozilla 1.5a. A
little nicer and smoother. It seems very stable and bug free. Its mail
program is my favorite. There is also a new calendar version that can
be installed in it. Composer, for web page development, has also seen
some improvements. If you use the seamonkey install it should pick up
your filters and Bayesian filter history. Just saw an article from a
German computer mag that rated the spam filtering of Mozilla to be the
best spam solution for email clients.

--
Dennis Roark

(e-mail address removed)
Starting Points:
www.home.earthlink.net/~denro
 
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