This is too wierd!!!

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dingerbell

Re: my post yesterday about Messenger reinstalling. Twice yesterday I
reinstalled messenger 6.1 after booting up and being requested to install
6.1. Booted up this morning to find Messenger 4.7 now!!

Has anyone got any ideas plaese? This is getting very irksome!!

Thanks
Dinger
 
dingerbell said:
Re: my post yesterday about Messenger reinstalling. Twice yesterday I
reinstalled messenger 6.1 after booting up and being requested to
install
6.1. Booted up this morning to find Messenger 4.7 now!!

Has anyone got any ideas plaese? This is getting very irksome!!

6.1 is MSN Messenger, 4.7 is Windows Messenger. Different programs released
by Microsoft to confuse everyone.
 
Greetings Dinger,

Windows Messenger 4.7 comes with Windows XP and will remain regardless if MSN Messenger is
installed or not. As such, you've always had Windows Messenger 4.7, since you appear to be a
MSN Messenger 6.x user, you can simply disable Windows Messenger. To do so, open up Windows
Messenger (click Start, then Run, type "msmsgs" and click OK), click Tools, Options,
Preferences tab and unchecking 'Run this Program when Windows starts' or 'Run Windows
Messenger when Windows starts' (depending on version). As well, you can disable it further
by going to Start, Control Panel, Add or Remove Programs, Add/Remove Windows Components on
the left, uncheck Windows Messenger in the components list and click Next >. Note: this is
only available if you've installed Windows XP Service Pack 1 -- if you haven't, visit
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com. This won't remove Windows Messenger, but it will let it
stay out of your way.
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
 
-->>> Different programs released by Microsoft to confuse everyone.

This was not a very professional comment coming from a MS MVP.

Thank goodness the MS MVP who typically responds to this NG does not have
the same type of attitude exhibited above.


Actually, Windows Messenger 4.7 is an instant messenger program packaged
with Windows XP.

MSN Messenger 6.1 is a standalone instant messenger package.

MSN Messenger is more feature friendly with various bells and whistles
(avatars, backgrounds, personal emoticons, sounds, etc). It is more
attractive due to the extraneous fluff.

Windows messenger, which also has attractive features, is a reasonably
solid application without the extraneous fluff.

[[Much like with AOL. There is the instant messenger packaged with AOL and
there is the standalone product AOL AIM. Similar products from the same
company - yet different versions and features.]]

It appears that dingerbell has Win XP for their operating system, yet has
had the standalone MSN Messenger package installed with the windows
messenger package disabled. Somewhere in the process of the forced upgrade
from MSN Messenger 6.1.0202 to v6.1.0203 - the Windows Messenger became the
dominant instant messenger package at startup. The MSN Messenger v6.1.0203
may need to be reconfigured to be the dominant startup package.

I look forward to a reply from the Messenger MVP - Jonathan Kay.
He will give a researched and helpful response without the sarcasm.


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dingerbell said:
Re: my post yesterday about Messenger reinstalling. Twice yesterday I
reinstalled messenger 6.1 after booting up and being requested to
install
6.1. Booted up this morning to find Messenger 4.7 now!!

Has anyone got any ideas plaese? This is getting very irksome!!

6.1 is MSN Messenger, 4.7 is Windows Messenger. Different programs released
by Microsoft to confuse everyone.
 
Delphinia said:
-->>> Different programs released by Microsoft to confuse everyone.

This was not a very professional comment coming from a MS MVP.

Thank goodness the MS MVP who typically responds to this NG does not
have the same type of attitude exhibited above.

Actually it's a very realistic response if you actually know what's going on
internally at Microsoft. MVPs are not here to spout a party line. There are
some very real usability and deployment questions surrounding such
semi-duplicated efforts, not to mention the problematic documentation on
www.microsoft.com
 
A defensive, propagandist and pontificating response which is not entirely
unexpected of an individual who posts on a topic in such a hostile manner.

Once again, it is unbecoming of a MS MVP.

Your response did not belong on this thread for the following reasons:

1) it provided no solution for the enduser
2) it was antagonistic, hostile and non-informative
3) it was a fallacious statement

These newsgroups are to assist the endusers. They are not a pulpit for
disgruntled MVPs to spout upon.

Whatever your internal arguments may be, there is no need to spew them out
to a public that requested help and who for all intents and purposes just
want their product to work. They did not ask to be subjected to the
rantings of a malcontented MVP.

As far as your attempt to pontificate - one does not need to be 'internal to
Microsoft' to understand what is transpiring.

Microsoft did not create the products being discussed to "confuse everyone.'
The instant messenger products were created in different environments and as
such were created to appeal to different endusers. Whether confusion
occurred or not - the 'intent' of MS was not to confuse as much as it was to
provide an attractive product for various endusers.

1) MSN Messenger is a stand alone product for non-Win XP endusers - it is a
cross platform package. (it is Win XP compatible)
2) Windows Messenger is a wonderful product for Win XP endusers.

Each product area serves a purpose. If one should make the product bland in
an effort to achieve 'uniformity' for all endusers - customers will be lost
to the competition as no one will be happy. What is crucial for one Product
area is a detriment to another Product area.

To speak in terms you might understand - This would be the equivalent to
creating and using Office Standard version for ALL MS Office endusers -
including the Corporate Clients. One would lose the Corporate Clientele
base as the desired usability and features are non-existent in the Standard
version. Either that or you would lose the Non-Corporate endusers as the
cost of the package would be exorbitant for the average household and the
complexity of the product would be grossly beyond the ability of the average
computer user to understand or navigate.

Personally, I do not like MSN Messenger. I prefer Windows messenger for a
variety of reasons. Yet, I understand the appeal of MSN Messenger 6.X to
the majority of the endusers.

I would hate to see messenger become a bland blend of the various versions.
It would ruin the products' usability and attraction.

Since you apparently find Windows/MSN messenger distasteful - please be kind
enough to leave the replies to the requests for help to a MS MVP who really
cares about us.

One who provides us with timely responses, accurate information and a
pleasant, professional demeanor - Jonathan Kay.




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Delphinia said:
-->>> Different programs released by Microsoft to confuse everyone.

This was not a very professional comment coming from a MS MVP.

Thank goodness the MS MVP who typically responds to this NG does not
have the same type of attitude exhibited above.

Actually it's a very realistic response if you actually know what's going on
internally at Microsoft. MVPs are not here to spout a party line. There are
some very real usability and deployment questions surrounding such
semi-duplicated efforts, not to mention the problematic documentation on
www.microsoft.com
 
Delphinia said:
A defensive, propagandist and pontificating response which is not
entirely unexpected of an individual who posts on a topic in such a
hostile manner.

Your response suggests we are a match made in heaven.
Your response did not belong on this thread for the following reasons:
1) it provided no solution for the enduser
2) it was antagonistic, hostile and non-informative

Pointing out that there were two separate products involved is informative,
and points to a solution.
3) it was a fallacious statement

You obviously haven't sat down in meetings with the various Messenger teams
or with those who use those technologies.
These newsgroups are to assist the endusers.

This is usenet. Opinion runs in its veins. Dissent is healthy. Over in the
Office newsgroups we routinely advise users against using many noxious
features in that suite.
 
:-)

Mike Williams said:
Your response suggests we are a match made in heaven.


Pointing out that there were two separate products involved is informative,
and points to a solution.


You obviously haven't sat down in meetings with the various Messenger teams
or with those who use those technologies.


This is usenet. Opinion runs in its veins. Dissent is healthy. Over in the
Office newsgroups we routinely advise users against using many noxious
features in that suite.
 
Well despite Delphinia's agressive negativity, the users are confused. If
you look for an update for 4.7 you get 6.2 with no indication that it is a
different product. As few users are even aware of newsgroups and those that
are express confusion I imagine that most users install 6.2 as an upgrade
and carry on using 4.7 as only that one starts after a boot-up.

Also 6.2 includes adverts without an option to turn them off and presumably,
as with most adverts, is using MS technology to sneak spyware past security.
Having spent an hour trawling through this newsgroup my confusion is
resolved.

So all I need to do is uninstall 6.2 to remove the threat of an MS inspired
Trojan.
 
Hi,

How do you propose that spyware (something Microsoft absolutely hates given the amount of
money it costs to support people who've installed spyware) will be installed via a GIF image
that's been in Messenger since its early inception?
____________________________________________
Jonathan Kay
Microsoft MVP - Windows Messenger/MSN Messenger
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/
Messenger Resources - http://messenger.jonathankay.com
All posts unless otherwise specified are (c) 2004 Jonathan Kay.
You *must* contact me for redistribution rights.
 
Not a gif image but various Dutch product adverts (MSN Messenger 6.2). The
source of many spyware downloads is often the adverts on web and I assume
that any system that generates adverts appropriate to the audience will have
the capability to push spyware down the pipe. Although I am no expert on the
technology - just an observation based on experience.

Frank
 
Not a gif image but various Dutch product adverts (MSN Messenger 6.2). The
source of many spyware downloads is often the adverts on web and I assume
that any system that generates adverts appropriate to the audience will have
the capability to push spyware down the pipe. Although I am no expert on the
technology - just an observation based on experience.

In the first place, the ads cannot push any programs down the pipe. To get
infected by an ad, two things are necessary:

1. Your browser security settings have to be lax, or your browser is not up
to the latest patches; or both.

2. You click on the link in the ad while in such a state of insecurity.
 
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