theme/potx change problem

[Lina]

Hi
I have 18 2003 potx files (type 1 to 18, logotypes and objects in the slide
master and layouts differs) that I have upgraded to 2007. they all have the
same font and color theme
My problem is that if I have a presentation of for ex type 1 and want to
change it to a type 4 presentation. The old logotype/objects remains when I
change template. And I get double set of layouts on the layout button on the
home tab.

Since I don't wan't 18 themes because we think it will confuse people I have
made them as potx files and one theme, but I get the same problem even if I
make 18 themes.
I have made the changes in the slide master. I think the problem can be that
I have a logotype that should not be shown on every slide layout. for example
I have placed a logotype and a green line on the slide master. on the
heading layout I have marked the hide background graphics and insted placed a
bigger logotype and a picture there.

I read somewhere that you can have some problem if you place objects on the
slide master and I wonder if my problem can have something to do with that?
How can it be solved?

 

[Lina]

I see. Can the solution be to remove the userDrawn tags in the xml? Has
anyone done this and got it to work?

Thanks!
/Lina

I think this might be what you guys are running into:

The problem is the layouts that have manual graphics on them. If they have
manual graphics and don't actually take their graphics from the big kahuna
Slide Master -- like Title layouts and Section Header layouts in particular
are wont to do -- then the real Title or Section Header or what-have-you
layout doesn't get applied and you end up with these extra layouts.

Unfortunately, I don't have a fix for you. It's PPT working as designed. I
think it's a bad design, but I can't change it. The only thing I know to do
is to train users to select the appropriate layout from the layout gallery.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

I'm having a similar problem with multiple layouts.

If I am working in a file using a Theme with more than one master and
switch
it to another Theme with more than one master I end up w/ cumulative sets
of
layouts when looking to choose a layout on the home tab (either a new
slide
or changing the layout).

I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has any insight into this problem.

FWIW...all of our Themes have a logo on the master slide!

.

 

[Christine]

So if I understand this correctly....

If I have a Theme set up with the Master slide containing a logo (an
imported picture file) in the upper or lower corner and then a different logo
(same picture as Master only larger..or different picture) on the Title &
Section slides...this will cause PPT to be confused and give me multiple sets
of layouts when switching Themes??

Really?

And this is because the logos (artwork) we are using aren't SmartArt or
contained within placeholders?

I wonder if it would make a difference if we could add a placeholder when
developing the slide layout? But that wouldn't help us w/ the Master slide
since we can't add any placeholders to that...

Wouldn't the use of logos (or other artwork) be something that would be
expected as a use of the program? I'm not thinking it is all that unusual
for a company to need to utilize multiple Themes with different logos.

Sorry, just venting a bit here. It is a challenge to get our employees to
actually USE the layouts in PPT so the multiple sets of layouts are confusing
to them and may be a deterrent.

Christine

I think this might be what you guys are running into:

The problem is the layouts that have manual graphics on them. If they have
manual graphics and don't actually take their graphics from the big kahuna
Slide Master -- like Title layouts and Section Header layouts in particular
are wont to do -- then the real Title or Section Header or what-have-you
layout doesn't get applied and you end up with these extra layouts.

Unfortunately, I don't have a fix for you. It's PPT working as designed. I
think it's a bad design, but I can't change it. The only thing I know to do
is to train users to select the appropriate layout from the layout gallery.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

I'm having a similar problem with multiple layouts.

If I am working in a file using a Theme with more than one master and
switch
it to another Theme with more than one master I end up w/ cumulative sets
of
layouts when looking to choose a layout on the home tab (either a new
slide
or changing the layout).

I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has any insight into this problem.

FWIW...all of our Themes have a logo on the master slide!

.

 

[Echo S]

No, no, go ahead and vent -- believe me, I understand your frustration.

I'm not positive I've nailed down your issue, though. Maybe we can look at
this via GoToMeeting so I can get a better handle on it? I'll ping you about
it.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

So if I understand this correctly....

If I have a Theme set up with the Master slide containing a logo (an
imported picture file) in the upper or lower corner and then a different
logo
(same picture as Master only larger..or different picture) on the Title &
Section slides...this will cause PPT to be confused and give me multiple
sets
of layouts when switching Themes??

Really?

And this is because the logos (artwork) we are using aren't SmartArt or
contained within placeholders?

I wonder if it would make a difference if we could add a placeholder when
developing the slide layout? But that wouldn't help us w/ the Master
slide
since we can't add any placeholders to that...

Wouldn't the use of logos (or other artwork) be something that would be
expected as a use of the program? I'm not thinking it is all that unusual
for a company to need to utilize multiple Themes with different logos.

Sorry, just venting a bit here. It is a challenge to get our employees to
actually USE the layouts in PPT so the multiple sets of layouts are
confusing
to them and may be a deterrent.

Christine

I think this might be what you guys are running into:

The problem is the layouts that have manual graphics on them. If they
have
manual graphics and don't actually take their graphics from the big
kahuna
Slide Master -- like Title layouts and Section Header layouts in
particular
are wont to do -- then the real Title or Section Header or what-have-you
layout doesn't get applied and you end up with these extra layouts.

Unfortunately, I don't have a fix for you. It's PPT working as designed.
I
think it's a bad design, but I can't change it. The only thing I know to
do
is to train users to select the appropriate layout from the layout
gallery.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

I'm having a similar problem with multiple layouts.

If I am working in a file using a Theme with more than one master and
switch
it to another Theme with more than one master I end up w/ cumulative
sets
of
layouts when looking to choose a layout on the home tab (either a new
slide
or changing the layout).

I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has any insight into this
problem.

FWIW...all of our Themes have a logo on the master slide!

.

 

[Echo S]

I'm not sure, Lina. I thin it would definitely be worth a shot, though! I'd
love to hear if it works for you.

Like I told Christine, I'm not sure if the issue I mentioned is really what
you're seeing. You're actually getting multiple sets of a Slide Master +
Layouts, right?

Hm. I think this has to do with "preserve masters," but you need that if you
do have a couple of masters in a deck. The problem becomes when you combine
that deck with another and end up with, say, quadruple masters. Yuck.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

I see. Can the solution be to remove the userDrawn tags in the xml? Has
anyone done this and got it to work?

Thanks!
/Lina

I think this might be what you guys are running into:

The problem is the layouts that have manual graphics on them. If they
have
manual graphics and don't actually take their graphics from the big
kahuna
Slide Master -- like Title layouts and Section Header layouts in
particular
are wont to do -- then the real Title or Section Header or what-have-you
layout doesn't get applied and you end up with these extra layouts.

Unfortunately, I don't have a fix for you. It's PPT working as designed.
I
think it's a bad design, but I can't change it. The only thing I know to
do
is to train users to select the appropriate layout from the layout
gallery.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

I'm having a similar problem with multiple layouts.

If I am working in a file using a Theme with more than one master and
switch
it to another Theme with more than one master I end up w/ cumulative
sets
of
layouts when looking to choose a layout on the home tab (either a new
slide
or changing the layout).

I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has any insight into this
problem.

FWIW...all of our Themes have a logo on the master slide!

.

 

[Christine]

Echo...

I went back in my notes and found the info that I posted back in July about
what is happening and the conditions under which it is occurring!

Begin quote------
I am having issues applying a new Theme to a presentation when the existing
presentation is using a Theme w/ multiple masters. For some reason the master
slides (with accompanying sets of layouts) are accumulating when the Theme is
changed instead of dropping the master slides from the original presentation
(this happens when I apply the Theme to the entire presentation or to
selected slides). I am NOT having this experience when the original
presentation has only one master.

We currently have thirteen customized Themes... only four of these have one
master slide, the remaining Themes have two (6) or three (3) master slides.

Theoretically most users will use only 1-2 of these Themes on a regular
basis depending on which group they work in...but one of these groups will be
using all three of the Themes that have three master slides so we really need
to figure this out. [The only difference between the Themes is the tag line
under the logo in the lower right corner of the Slide Master. This tag line
is part of the logo file which is an imported PNG file saved from Illustrator
or Photoshop.]

I have tested the Themes on two computers (both running XP/Office 2007 SP2)
and have achieved the same results.
-------End quote

Not sure if that clarifies the issue or not??

Christine

No, no, go ahead and vent -- believe me, I understand your frustration.

I'm not positive I've nailed down your issue, though. Maybe we can look at
this via GoToMeeting so I can get a better handle on it? I'll ping you about
it.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

So if I understand this correctly....

If I have a Theme set up with the Master slide containing a logo (an
imported picture file) in the upper or lower corner and then a different
logo
(same picture as Master only larger..or different picture) on the Title &
Section slides...this will cause PPT to be confused and give me multiple
sets
of layouts when switching Themes??

Really?

And this is because the logos (artwork) we are using aren't SmartArt or
contained within placeholders?

I wonder if it would make a difference if we could add a placeholder when
developing the slide layout? But that wouldn't help us w/ the Master
slide
since we can't add any placeholders to that...

Wouldn't the use of logos (or other artwork) be something that would be
expected as a use of the program? I'm not thinking it is all that unusual
for a company to need to utilize multiple Themes with different logos.

Sorry, just venting a bit here. It is a challenge to get our employees to
actually USE the layouts in PPT so the multiple sets of layouts are
confusing
to them and may be a deterrent.

Christine

I think this might be what you guys are running into:

The problem is the layouts that have manual graphics on them. If they
have
manual graphics and don't actually take their graphics from the big
kahuna
Slide Master -- like Title layouts and Section Header layouts in
particular
are wont to do -- then the real Title or Section Header or what-have-you
layout doesn't get applied and you end up with these extra layouts.

Unfortunately, I don't have a fix for you. It's PPT working as designed.
I
think it's a bad design, but I can't change it. The only thing I know to
do
is to train users to select the appropriate layout from the layout
gallery.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


I'm having a similar problem with multiple layouts.

If I am working in a file using a Theme with more than one master and
switch
it to another Theme with more than one master I end up w/ cumulative
sets
of
layouts when looking to choose a layout on the home tab (either a new
slide
or changing the layout).

I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has any insight into this
problem.

FWIW...all of our Themes have a logo on the master slide!

.

.

 

[Echo S]

Yeah, I kind of remember this -- in fact, I had it flagged so I could try to
look into it more. Of course, I lack tuits. I don't really have any
specific ideas, but I think it may help me wrap my head around it if I see
it in action if you're game.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

Echo...

I went back in my notes and found the info that I posted back in July
about
what is happening and the conditions under which it is occurring!

Begin quote------
I am having issues applying a new Theme to a presentation when the
existing
presentation is using a Theme w/ multiple masters. For some reason the
master
slides (with accompanying sets of layouts) are accumulating when the Theme
is
changed instead of dropping the master slides from the original
presentation
(this happens when I apply the Theme to the entire presentation or to
selected slides). I am NOT having this experience when the original
presentation has only one master.

We currently have thirteen customized Themes... only four of these have
one
master slide, the remaining Themes have two (6) or three (3) master
slides.

Theoretically most users will use only 1-2 of these Themes on a regular
basis depending on which group they work in...but one of these groups will
be
using all three of the Themes that have three master slides so we really
need
to figure this out. [The only difference between the Themes is the tag
line
under the logo in the lower right corner of the Slide Master. This tag
line
is part of the logo file which is an imported PNG file saved from
Illustrator
or Photoshop.]

I have tested the Themes on two computers (both running XP/Office 2007
SP2)
and have achieved the same results.
-------End quote

Not sure if that clarifies the issue or not??

Christine

No, no, go ahead and vent -- believe me, I understand your frustration.

I'm not positive I've nailed down your issue, though. Maybe we can look
at
this via GoToMeeting so I can get a better handle on it? I'll ping you
about
it.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

So if I understand this correctly....

If I have a Theme set up with the Master slide containing a logo (an
imported picture file) in the upper or lower corner and then a
different
logo
(same picture as Master only larger..or different picture) on the Title
&
Section slides...this will cause PPT to be confused and give me
multiple
sets
of layouts when switching Themes??

Really?

And this is because the logos (artwork) we are using aren't SmartArt or
contained within placeholders?

I wonder if it would make a difference if we could add a placeholder
when
developing the slide layout? But that wouldn't help us w/ the Master
slide
since we can't add any placeholders to that...

Wouldn't the use of logos (or other artwork) be something that would be
expected as a use of the program? I'm not thinking it is all that
unusual
for a company to need to utilize multiple Themes with different logos.

Sorry, just venting a bit here. It is a challenge to get our employees
to
actually USE the layouts in PPT so the multiple sets of layouts are
confusing
to them and may be a deterrent.

Christine



:

I think this might be what you guys are running into:

The problem is the layouts that have manual graphics on them. If they
have
manual graphics and don't actually take their graphics from the big
kahuna
Slide Master -- like Title layouts and Section Header layouts in
particular
are wont to do -- then the real Title or Section Header or
what-have-you
layout doesn't get applied and you end up with these extra layouts.

Unfortunately, I don't have a fix for you. It's PPT working as
designed.
I
think it's a bad design, but I can't change it. The only thing I know
to
do
is to train users to select the appropriate layout from the layout
gallery.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


I'm having a similar problem with multiple layouts.

If I am working in a file using a Theme with more than one master
and
switch
it to another Theme with more than one master I end up w/ cumulative
sets
of
layouts when looking to choose a layout on the home tab (either a
new
slide
or changing the layout).

I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has any insight into this
problem.

FWIW...all of our Themes have a logo on the master slide!

.

.

 

[Lina]

Yes, I got multiple sets of slide master+layouts but it also gets weird since
the old (in this case) logotype remains on the new master. I will try the
userDrawn tag but it will have to wait untill next week. I will let you know
if i get it to work.

Thanks

I'm not sure, Lina. I thin it would definitely be worth a shot, though! I'd
love to hear if it works for you.

Like I told Christine, I'm not sure if the issue I mentioned is really what
you're seeing. You're actually getting multiple sets of a Slide Master +
Layouts, right?

Hm. I think this has to do with "preserve masters," but you need that if you
do have a couple of masters in a deck. The problem becomes when you combine
that deck with another and end up with, say, quadruple masters. Yuck.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

I see. Can the solution be to remove the userDrawn tags in the xml? Has
anyone done this and got it to work?

Thanks!
/Lina

I think this might be what you guys are running into:

The problem is the layouts that have manual graphics on them. If they
have
manual graphics and don't actually take their graphics from the big
kahuna
Slide Master -- like Title layouts and Section Header layouts in
particular
are wont to do -- then the real Title or Section Header or what-have-you
layout doesn't get applied and you end up with these extra layouts.

Unfortunately, I don't have a fix for you. It's PPT working as designed.
I
think it's a bad design, but I can't change it. The only thing I know to
do
is to train users to select the appropriate layout from the layout
gallery.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


I'm having a similar problem with multiple layouts.

If I am working in a file using a Theme with more than one master and
switch
it to another Theme with more than one master I end up w/ cumulative
sets
of
layouts when looking to choose a layout on the home tab (either a new
slide
or changing the layout).

I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has any insight into this
problem.

FWIW...all of our Themes have a logo on the master slide!

.

.

 

[Echo S]

since the old (in this case) logotype remains on the new master

Yeah, that's the part of the problem I was thinking about. It's so
frustrating, I know. Looking forward to hearing how your tests with the XML
go.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

Yes, I got multiple sets of slide master+layouts but it also gets weird
since
the old (in this case) logotype remains on the new master. I will try the
userDrawn tag but it will have to wait untill next week. I will let you
know
if i get it to work.

Thanks

I'm not sure, Lina. I thin it would definitely be worth a shot, though!
I'd
love to hear if it works for you.

Like I told Christine, I'm not sure if the issue I mentioned is really
what
you're seeing. You're actually getting multiple sets of a Slide Master +
Layouts, right?

Hm. I think this has to do with "preserve masters," but you need that if
you
do have a couple of masters in a deck. The problem becomes when you
combine
that deck with another and end up with, say, quadruple masters. Yuck.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx

I see. Can the solution be to remove the userDrawn tags in the xml? Has
anyone done this and got it to work?

Thanks!
/Lina

:

I think this might be what you guys are running into:

The problem is the layouts that have manual graphics on them. If they
have
manual graphics and don't actually take their graphics from the big
kahuna
Slide Master -- like Title layouts and Section Header layouts in
particular
are wont to do -- then the real Title or Section Header or
what-have-you
layout doesn't get applied and you end up with these extra layouts.

Unfortunately, I don't have a fix for you. It's PPT working as
designed.
I
think it's a bad design, but I can't change it. The only thing I know
to
do
is to train users to select the appropriate layout from the layout
gallery.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP] http://www.echosvoice.com
What's new in PPT 2007? http://www.echosvoice.com/2007.htm
Fixing PowerPoint Annoyances http://tinyurl.com/36grcd
PowerPoint 2007 Complete Makeover Kit http://tinyurl.com/32a7nx


I'm having a similar problem with multiple layouts.

If I am working in a file using a Theme with more than one master
and
switch
it to another Theme with more than one master I end up w/ cumulative
sets
of
layouts when looking to choose a layout on the home tab (either a
new
slide
or changing the layout).

I'd be interested in hearing if anyone has any insight into this
problem.

FWIW...all of our Themes have a logo on the master slide!

.

.