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From: "kony" <
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Newsgroups: alt.comp.hardware
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: Testing Motherboards??
You might also get old boards rather cheap if not the cost
of shipping alone on a FS/FT web forum like the following
(or one local to you if not in the continental US), or of
course an auction 'site like ebay. At least with some of
these options there is the possiblity of finding something
the owner claims, and hopefully guarantees, works still.
http://forums.anandtech.com/categories.aspx?catid=62&flcache=3428745
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=62&threadid=2244196&enter
thread=y
Something wierd is going on here. I am using OE (last gasp choice!) in the
old box for this communication and it seems to have lost some of my
responses to this group.
It is unlikely to be a problem with the hard disk on this old box - it has
been tested and cleaned up and I have SP4 installed. Oh, well - just another
gremlin ;-)
Thank you Kony and Philo. I am now splitting the time between getting a new
motherboard and satisfying my curiousity. I did some things along the lines
you both suggested. First I stripped out all the unnecessary components and
then switched everything off and shorted the BIOS - nothing new discovered.
While doing that I thought about a test prog that I used way back - I wanted
some info about the CPU but I couldn't remember the name of the prog and
spent a while browsing a disk that was on the newer box when the crash came
and is now on the old. Finally I found it - SiSoftSandra. I copied the .exe
to the newer box where I had a test Win2K installation running - minus SP4.
I ran SiSoft on the CPU and the results blew my mind. Here is the report:
Processor
Model : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.26GHz
Co-Processor (FPU) : Built-in
Speed : 2.27GHz
Performance Rating : PR2494 (estimated)
Type : Standard
Package : FC µPGA478
Rated Speed/FSB : 2260MHz / 4x 133MHz
Multiplier : 17x
Generation : 7 (7x86)
Name : P4N (Northwood) Pentium 4 1.6-3.4G 1.5-1.6V
Revision/Stepping : 2 / 9 (9)
Stepping Mask : D1
Core Voltage Rating : 1.550V
Part Number : To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Asset Tag : To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Serial Number : To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Processor Cache(s)
Internal Data Cache : 8kB Synchronous Write-Thru (4-way sectored, 64 byte
line size)
Internal Trace Cache : 12kµops Synchronous Write-Thru (8-way, 64 byte line
size)
L2 On-board Cache : 512kB ECC Synchronous ATC (8-way sectored, 64 byte line
size)
L2 Cache Multiplier : 1/1x (2267MHz)
Host Interface(s)
Front Side Bus Speed : 4x 133MHz (532MHz data rate)
Upgradeability
Socket/Slot : J2E1
Upgrade Interface : Socket 478
Supported Speed(s) : 3.06GHz+
Environment Monitor 1
Model : AD ADM1027 SMB
Mainboard Specific Support : No
Power Rating(s)
CPU Core Power : 57W (estimated)
Sensors
CPU Temperature : 25.0°C / 77.0°F td
Auto Fan Speed Control : Yes
CPU Fan Speed : 917rpm
CPU Voltage : 1.51V
Features
FPU - Co-Processor Built-in : Yes
VME - Virtual Mode Extensions : Yes
DE - Debugging Extension : Yes
PSE - Page Size Extension : Yes
TSC - Time Stamp Counter : Yes
MSR - Model Specific Registers : Yes
PAE - Physical Address Extension : Yes
MCE - Machine Check Exception : Yes
CX8 - Compare & Exchange Instruction : Yes
APIC - Local APIC Built-in : Yes
SEP - Fast System Call : Yes
MTRR - Memory Type Range Registers : Yes
PGE - Page Global Enable : Yes
MCA - Machine Check Architecture : Yes
CMOV - Conditional Move Instruction : Yes
PAT - Page Attribute Table : Yes
PSE36 - 36-bit Page Size Extension : Yes
PSN - Unique Serial Number : No
CLF - Cache Line Flush Support : Yes
DS - Debug Trace & EMON Store : Yes
ACPI - Software Clock Control : Yes
MMX Technology : Yes
FXSR - Fast Float Save & Restore : Yes
SSE Technology : Yes
SSE2 Technology : Yes
SS - Self Snoop : Yes
HTT - Hyper-Threading Technology : No
TM - Thermal Monitor : Yes
SBF - Signal Break on FERR : Yes
IA-64 Technology : No
SSE3 Technology : No
MON - Monitor/MWait : No
DSCPL - CPL qualified Debug Store : No
TM2 - Thermal Monitor 2 : No
CID - Context ID : Yes
DAZ - Denormals Are Zero : Yes
Advanced Settings
Data Error Checking : No
Fast Strings : Yes
x86 FPU Compatibility Mode : No
Prefetch Queue : Yes
Branch Trace Storage : Yes
Data Cache Active Mode : Yes
IO Queue Depth : 12 request(s)
Thermal Monitor Enabled : Yes
Machine Check Architecture Settings
Number of Reporting Banks : 4 bank(s)
Extended Machine Check Support : Yes
Number of Extended Reporting Banks : 12 bank(s)
Variable Range MTRR Settings
MTRR 0 : 00000000-3FFFFFFF (0MB-1024MB) WB
Fixed Range MTRR Settings
MTRR 0 Range 0 : 00000000-0000FFFF (0kB-64kB) WB
MTRR 0 Range 1 : 00010000-0001FFFF (64kB-128kB) WB
snipped out - all similar
..MTRR 10 Range 6 : 000FE000-000FEFFF (1016kB-1020kB) WB
..MTRR 10 Range 7 : 000FF000-000FFFFF (1020kB-1024kB) WB
PAT Settings
PAT 0 : WB
PAT 1 : WC
PAT 2 : UC-
PAT 3 : UC
PAT 4 : WB
PAT 5 : WC
PAT 6 : UC-
PAT 7 : UC
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I had a tip and a warning:
Tip T210 - The main board supports faster CPUs so you don't need to upgrade
the main board when you decide to install a new CPU. However, a new main
board will yield faster performance with a new CPU simply because it will
use a new chipset.
Fix: Nothing to fix.
The Warning 216 was: Warning W216 - The CPU fan has failed. This should
appear only if the CPU has a fan with tachometer installed, connected
correctly to the main board data capturing chip.
Fix: Power down your system immediately. Open the case and check that the
CPU fan is working and the heat sink is not unusually hot. Make sure the CPU
has good all-round ventilation.
SiSoftware Sandra Help File
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Back to me
The fan ran hot for a very short while - possibly 15 mins. Fortunately I was
able to shut down quickly just when the fan was barely able to rotate. The
fan hub was very hot - the aluminum heat sink was not very hot. I checked
all the capacitors on the board and there were no bulges in any. There were
no traces of damage on the board around the CPU - the thermal compound
looked soft and very normal. The air flow around the CPU had no
impediments - the fan problem undoubtedly was due to lack of lubrication -
the need for which was completely hidden by the Spire company. The time of
the fan failure was not given, and I am astonished at how SiSoft could tell
now that a crash happened a week ago - could there be some data cache on the
motherboard? It is a SiSoft 2003 version.
The fact that the OS acted up after that incident may have been due to an
unrelated cause.
I still need to do some more checking on the newer motherboard and will
check for some Intel test progs and possibly a BIOS upgrade.
Thanks to you all for your interest and help.
