Temperature Range of modem?

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1Adata

does anyone know, what is Temperature Range for the Cisco EPC3000 Cable
Modem: Max and Min temperature?
Is it still safe when modem worked near 11 hours with partially blocked top
ventilation openings? On the top surface of Cable modem has been placed VoIP
adapter, which partially blocked the top ventilation openings, plus there
where strong heat emitted from this adapter itself. As a result, both the
Cable Modem and adapter strongly heated. Is it still safe for Cable Modem?
 
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Tom Willett

Did you Google for the specs for that modem? Bet the answer would be found
that way.

: does anyone know, what is Temperature Range for the Cisco EPC3000 Cable
: Modem: Max and Min temperature?
: Is it still safe when modem worked near 11 hours with partially blocked
top
: ventilation openings? On the top surface of Cable modem has been placed
VoIP
: adapter, which partially blocked the top ventilation openings, plus there
: where strong heat emitted from this adapter itself. As a result, both the
: Cable Modem and adapter strongly heated. Is it still safe for Cable Modem?
:
 
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Paul

Tom said:
Did you Google for the specs for that modem? Bet the answer would be found
that way.

There is no temp data available in the downloadable docs. Either
user manual, or product brochure.

If the cable modem is still running, then it is not broken.

Paul
 
1

1Adata

Yes I did. There are information about Temperature Range for the Cisco
EPC3000 in modem specification - that's very strange.
Perhaps Cisco have some detailed specs for this modem, but it not available
on their website for customers.
I want to know does this may have some effect on hardware in the future. Any
help, please?

Thank you.
 
T

Tom Willett

Did you contact their support?

: Yes I did. There are information about Temperature Range for the Cisco
: EPC3000 in modem specification - that's very strange.
: Perhaps Cisco have some detailed specs for this modem, but it not
available
: on their website for customers.
: I want to know does this may have some effect on hardware in the future.
Any
: help, please?
:
: Thank you.
: --------------
:
:
: : > Tom Willett wrote:
: > > Did you Google for the specs for that modem? Bet the answer would be
: found
: > > that way.
: >
: > There is no temp data available in the downloadable docs. Either
: > user manual, or product brochure.
: >
: > If the cable modem is still running, then it is not broken.
: >
: > Paul
: >
: > >
: > > : > > : does anyone know, what is Temperature Range for the Cisco EPC3000
: Cable
: > > : Modem: Max and Min temperature?
: > > : Is it still safe when modem worked near 11 hours with partially
: blocked
: > > top
: > > : ventilation openings? On the top surface of Cable modem has been
: placed
: > > VoIP
: > > : adapter, which partially blocked the top ventilation openings, plus
: there
: > > : where strong heat emitted from this adapter itself. As a result,
both
: the
: > > : Cable Modem and adapter strongly heated. Is it still safe for Cable
: Modem?
: > > :
: > >
: > >
:
 
D

db

if there were temperature
requirements,

then they would be clearly
locatable.

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SC Tom

You may have a slightly shorter life of the modem, but who's to say? Unless
you have some kind of stress-test program for the modem (which may shorten
the life even more), you'll never know if it lasted as long as it should or
not. As Paul said, if it's working, it ain't broke. Do you see any
degradation of service since this incident? Does your VOIP device still work
OK? If "no" and "yes", then run it until it breaks.
The temp range listed in the modem specs is more than likely the ambient
temperatures that it will be safe to run it in, not the temperature
emanating from it.

SC Tom
 
1

1Adata

Yes, that's reasonable. Thank you.

1Adata



SC Tom said:
You may have a slightly shorter life of the modem, but who's to say? Unless
you have some kind of stress-test program for the modem (which may shorten
the life even more), you'll never know if it lasted as long as it should or
not. As Paul said, if it's working, it ain't broke. Do you see any
degradation of service since this incident? Does your VOIP device still work
OK? If "no" and "yes", then run it until it breaks.
The temp range listed in the modem specs is more than likely the ambient
temperatures that it will be safe to run it in, not the temperature
emanating from it.

SC Tom
 
1

1Adata

yes, but this does not mean that electronic components do not depend on
temperature; an overheating makes very strong impact on electronic chips.
 
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VanguardLH

1Adata said:
does anyone know, what is Temperature Range for the Cisco EPC3000 Cable
Modem: Max and Min temperature?
Is it still safe when modem worked near 11 hours with partially blocked top
ventilation openings? On the top surface of Cable modem has been placed VoIP
adapter, which partially blocked the top ventilation openings, plus there
where strong heat emitted from this adapter itself. As a result, both the
Cable Modem and adapter strongly heated. Is it still safe for Cable Modem?

They don't have fans to pull/push the air around. Just convection.
Excessive heat kills electronics. The unit was designed to operate
within its operating temperature range AND without the ventilation paths
blocked (otherwise they wouldn't have bothered providing any holes in
the case).
 
V

VanguardLH

Mr. Smith said:
Good lord, why are you asking this here? What does this have to do
with XP? You did notice the letters X and P before the workd hardware
in the group title, right?

Old Duke aka CaptAmerica aka Mr. Smith aka hardware-ignoramus farts in
the group again.
 
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Bill in Co.

VanguardLH said:
Old Duke aka CaptAmerica aka Mr. Smith aka hardware-ignoramus farts in
the group again.

Maybe Twain can help him out with a registry patch.
 
M

M.I.5¾

Mr. Smith said:
Good lord, why are you asking this here? What does this have to do
with XP? You did notice the letters X and P before the workd hardware
in the group title, right?

Indeed. Ask in a Hardware newsgroup. Hang on! This *is* a hardware
newsgroup.

Instead, just ignore our resident mentally retarded 13 year old ****wit.
 
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db

true.

but the assumption are
that all digital and electronic
equipment will be operating
in a controlled and protected
environment.

if it needed "special"
considerations, like to
it to be in a cold room
then this would be a
primary requirement
noted in the documentation
and even on the unit
itself.

if the unit was engineered
in some manner that it
would overheat then they
would have designed it
with heat sinks or fans.

however, it is not to say
that the product isn't faulty
and you have noticed some
thing that correlates to
temperature.

I have a broadband router
that after a few months it
started to become unreliable.

after a few hours of operation
it simply failed to perform
though it seemed to be fine
and the lights blinks, etc.

after I couldn't put up with
the unreliable performance,
I simply got a different one
and everything with my net
working has been ok for the
past couple of years.

so if you are also getting
intermittent problems with
you unit,

then it is simply a piece of
crap and you need to get
it replaced.

it is highly likely that the
manufacturer is aware
of the problem you are
having because you may
not be alone.

but it is financially beneficial
for the company to keep
these issues confidential
and won't do a recall unless
the unit catches fire.


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DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
- Systems Analyst
- Database Developer
- Accountancy
- Veteran of the Armed Forces
- Microsoft Partner
- @hotmail.com
~~~~~~~~~~"share the nirvana" - dbZen
 
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Paul

1Adata said:
yes, but this does not mean that electronic components do not depend on
temperature; an overheating makes very strong impact on electronic chips.

---------

Sure, I agree with that.

One metric I would suggest to you, is whether the equipment function
stopped due to the temperature. The processor inside the box should
"crash", once it gets past a certain temperature. Going an additional
number of degrees past that point, could lead to physical damage.

If the equipment operated throughout the overheated interval,
I would argue that is a crude metric that critical temperatures
were not exceeded.

Some temperatures

1) Silicon damage (info from our fab many many years ago) = 135C

The full 135C can be survived if the chip is housed in
a ceramic package. They no longer use ceramic for most
applications. The chip packaging material is now "organic",
and may be limited to 90C to 100C, as the packaging material
degrades at higher temperatures. So the chip itself can
stand 135C, while the packaging is more susceptible.

This was the value from our fab. YMMV :)

2) Simulation temperature (operation not guaranteed correct) = 105C

A chip designer tries to prove correct operation at
this temperature. Whatever the value is (105C-110C), this
would be considered an upper limit during design.

3) Processor may crash (only rough figure) = 70C to 90C perhaps

Anecdotal values seen on various processor families.

I suppose, it would be possible for a hardware design, to
continue to run error free, at the same time as the organic
packaging is being degraded. But it is more likely, you'd
see some functional degradation before that happens. If
the box continued to run, without observable performance
degradation, I would argue it is just fine. If it crashed,
then it may have overheated significantly.

When a device is convection cooled, and you seal the top vent,
it would be easy for temperatures to shoot way up. The value
of cooling effectiveness of convection is not that great.
Having to fall back to conduction cooling, because the
vent is blocked, is not going to work very well if the
product has plastic packaging. It might behave marginally
better if the casing was metal.

There have been cases of small devices like this in the past,
where the internal temperatures were really too high for
long life. Some people had first generation gigabit routers
die, because the designers didn't do enough to cool them.
So there are products, where the silicon inside is tortured.
Some people added ventilation to their own products (voiding
the warranty), and their products survived. So not all
hardware designers are kind to the silicon.

Some chip types *love* to run hot. Back when ECL logic was
popular, you could get skin burns from touching the tops
of some of the chips. And the chips worked best, when they
were that hot. CMOS has different behavior, and gets slower
at high temperatures.

Paul
 
M

M.I.5¾

Mr. Smith said:
Good lord, why are you asking this here? What does this have to do
with XP? You did notice the letters X and P before the workd hardware
in the group title, right?

Indeed. Ask in a *hardware* newsgroup.

Only a 13 year old mentally retarded ****wit would consider that this is the
wrong newsgroup.

Ignore him like everyone else does.
 

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