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D. Spencer Hines
"Tearing" Has Not Been A Problem For Me.
But SPEED and RESOLUTION are important.
'Nuff Said.
DSH
But SPEED and RESOLUTION are important.
'Nuff Said.
DSH
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invader
"Tearing" Has Not Been A Problem For Me.
That's because I think some people have confused tearing with repainting. I
have never noticed screen tearing in XP.
I have noticed repaint delay, mostly when I'm bored and goofing off. Bog the
system down and then drag something across a complicated window. Has this
ever been a 'problem' for me? Absolutely not. Did I notice that Vista doesn't
do it any more? Nope, didn't even notice. Maybe I haven't been bored enough
lately....
That's because I think some people have confused tearing with repainting. I
have never noticed screen tearing in XP.
I have noticed repaint delay, mostly when I'm bored and goofing off. Bog the
system down and then drag something across a complicated window. Has this
ever been a 'problem' for me? Absolutely not. Did I notice that Vista doesn't
do it any more? Nope, didn't even notice. Maybe I haven't been bored enough
lately....
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Jeffrey S. Sparks
I didn't notice it at first, but then it's not something you "look" for.
This is a kind of problem with xp you might not notice was fixed in Vista
until someone pointed it out to you. I find the fact that you don't care
they fixed and updated something interesting though...
Jeff
This is a kind of problem with xp you might not notice was fixed in Vista
until someone pointed it out to you. I find the fact that you don't care
they fixed and updated something interesting though...
Jeff
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invader
I didn't notice it at first, but then it's not something you "look" for.
I agree it's good to fix things (service packs are nice). My thoughts are:
1) Tearing and/or Repaint delay was never a major problem with XP
2) The absence of tearing/repaint delay is not a 'major' benefit of Vista
3) There are fairly simple solutions to the problem
The problem we keep getting back to is the difficulty in determining those
ten significant reasons to upgrade from XP to Vista. I think it was Lang who
put the switch from GDI to the GPU as his #1 point on his list and that's
what kicked off my participation in this thread, and I'm still unclear as to
what benefits we have gained from the change.
This is a kind of problem with xp you might not notice was fixed in Vista
until someone pointed it out to you. I find the fact that you don't care
they fixed and updated something interesting though...
I agree it's good to fix things (service packs are nice). My thoughts are:
1) Tearing and/or Repaint delay was never a major problem with XP
2) The absence of tearing/repaint delay is not a 'major' benefit of Vista
3) There are fairly simple solutions to the problem
The problem we keep getting back to is the difficulty in determining those
ten significant reasons to upgrade from XP to Vista. I think it was Lang who
put the switch from GDI to the GPU as his #1 point on his list and that's
what kicked off my participation in this thread, and I'm still unclear as to
what benefits we have gained from the change.
J
Justin
The problem we keep getting back to is the difficulty in determining those
ten significant reasons to upgrade from XP to Vista. I think it was Lang
who
put the switch from GDI to the GPU as his #1 point on his list and that's
what kicked off my participation in this thread, and I'm still unclear as
to
what benefits we have gained from the change.
What do other peoples perspective on what benefits them have to do with your
opinions with Vista?
If someone wants to spend top dollar on a new machine ONLY to obtain Vista,
ONLY to get rid of tearing then what's it to you?
You keep trying to address individual problems (tearing) as a top ten list
to upgrade to vista. There are already plenty of threads regarding that
topic. Why don't you go read them?
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invader
If someone wants to spend top dollar on a new machine ONLY to obtain Vista,
I don't know why you're getting so upset over this. It's a reasonable
exercise: to come up with a top-10 list of reasons why a person should
upgrade from XP to Vista.
Sure, there might be someone out there who is horribly offended by the GDI
repaint delay. That person will want to buy Vista. Perhaps you are that
person. However, I don't think the repaint delay is at the top of the list
for the average consumer. In fact, I contend the average consumer will not
even notice it is gone.
Thus, I get back to my original point: What advantage is there of switching
from the GDI to a GPU-based solution? So far, we have (after an exhaustive
discussion) managed to come up with two reasons: the elimination of tearing
and repaint delay. I'll add a third: transparent borders (fairly useless
IMO). What else? Is that it? Has anyone proven the performance of the machine
is any better?
ONLY to get rid of tearing then what's it to you?
I don't know why you're getting so upset over this. It's a reasonable
exercise: to come up with a top-10 list of reasons why a person should
upgrade from XP to Vista.
Sure, there might be someone out there who is horribly offended by the GDI
repaint delay. That person will want to buy Vista. Perhaps you are that
person. However, I don't think the repaint delay is at the top of the list
for the average consumer. In fact, I contend the average consumer will not
even notice it is gone.
Thus, I get back to my original point: What advantage is there of switching
from the GDI to a GPU-based solution? So far, we have (after an exhaustive
discussion) managed to come up with two reasons: the elimination of tearing
and repaint delay. I'll add a third: transparent borders (fairly useless
IMO). What else? Is that it? Has anyone proven the performance of the machine
is any better?
J
Justin
I don't know why you're getting so upset over this. It's a reasonable
exercise: to come up with a top-10 list of reasons why a person should
upgrade from XP to Vista.
Who's upset? I stated that conversation has already taken place. If you
would like to search the NG you'll find more then one topic on that.
Thus, I get back to my original point: What advantage is there of
switching
from the GDI to a GPU-based solution? So far, we have (after an exhaustive
discussion) managed to come up with two reasons: the elimination of
tearing
and repaint delay. I'll add a third: transparent borders (fairly useless
IMO). What else? Is that it? Has anyone proven the performance of the
machine
is any better?
That's about it for me. That's all I care about. Plus it looks cool.
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Adam Albright
What do other peoples perspective on what benefits them have to do with your
opinions with Vista?
If someone wants to spend top dollar on a new machine ONLY to obtain Vista,
ONLY to get rid of tearing then what's it to you?
You keep trying to address individual problems (tearing) as a top ten list
to upgrade to vista. There are already plenty of threads regarding that
topic. Why don't you go read them?
Your endless self-righteous whining serves no purpose other than to
entertain us. You seem to think you get to decide who does what and
why. Why don't you instead calm down and actually try to help somebody
instead of attempting to prove you know something you obviously don't.
You give new meaning to the term net nanny. People are upgrading to
Vista or not... for all kinds of reasons. Why does it matter to you?
D
DevilsPGD
I don't know why you're getting so upset over this. It's a reasonable
exercise: to come up with a top-10 list of reasons why a person should
upgrade from XP to Vista.
Sure, there might be someone out there who is horribly offended by the GDI
repaint delay. That person will want to buy Vista. Perhaps you are that
person. However, I don't think the repaint delay is at the top of the list
for the average consumer. In fact, I contend the average consumer will not
even notice it is gone.
My mom definitely will, and I think she's probably in the "average
consumer" definition most of the time (although she'll notice because of
a specific app that is slow at repainting that drives her nuts)
Thus, I get back to my original point: What advantage is there of switching
from the GDI to a GPU-based solution? So far, we have (after an exhaustive
discussion) managed to come up with two reasons: the elimination of tearing
and repaint delay. I'll add a third: transparent borders (fairly useless
IMO). What else? Is that it? Has anyone proven the performance of the machine
is any better?
Proven? No -- However, it is perceptibly faster on my system. It's
nice to put that extra GB of RAM and combined 1.8GHz of CPU to work
doing something useful while I'm in Windows...
J
Jeffrey S. Sparks
A lot of these things you bring up can be/are perceptive. What may be a big
deal to me is obviously not to you. It SOUNDS like you are trying to find a
reason NOT to buy Vista. (Not sure, just what it sounds like)
The repaint/tearing update is something that should have been fixed.
Whether or not you missed it or not is unimportant. Fact: There was no
reason NOT to fix it.
Performance. There are so many different machines out there with so many
configurations I would bet you could find some where XP would run better and
some where Vista would run better.
If you haven't upgraded and you are worried about upgrading then here is not
the place to go. Go to a computer store and play with a computer that has
vista with aero running. Try out all the features and see if you like it
better.
Jeff
deal to me is obviously not to you. It SOUNDS like you are trying to find a
reason NOT to buy Vista. (Not sure, just what it sounds like)
The repaint/tearing update is something that should have been fixed.
Whether or not you missed it or not is unimportant. Fact: There was no
reason NOT to fix it.
Performance. There are so many different machines out there with so many
configurations I would bet you could find some where XP would run better and
some where Vista would run better.
If you haven't upgraded and you are worried about upgrading then here is not
the place to go. Go to a computer store and play with a computer that has
vista with aero running. Try out all the features and see if you like it
better.
Jeff
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invader
A lot of these things you bring up can be/are perceptive. What may be a
big
I already bought it, and I already upgraded to it, so that bridge has been
crossed. What I'm still trying to figure out is what benefit I have gained
from doing so. I've been using it for about three weeks now, and I can't
think of one significant way that it's made my life any easier. I can think
of numerous ways that it's made my life more difficult (mostly with UAC and
legacy program compability issues). I have friends and relatives (and even
customers) that ask my advice -- If I've missed something that is truely
important about this OS upgrade then I want to know about it, so I can keep
them properly informed.
I agree the repaint issue was worthy of improving. For me however, it doesn't
even rise to the level of a minor bullet item on my list of important
contributions that Vista makes.
Furthermore, I'm curious about Microsoft's reasons for switching from the GDI
to the DWM/GPU. Clearly there have to be more reasons than to eliminate
repaint delay and to allow transparency effects. It must have taken a huge
investment in man-hours to do this as the GDI was one of the key components
of the Windows OS. They must have bigger plans than what I've seen so far.
big
deal to me is obviously not to you. It SOUNDS like you are trying to find a
reason NOT to buy Vista. (Not sure, just what it sounds like)
I already bought it, and I already upgraded to it, so that bridge has been
crossed. What I'm still trying to figure out is what benefit I have gained
from doing so. I've been using it for about three weeks now, and I can't
think of one significant way that it's made my life any easier. I can think
of numerous ways that it's made my life more difficult (mostly with UAC and
legacy program compability issues). I have friends and relatives (and even
customers) that ask my advice -- If I've missed something that is truely
important about this OS upgrade then I want to know about it, so I can keep
them properly informed.
I agree the repaint issue was worthy of improving. For me however, it doesn't
even rise to the level of a minor bullet item on my list of important
contributions that Vista makes.
Furthermore, I'm curious about Microsoft's reasons for switching from the GDI
to the DWM/GPU. Clearly there have to be more reasons than to eliminate
repaint delay and to allow transparency effects. It must have taken a huge
investment in man-hours to do this as the GDI was one of the key components
of the Windows OS. They must have bigger plans than what I've seen so far.