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I'm interested in setting up a P4C800-E system and am curious about RAID and
dual boot. How would I go about setting up the system to dual boot between
Win98se and WinXPPro. I currently have such a setup on my old PIII but am
looking at upgrading and don't know squat about RAID except the difference
between mirroring and striping. Is anyone aware of any links to any
tutorials or how-to's that might help me?

Thanks much,
Rich
 
Raid is simple, just let it default with stripe or specify mirror!
98se is not reccomended on that mobo!
Download the manual! There's a raid manual also!
I am not sure that XP is not showing some problems as hardware
progresses so fast!
Google
 
I want to keep W98SE available in order to run some of my older favorite
games. Are you saying that W98 and this mobo don't get along? Not even
without RAID?

Thanks,
Rich


BoB said:
Raid is simple, just let it default with stripe or specify mirror!
98se is not reccomended on that mobo!
Download the manual! There's a raid manual also!
I am not sure that XP is not showing some problems as hardware
progresses so fast!
Google
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I'm downloading the manual now. I don't see a RAID manual though. Just a
quick installation guide that's put together for non-english speaking
persons.


BoB said:
Raid is simple, just let it default with stripe or specify mirror!
98se is not reccomended on that mobo!
Download the manual! There's a raid manual also!
I am not sure that XP is not showing some problems as hardware
progresses so fast!
Google
Click to expand...
 
Rich said:
I want to keep W98SE available in order to run some of my older favorite
games. Are you saying that W98 and this mobo don't get along? Not even
without RAID?

Thanks,
Rich
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It is not the fact that Windows 98 will not run on this P4C-800E motherboard
but it is a waste of such a good motherboard. Windows 98 is obsolete. It can
not take advantage of 400 MHz DDR and a hyperthreading CPU as would
Windows XP and Windows 2000. Nor would Windows 98 be adaptable
to USB 2.0 but which is supported by Windows 2000-SP4 or Windows XP.
There are other features of the i875 chipset that Windows 98 will not be able
to use, e.g., native mode P-ATA and S-ATA.
 
I understand that. I primarily use WinXPPro for 90% of what I do. I just
want to keep Win98 around so that I can play some of my older games that
will not run on WinXP. That's the only reason I use Win98 anymore anyway.
I also understand that SATA wouldn't work under Win98 either. I was hoping
to setup Win98 on an IDE hard drive and set WinXP up on either a PATA or
SATA RAID setup. I just don't know how to do so or if it can even be done.

Rich
 
XP best overlooked feature is the compatibility cheater! When I learned to
use it, I got rd of dual boots over a year ago, the proof of the pudding was
the gane "9"! W98se would never run it, the SOB's that wrote it, never put
out a patch for 98! It runs fine with XP and compatibility cheater!
The only reason I see to keep 98 and waste the space is technical support
for a dying OS!
 
All right, let me know how to get X-Wing, TIE Fighter and X-Wing vs. TIE
Fighter working under WindowsXP and I'll drop 98 in a heartbeat.

Rich
 
Simple, right click, properties, compatibility.
Try the installed program first!
To be safe, I install from compatibility mode!
Like I said it's the best kept secret about Xp!
And it's best feature(for those who want to use old apps)!
 
I agree with the others - get rid of 98 if you can, but to do so you may
find it easiest with a dual boot for a short time.

1. Backup the 98 disc.
2. Put it in the new machine as Master on IDE 1
3. Follow the instructions / comments elsewhere in this news group on
getting 98 to run. on a new mobo.
there is a thread a few above this on this very topic.
4. When 98 is up and running and stable, proceed....
5. Acquire & install your PATA or SATA raid discs.
6. Configure as RAID 0 or 1 to meet your needs.
If using RAID 0, be aware that you have a considerably higher
probability of a disc failure since if either disc fails, the RAID disc
fails...
Some say RAID 1 is the same, but this is true only in the case of a
controller or massive OS error (overclocking could corrupt discs).

7. The ICH5(R) will not be accessible as a RAID device for SATA from 98...
You seem to be aware of this.

8. Make sure you have the RAID drviers on floppy at hand for F6 install
This is as per the manual.
9. Install XP onto the RAID ready discs with the drivers.
This will configure dual boot under Win98.
10. Migrate apps......
time passes bye...
11. Test out booting directly off your RAID XP installation.
12. FDISK 98 disc after all games are migrated...


- tim




Rich said:
I'm downloading the manual now. I don't see a RAID manual though. Just a
quick installation guide that's put together for non-english speaking
persons.


BoB said:
Raid is simple, just let it default with stripe or specify mirror!
98se is not reccomended on that mobo!
Download the manual! There's a raid manual also!
I am not sure that XP is not showing some problems as hardware
progresses so fast!
Google
RAID
and
Click to expand...
but
Click to expand...
 
There is another reason for keeping dual boot around, and that is that
if you have a serious problem with XP -- and if the partition is FAT32
-- you can always boot from 98 and "get into" the XP partition.

And yet another reason, you can do things under 98 that you can't do
under XP, becuase of the "security". Also, I had to "wipe" a disk drive
that was being sold recently. I have Norton SystemWorks 2003 installed
under both XP and 98. However, under 98, there are options that don't
exist under XP. For example, 98's speedisk has an option to "wipe blank
space", this same option is not present under XP, even though it's the
same package (Norton SystemWorks 2003). In fact, there are a LOT of
options that are "missing" under XP that are present under 98.

So I'm still setting up systems with dual boot, allowing 1 to 4 gigs for
98 and 16 gigs for XP, the rest of the drive for data partitions (I keep
all data for both OS' in separate partitions (E:\, mostly), and I've
gone to a LOT of trouble to have all software that is installed in both
OS' access the exact same data so that the data itself is never
duplicated, including my E-Mail, "My Documents" folder, etc.).
 
Barry,

OT: Don't forget that you can boot off the XP CD and that there is the
recovery console. Also that there are Repair installs, and there are no
substitutes for good backups.
These facilities remove the need for alternate boots to what are effectively
alien OS on systems for "recovery" reason. You can't write to the W2K / XP
registry or write to NTFS under 98 - even though there may be drivers to
give write access to NTFS (I haven't come across one, only read only
drivers), if you had to write toNTFS in this scenario, you really should
consider the disc lost and do a restore.

I have to say that I have found servers with various oddities on - hidden
vendor partitions with DOS (that screw up FDISK and CHKDSK) , DOS 6.x on
Windows 2000 systems with FAT Boot partitions, and numerous other
confugrations which at the end of the day actually weaken the installation -
because they have DOS / Win98 & FAT 32 (or 16). It is sometimes so bad, that
there are hidden / system DOS folders still lurking on W2K servers inside
NTFS drives! Ok, so they are benign, but..... isn't it time to let go? Sure
DOS goes well on a 3GHz system with 1GB RAM, but edit has been superceeded
by notepad! (this is my sense of humour raring up..... :)


All XP systems really must have system partitions that are NTFS - otherwise
if instability occurs for whatever reason you get lost chunks of disc space.

I am encouraging you to consider these points and not include FAT32 / Win98
on Win2003 / XP systems and invest some time in learning how best to use the
recovery console.

I do agree about wiping discs...


- Tim
 
NTFS drives! Ok, so they are benign, but..... isn't it time to let go?
Sure
DOS goes well on a 3GHz system with 1GB RAM, but edit has been superceeded
by notepad! (this is my sense of humour raring up..... :)
Click to expand...

Say what you will about windows or dos
however
leave edit out of this okay...
I cant remember if the "binary" switch was started in 95 or 98 but that's
one of the GREATEST things that microsoft has ever done ;)
Lets also remember that "Notepad" or "Write" could be used as security hacks
with 3.11 and even 95..

Dont slam the edit!
 
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